Howry signs with Cubs (yes, it's official)

[treebird]

if hendry goes out and gets abreu/giles/dunn for the of, i guess i can't complain about this middle relief splurge. but if he starts talking penny pinching and jacque jones is the rf in 2006...

 

we will all have to commit suicide on hendry's doorstep

 

i know i will at least

 

I'm with you. Where does he live?

 

i dunno but if i dont found out soon ill kill myself

[imb]

RIGHT ON THE DOORSTEP

[Peoriaman]

Nice signing. Anything to help the worst bullpen in the National League. There is nothing more demoralizing to a team that having a bullpen that can't hold a lead or keep you in the game. Hendry got the job done here.

[Diffusion]

Nice signing. Anything to help the worst bullpen in the National League.

 

How does Howry signing with the Cubs help the bullpen of the Arizona Diamondbacks?

 

2005 NL Bullpen ERA

Cardinals, 3.17

Padres, 3.49

Nationals, 3.55

Astros, 3.63

Mets, 3.86

Brewers, 3.87

Giants, 3.98

Pirates, 4.06

Phillies, 4.24

Cubs, 4.24

Dodgers, 4.42

Braves, 4.74

Reds, 4.75

Rockies, 4.80

Marlins, 4.85

Diamondbacks, 5.40

[Careless]

There's sure to be lavish thanksgiving feasts in the houses of eyre and howry tonight!

[Peoriaman]

The Cubs' bullpen was worst in walks, home runs allowed and winning percentage.

 

The ERA was 4.24 and the pitchers blew 19 of 58 save opportunities.

 

Worst in my book!

[CubinNY]

The Cubs' bullpen was worst in walks, home runs allowed and winning percentage.

 

The ERA was 4.24 and the pitchers blew 19 of 58 save opportunities.

 

Worst in my book!

 

winning %? You should stop reading Van [expletive].

 

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

And one more thing, it is an upgrade on paper only. This entire plan may well blow up in his face. Relivers not named Gagne and Wagner are a fickle lot. If that happens, then we will have a new GM to kick around.

[RynoRules]

The Cubs' bullpen was worst in walks, home runs allowed and winning percentage.

 

The ERA was 4.24 and the pitchers blew 19 of 58 save opportunities.

 

Worst in my book!

 

winning %? You should stop reading Van [expletive].

 

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

And one more thing, it is an upgrade on paper only. This entire plan may well blow up in his face. Relivers not named Gagne and Wagner are a fickle lot. If that happens, then we will have a new GM to kick around.

 

Nothing ventured...

[TrueBlueCubFan]

 

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

[Diffusion]

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

 

The fact that they've already signed, it not even being December, hints at as much.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

 

The fact that they've already signed, it not even being December, hints at as much.

 

You statement sounds very speculative to me.

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that neither Eyre or Howry have negotiated/talks with other teams?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

 

The fact that they've already signed, it not even being December, hints at as much.

 

You statement sounds very speculative to me.

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that neither Eyre or Howry have negotiated/talks with other teams?

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that Eyre or Howry were had for below market value or even fair market value? It goes both ways.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

 

The fact that they've already signed, it not even being December, hints at as much.

 

You statement sounds very speculative to me.

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that neither Eyre or Howry have negotiated/talks with other teams?

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that Eyre or Howry were had for below market value or even fair market value? It goes both ways.

 

Were did I ever state that Eyre & Howry were had @ below market value?

Answer: I didn't, so please do not put words in my mouth.

 

IIRC, I did read an article stating Eyre had discussions with Torre & the Yankees were very interested in him. I will try & locate that article.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I'm glad Hendry is upgrading a weakness, I wish he wouldn't overspend to do it.

 

It's easy to say that, but can you come up with the alternative to Eyre/Howry production via trade or other FA signing?

 

How do you know that wasn't market value for Eyre/Howry?

 

The fact that they've already signed, it not even being December, hints at as much.

 

You statement sounds very speculative to me.

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that neither Eyre or Howry have negotiated/talks with other teams?

 

Do you have 1st hand knowledge that Eyre or Howry were had for below market value or even fair market value? It goes both ways.

 

Were did I ever state that Eyre & Howry were had @ below market value?

Answer: I didn't, so please do not put words in my mouth.

 

IIRC, I did read an article stating Eyre had discussions with Torre & the Yankees were very interested in him. I will try & locate that article.

 

Don't get so touchy. I never quoted you as saying anything. I actually gave you more room to prove your point by pointing out another possibility for Howry/Eyre to not be paid over market value. I was trying to say that there isn't concrete info either way, so dismissing someone's argument b/c it is "speculative" isn't valid in this case.

[NCCubFan]

And one more thing, it is an upgrade on paper only. This entire plan may well blow up in his face. Relivers not named Gagne and Wagner are a fickle lot. If that happens, then we will have a new GM to kick around.

And even relievers who ARE named Gagne and Wagner can ruin teams' seasons by getting injured.

 

Definitely a valid point. We were expecting big things from Remlinger and Hawkins based on their recent performance right before signing with the Cubs, and neither delivered as expected. There's no assurance that either Eyre or Howry will produce as we hope. Still, the POTENTIAL for a much improved bullpen is there (although with what we're paying them, I'd want more than just the potential).

[CUBZ99]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I actually gave you more room to prove your point by pointing out another possibility for Howry/Eyre to not be paid over market value. I was trying to say that there isn't concrete info either way, so dismissing someone's argument b/c it is "speculative" isn't valid in this case.

 

There is concrete evidence of their market value - it's what Hendery just paid them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

[USSoccer]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

 

What about Williams?

[rawaction]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

 

What about Williams?

 

He'll be the 4th starter when Wood starts the season on the DL. Then he will stay there when Wood returns, because Prior will be out after a line drive will bounce off of Marcus Giles head and hit him in the pitching hand as he's running to 2nd base, breaking 3 fingers.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

 

What about Williams?

 

I'm almost certain Williams will be traded, and I could see him going for a lesser option like Mench.

[USSoccer]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

 

What about Williams?

 

He'll be the 4th starter when Wood starts the season on the DL. Then he will stay there when Wood returns, because Prior will be out after a line drive will bounce off of Marcus Giles head and hit him in the pitching hand as he's running to 2nd base, breaking 3 fingers.

 

resulting in fans everywhere calling him injury prone. :P

[USSoccer]

So where do these two signings leave Rich Hill? Everything reported so far states that he is not available via trade. The bullpen is full and with the Eyre signing it appears that Rusch will be the #5 starter. Does Hendry view Hill as a guy that will get a chance to win a starting job out of spring training? Its not like Hill didn't completely dominate in AAA already.

 

Unless Hill is moved for a big bat ( Dunn, Abreu) I figure he'll compete with Rusch for the fifth starter's role in ST and then be shipped to AAA to wait for another opportunity.

 

What about Williams?

 

I'm almost certain Williams will be traded, and I could see him going for a lesser option like Mench.

 

That would be a big waste of a resource. I hope it doesn't come to that.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I actually gave you more room to prove your point by pointing out another possibility for Howry/Eyre to not be paid over market value. I was trying to say that there isn't concrete info either way, so dismissing someone's argument b/c it is "speculative" isn't valid in this case.

 

There is concrete evidence of their market value - it's what Hendery just paid them.

 

That would be true if it was an efficient market, which it is not.

 

How do I know it isn't efficient? If it was, records would directly reflect payroll.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I actually gave you more room to prove your point by pointing out another possibility for Howry/Eyre to not be paid over market value. I was trying to say that there isn't concrete info either way, so dismissing someone's argument b/c it is "speculative" isn't valid in this case.

 

There is concrete evidence of their market value - it's what Hendery just paid them.

 

That would be true if it was an efficient market, which it is not.

 

How do I know it isn't efficient? If it was, records would directly reflect payroll.

 

 

A contract’s value changes over its lifetime due to player performance and market conditions. As more information (i.e. player performance and market changes) emerges the contract value adjusts accordingly. Meaning what Hendry paid for Howry/Eyre is their current value. I’m not saying the market is completely efficient but it’s prolly more so then you think.