40 man additions

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Who thinks that Dope isn't protected were it not for Sisco last year? I don't like the decision to roster Dope at first glance. I'd much rather have kept Fontenot around.

[JeffH]

Greenberg was "designated for assignment" and the other guys were "outrighted".

 

How does that work?

 

It would seem that the process would be the same, up to a point.

 

Put all the guys on revocable waivers.

 

MF, RL, and RR pass through. They, therefore, are "outrighted" to Iowa.

 

Somebody claims AG. Cubs can't pull him back right now - no room at the inn. So, he winds up "designated for assignment". This gives the Cubs a chance to see if they can work out a trade involving him or make room on the roster so they can pull him back.

 

1) If anybody knows, is that right?

 

2) If you don't know, does it sound right?

[JeffH]

I could see Fontenot and Greenberg being selected.

 

Zero chance Fontenot is taken in the Rule 5 draft.

[sethuel1]

Greenberg was "designated for assignment" and the other guys were "outrighted".

 

How does that work?

 

It would seem that the process would be the same, up to a point.

 

Put all the guys on revocable waivers.

 

MF, RL, and RR pass through. They, therefore, are "outrighted" to Iowa.

 

Somebody claims AG. Cubs can't pull him back right now - no room at the inn. So, he winds up "designated for assignment". This gives the Cubs a chance to see if they can work out a trade involving him or make room on the roster so they can pull him back.

 

1) If anybody knows, is that right?

 

2) If you don't know, does it sound right?

 

I'm thinking they just don't have to assign him to a specific minor league roster right now, but have taken him off the 40 man, thus it's a DFA and they figure out where to put him later.

[JeffH]

I'm thinking they just don't have to assign him to a specific minor league roster right now, but have taken him off the 40 man, thus it's a DFA and they figure out where to put him later.

 

No, it wouldn't be that. They'd just put him at Iowa. Anywhere else and they'd be at risk of losing him in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft.

[sethuel1]

From a webpage about baseball rules:

A team can also designate a player for assignment. This method is used when a team needs to open a spot on the 40-man roster, but isn’t quite sure what to do with the player. A “DFA” player is taken off the 40-man roster immediately, but then sits in limbo for up to ten days, during which time the team can try to trade him. If the player isn’t traded, the team must release him or put him on waivers. If he clears waivers, he can be sent to the minor leagues (though again, if he has 5 years or more of MLB experience, he can declare free agency).

[Jehrico]

Greenberg was DA'd? That's terrible! Unless I'm not remembering how getting designated for assignment works. Somebody tell me we didn't just completely get rid of Greenberg.

 

Is that the "you have 10 days to trade him" move?

 

If another team picks him up, he has to stay on their 25 man roster the whole year (either that, or the DL). If he doesn't stick, he gets returned to us, and the team gets a little money out of the deal.

 

that's the rule 5 process, he was talking about designating for assignment, which is defined as removal from the 40 man roster without immediate assignment to a minor league roster.

 

But since he doesn't have the time, isn't he put into the rule 5 pool? He cant refuse the assignment, so I don't think there's anything particular with him being DFA'd. I could be wrong though.

 

The thing that pisses me off the most about this move is we used a 40 man roster spot on him, he did about how we expected last year, now we're dropping him when we could have used him last year to protect Sisco.

 

And Dopirak? Why is he protected? He's obviously not ready to stick on a roster. Sounds like Hendry is going to the opposite extreme after losing Sisco last year.

[Jehrico]

From a webpage about baseball rules:

A team can also designate a player for assignment. This method is used when a team needs to open a spot on the 40-man roster, but isn’t quite sure what to do with the player. A “DFA” player is taken off the 40-man roster immediately, but then sits in limbo for up to ten days, during which time the team can try to trade him. If the player isn’t traded, the team must release him or put him on waivers. If he clears waivers, he can be sent to the minor leagues (though again, if he has 5 years or more of MLB experience, he can declare free agency).

 

In that case, I guess we have to hope he clears waivers, then he's ours to keep. Otherwise...

 

I think he'll be bundled in a trade within the next week.

[WrigleyField 22]

Greenberg was DA'd? That's terrible! Unless I'm not remembering how getting designated for assignment works. Somebody tell me we didn't just completely get rid of Greenberg.

 

Is that the "you have 10 days to trade him" move?

 

If another team picks him up, he has to stay on their 25 man roster the whole year (either that, or the DL). If he doesn't stick, he gets returned to us, and the team gets a little money out of the deal.

 

that's the rule 5 process, he was talking about designating for assignment, which is defined as removal from the 40 man roster without immediate assignment to a minor league roster.

 

But since he doesn't have the time, isn't he put into the rule 5 pool? He cant refuse the assignment, so I don't think there's anything particular with him being DFA'd. I could be wrong though.

 

The thing that pisses me off the most about this move is we used a 40 man roster spot on him, he did about how we expected last year, now we're dropping him when we could have used him last year to protect Sisco.

 

And Dopirak? Why is he protected? He's obviously not ready to stick on a roster. Sounds like Hendry is going to the opposite extreme after losing Sisco last year.

 

IIRC he did not start last year on the 40 man, so his spot couldn't have been used for Sisco.

If you wanna argue someone else spot, yea you have a good point.

[WrigleyField 22]

Any notable players, besides Sing?Why didn't we protect him? He could easily find a spot on someones bench all year. Dopriak and Moore, not likely. Heck, he could have filled in on our bench if someone went down. :x

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I don't know the exact rules, but there are only 10-20 players taken in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft each year (only 12 last year). The minor league numbers are more like 60-80, but I believe Greenberg would not be eligible for the minor league portion since he has major league experience (and an OBP of 1.000).

 

Maybe JH is taking the gamble that he won't be in that 10-20.

 

Then again, maybe I'm wrong about all of the above... :)

[BigbadB]

I don't see why Greenburg wasn't even given a shot to win the 5th OF spot.

 

Couple questions:

 

Why is Soto still protected?

 

Also, who is Jose Reyes and why in the world would they protect him?

 

I can't answer the Reyes question as far as why they protected him, but if Soto is the only catcher on the 40 man roster outside of the 2 in Chicago, it would make sense to save that spot in the event Barrett or Blanco see any DL time.

[CUBZ99]

I don't see why Greenburg wasn't even given a shot to win the 5th OF spot.

 

Couple questions:

 

Why is Soto still protected?

 

Also, who is Jose Reyes and why in the world would they protect him?

 

I can't answer the Reyes question as far as why they protected him, but if Soto is the only catcher on the 40 man roster outside of the 2 in Chicago, it would make sense to save that spot in the event Barrett or Blanco see any DL time.

 

I thought Macias was the 3rd catcher? :lol:

[BigbadB]

I don't know the exact rules, but there are only 10-20 players taken in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft each year (only 12 last year). The minor league numbers are more like 60-80, but I believe Greenberg would not be eligible for the minor league portion since he has major league experience (and an OBP of 1.000).

 

Maybe JH is taking the gamble that he won't be in that 10-20.

 

Then again, maybe I'm wrong about all of the above... :)

 

The only problem with Hendry's theory on gambling with Greenberg is that CF is a position of great need for many teams. Whether any teams feel that Greenberg would be better than the guys who get juggled around the majors year after year are better than Greenberg at league minimum is not clear.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The only problem with Hendry's theory on gambling with Greenberg is that CF is a position of great need for many teams. Whether any teams feel that Greenberg would be better than the guys who get juggled around the majors year after year are better than Greenberg at league minimum is not clear.

 

I agree. Unless there's a deal pending with Greenberg involved, this one is a bit of a head scratcher.

[stitchface]

Do you honestly think a team looking for a CF is going to consider using Greenberg as their starter? They may pick him up, but I don't think those teams are going to consider that hole closed.

[BigbadB]

Do you honestly think a team looking for a CF is going to consider using Greenberg as their starter? They may pick him up, but I don't think those teams are going to consider that hole closed.

 

If you are asking me (you didn't specify who you were talking to), I never said anything about Greenberg starting.

 

If a team would rather have Greenberg on their roster than say someone like a Charles Gipson or a Ramon Nivar, the Cubs could lose Greenberg.

[Outshined_One]

Also, who is Jose Reyes and why in the world would they protect him?

 

Think Henry Blanco, only younger.

[otis89]

Sorry if this has been mentioned yet, but by my count there are now 41 players on the 40-man roster. :-k

 

David Aardsma

Ryan Dempster

Scotty Eyre

Angel Guzman

Rich Hill

John Koronka

Greg Maddux

Carlos Marmol

Sean Marshall

Sergio Mitre

Ricky Nolasco

Roberto Novoa

Will Ohman

Renyel Pinto

Mark Prior

Glendon Rusch

Jae Kuk Ryu

Jermaine Van Buren

Todd Wellemeyer

Jerome Williams

Scott Williamson

Kerry Wood

Michael Wuertz

Carlos Zambrano

 

24 pitchers

 

Michael Barrett

Henry Blanco

Jose Reyes

Geovany Soto

 

4 catchers

 

Ronny Cedeno

Brian Dopirak

Jerry Hairston

Derrek Lee

Jose Macias

Scott Moore

Neifi Perez

Aramis Ramirez

Ryan Theriot

Todd Walker

 

10 infielders

 

Matt Murton

Corey Patterson

Felix Pie

 

3 outfielders

 

24 + 10 + 4 + 3 = 41

 

Please let Jose Macias be the next casualty.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts? Z, CPat, Hairston, and Macias being arby eligible fixes the lack of spots if they don't.

[JeffH]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts?

 

Yes.

[frostwyrm]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts?

 

Yes.

 

The Baseball Prospectus article mentioned in another thread pointed out how dumb it was to dump Leicester just to retain Macias on the 40-man to offer him arby.

[stitchface]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts?

 

Yes.

 

Unfortunately yes. So keeping Macias will cost us a prospect. As will signing Neifi and Eyre prior to the Rule V draft. Was Hendry worried Neifi would sign elsewhere? Did he feel the need to lay out $11 million immediately for Eyre? These are some more examples why Jim Hendry is a bad GM.

[Illini Iceman]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts?

 

Yes.

 

Unfortunately yes. So keeping Macias will cost us a prospect. As will signing Neifi and Eyre prior to the Rule V draft. Was Hendry worried Neifi would sign elsewhere? Did he feel the need to lay out $11 million immediately for Eyre? These are some more examples why Jim Hendry is a bad GM.

 

If he signed Eyre after the Rule 5 draft he would have had to put someone through waivers to clear the spot and that is a bigger risk to losing a prospect than through Rule 5 since the team picking the player up only has to add them to the 40 man, not keep the player on the 25 man all season.

[Illini Iceman]

Do Arbitration eligible players count against the 40-man before they get their new contracts?

 

Yes.

 

The Baseball Prospectus article mentioned in another thread pointed out how dumb it was to dump Leicester just to retain Macias on the 40-man to offer him arby.

 

No way Leicester was going to make the 25 man roster and he is out of options so it would have been hasta la bye bye this spring anyway and at least Hendry got a PTBNL.