Cold Pizza- Delgado a Met

[RynoRules]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

and now they're paying more for him than they offered at the time. it's hilarioius. i'm sorry, but OM is a moran! a moran with a lot of cash, but still a moran.

 

If I were a Mets fan i'd be pissed. Talk about no game plan...

I don't know about that. If Reyes ever learns to draw a walk, that team will have a pretty good offense, though Shea will mask that fact to some extent. A Beltran-Wright-Floyd-Delgado core is pretty darned good. If Reyes can start to get on base at a .350 clip in front of them...oh, boy.

 

Agreed. I don't see how you can be upset about this as a Mets fan. Money isn't an objec there like it is everywhere else. Who cares how they got Delgado, the point is that they have him, will have Wagner by next week, and have a solid rotation. Looks pretty good to me.

 

EDIT: And, BTW, the money they used o pay to Piazza (I think 17 mill/ yr.) now goes to Carlos. Sounds like a good trade to me.

Edited November 23, 2005 by RynoRules

[Tim]

The 2 guys were Petit the pitcher and a 1B who is expected to immediately replace Delgado. Deal pending physical and approval from the Budmeister.

 

Petit is going to be very good. Is the 1st baseman Brazille?

 

Here me now and believe me later, the Las Vegas Gamblers are going to be very, very good.

I think Petit's going to be one of those pitchers who have tremendous minor league numbers that becomes a 4th starter in the bigs.

 

Control issues?

Control pitcher. The stuff just isn't overwhelming according to any report I've ever read on him.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The 2 guys were Petit the pitcher and a 1B who is expected to immediately replace Delgado. Deal pending physical and approval from the Budmeister.

 

Petit is going to be very good. Is the 1st baseman Brazille?

 

Here me now and believe me later, the Las Vegas Gamblers are going to be very, very good.

I think Petit's going to be one of those pitchers who have tremendous minor league numbers that becomes a 4th starter in the bigs.

 

Control issues?

Control pitcher. The stuff just isn't overwhelming according to any report I've ever read on him.

 

his K/BB ratio and WHIP are ridiculous. his K/9 is great too. a simple "control pitcher" doesn't put up those numbers. there's more to it than velocity, although his fastball is reportedly fairly straight. hitters say it seems like he throws way over 90, when he rarely does. location doesn't do that.

 

edit: i'm not saying he doesn't have great control, but his stuff is pretty good as well. i guess we'll see if he can take it to a higher level. a lot of scouts doubt that he can.

Edited November 23, 2005 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[E.J.]

Any way the Mets now try and flip Delgado to the Red Sox for Manny?

[CubinNY]

Any way the Mets now try and flip Delgado to the Red Sox for Manny?

 

No. That is who he is saving Lastings for.

 

At one time I thought Manny to the Mets was a sure thing. Now I'm not as confident. But I still think it is a good bet.

[erik316wttn]

I concur with those who say the Cubs have GOT to jump into the thick of this. Now is the time for players like Pierre and Castillo to be had.

 

If Hendry doesn't inquire, he's the biggest idiot there ever was.

[HoopsCubs]

Sounds like a done deal according to Jon Heyman of Newsday.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets112405,0,3173460.story?coll=ny-homepage-bigpix2005

 

 

"The Mets have agreed to send righthanded pitching prospect Yusmeiro Petit and young first baseman Mike Jacobs to the Marlins for Delgado, according to someone familiar with the deal. As part of the deal, the Marlins will send $7 million back to the Mets to cover part of the $48 million remaining on Delgado's contract."

[goonys evil twin]

If Reyes ever learns to draw a walk, that team will have a pretty good offense, though Shea will mask that fact to some extent. A Beltran-Wright-Floyd-Delgado core is pretty darned good. If Reyes can start to get on base at a .350 clip in front of them...oh, boy.

 

That is an enormously large if. Reyes walks less frequently than Patterson. He's a sketchy leadoff option, and wasn't much better than Matsui last year, outside the stolen base category. If Dusty was batting him there we'd be going nuts. If they keep spending more and more, I could see the offense improving, which it must when you add Delgado. But they could just as easily end up trading Floyd and then they become Beltran, Wright, Delgado and nobody else.

 

Plus, their pitching staff is far from set. They have Pedro, who is great, but probably due for another sub 200 inning seasons soon. But there isn't a whole lot more to rely on out there. Seo is a 29 year old flyball pitcher who doesn't strike people out and the Mets have never shown much faith in him to be a regular. Glavine is okay, but really old and near the end of his line. Nobody else in the rotation can be passed off as good.

 

I still see a team that's just trying to throw money at everything.

[Jehrico]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

and now they're paying more for him than they offered at the time. it's hilarioius. i'm sorry, but OM is a moran! a moran with a lot of cash, but still a moran.

 

Or maybe Delgado wasn't that interested in playing in NY last year...

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

and now they're paying more for him than they offered at the time. it's hilarioius. i'm sorry, but OM is a moran! a moran with a lot of cash, but still a moran.

 

Or maybe Delgado wasn't that interested in playing in NY last year...

 

that's even worse. now you have a player who doesn't want to be there.

[Jehrico]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

IIRC, Delgado had no interest in playing for the Mets. Delgado showed no interest in wanting to be traded this year either. Should be interesting to see how this plays off. Could he cause some problems in that clubhouse?

posted before I saw this. I wonder if he'll demand a trade next year, wouldn't surprise me. I know I'd be pi$$ed off if I signed a multiyear deal with a team just to get traded a year into it to a team without a clue that I had absolutely no interest in playing for in the first place. Mets could end up with a one year rental when it's all said and done.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

IIRC, Delgado had no interest in playing for the Mets. Delgado showed no interest in wanting to be traded this year either. Should be interesting to see how this plays off. Could he cause some problems in that clubhouse?

posted before I saw this. I wonder if he'll demand a trade next year, wouldn't surprise me. I know I'd be pi$$ed off if I signed a multiyear deal with a team just to get traded a year into it to a team without a clue that I had absolutely no interest in playing for in the first place. Mets could end up with a one year rental when it's all said and done.

 

after trading away top prospects to get him. he's a steve phillips clone, that Omar Minaya.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

With Petit and Anabel Sanchez, the Marlins should have a decent young rotation anchored by Dontrelle in about 2-3 years. If they can get back on some sound financial footing, these deals may not end up all that bad. They have gotten some top prospects so far.

 

I wouldn't hold out hope getting Castillo or Pierre on the cheap. It looks like the Fish have decided if they're going through this fire sale, they want top minor league talent in return.

[Tim]

Why didn't the Mets just sign Delgado last season?

 

IIRC, Delgado had no interest in playing for the Mets. Delgado showed no interest in wanting to be traded this year either. Should be interesting to see how this plays off. Could he cause some problems in that clubhouse?

posted before I saw this. I wonder if he'll demand a trade next year, wouldn't surprise me. I know I'd be pi$$ed off if I signed a multiyear deal with a team just to get traded a year into it to a team without a clue that I had absolutely no interest in playing for in the first place. Mets could end up with a one year rental when it's all said and done.

 

after trading away top prospects to get him. he's a steve phillips clone, that Omar Minaya.

Well, they'll end up with a year of Delgado, plus whatever players they can trade him for after he demands a trade. And it is possible that Delgado ends up liking Randolph and wants to stay there.

 

It's just costing them a pitcher who many scouts consider to be overrated and a hitter who either blossomed upon reaching the majors in 2005 or played over his head for a short stretch of time to pump up his value.

 

I think this is a far worse trade for the Marlins than the Beckett trade, actually. In my mind, Sanchez > Petit and Hanley > Jacobs. Plus they got Boston to take all of Lowell's salary in the trade. And Delgado on offense is superior to Beckett on the mound (with Beckett's injury concerns balancing out his age advantage).

 

Personally, I think the Mets got a steal here.

[JeffH]

Personally, I think the Mets got a steal here.

 

Agreed. Marlins made out much better on the Beckett/Lowell deal.

[kylescubs23]

Minaya helped build the Indians into the team they are now with the prospects he traded them (Sizemore, Lee, etc.)

[rawaction]

Petit's gonna be good, especially in Florida. But I think Florida could have gotten more in both cases. I still like the Texas trade better than the Boston deal for Beckett.

 

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

[CubfaninCA]

Could NY go w/ Diaz, Beltran & Nady in the OF and look to trade Floyd?? They've never been thrilled w/ Floyd and could address their obp problem. Perhaps Walker and J. Williams for Floyd??

[goonys evil twin]

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

 

With Lowell, Delgado, Beckett and Burnett all gone, what motivation do they have to trade Pierre or Castillo? The payroll can't be more than $25m right now. They aren't strapped with those guys. They probably don't feel like they have to dump either.

[Jehrico]

Petit's gonna be good, especially in Florida. But I think Florida could have gotten more in both cases. I still like the Texas trade better than the Boston deal for Beckett.

 

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

 

I don't know if rebuilding is even the word, as it doesn't sound like they're willing to put a little extra money in the team in the next 5 years if these prospects do pan out to put them over the top. If they're going to hold the budget down until they move to another stadium, I wouldn't call what they're doing rebuilding. They're going young and they're probably going to stay young for awhile, they may not keep all these guys around for a title shot as they start to mature and make a little more money.

[goonys evil twin]

Petit's gonna be good, especially in Florida. But I think Florida could have gotten more in both cases. I still like the Texas trade better than the Boston deal for Beckett.

 

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

 

I don't know if rebuilding is even the word, as it doesn't sound like they're willing to put a little extra money in the team in the next 5 years if these prospects do pan out to put them over the top. If they're going to hold the budget down until they move to another stadium, I wouldn't call what they're doing rebuilding. They're going young and they're probably going to stay young for awhile, they may not keep all these guys around for a title shot as they start to mature and make a little more money.

 

The same thing was said after 1997. They said their payroll will reflect their revenue. If revenues go up, they can expand payroll.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

 

With Lowell, Delgado, Beckett and Burnett all gone, what motivation do they have to trade Pierre or Castillo? The payroll can't be more than $25m right now. They aren't strapped with those guys. They probably don't feel like they have to dump either.

 

I think they'd be willing to move them, but now that they are no longer payroll strapped, they can hold out for better deals.

 

They will not "give" away Castillo or Pierre. If a team wants one or the other, they will pay with premium minor league talent.

[RynoRules]

Petit's gonna be good, especially in Florida. But I think Florida could have gotten more in both cases. I still like the Texas trade better than the Boston deal for Beckett.

 

I can't really see guys like Pierre, Castillo, and LoDuca being happy there. Rebuilding when they are 2 years removed from a championship.

 

I don't know if rebuilding is even the word, as it doesn't sound like they're willing to put a little extra money in the team in the next 5 years if these prospects do pan out to put them over the top. If they're going to hold the budget down until they move to another stadium, I wouldn't call what they're doing rebuilding. They're going young and they're probably going to stay young for awhile, they may not keep all these guys around for a title shot as they start to mature and make a little more money.

 

I don't think its fair to make that assessment until we see where thy end up in 08'. And I don't blame Loria one bit for wanting to jump to Vegas, or Portland or wherever. They've won two tiles in thelast 8 seasons and have been in the thick of things in two other years, and yet the only team with worse attendance is/was the Expos. Pathetic.

[CubfaninCA]

Can still see Pierre being dealt. $6 million or so is a little much for a small market team. The Florida franchises are pathetic. Just move the Marlins & D Ray to Southern Cal or New York.

[RynoRules]

Can still see Pierre being dealt. $6 million or so is a little much for a small market team. The Florida franchises are pathetic. Just move the Marlins & D Ray to Southern Cal or New York.

 

I'd love to see a return of the Brooklyn franchise. Of course, Big Stein would just assume lop off the potruding parts of his body before he'd allow that to happen.