Furcal Sets Price at 50 million

[Tim]

I don't think we have to outbid the Dodgers...we just have to not get blown out of the water by them. 5/55 would easily trump 3/39. If I was committed enough to do 5/50, I think I would go the extra 1 per if I had to.

The tax differences between the states will help make up a certain amount of the gap, too.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Dave Kaplan on SportsCentral on WGN said he's learned the Dodgers have upped their bid to 12 million/3-4 years. Take it for what its worth.

[B]

I don't think we have to outbid the Dodgers...we just have to not get blown out of the water by them. 5/55 would easily trump 3/39. If I was committed enough to do 5/50, I think I would go the extra 1 per if I had to.

The tax differences between the states will help make up a certain amount of the gap, too.

 

Either someone has been reading cubs.com or vise versa.

[Tim]

I don't think we have to outbid the Dodgers...we just have to not get blown out of the water by them. 5/55 would easily trump 3/39. If I was committed enough to do 5/50, I think I would go the extra 1 per if I had to.

The tax differences between the states will help make up a certain amount of the gap, too.

 

Either someone has been reading cubs.com or vise versa.

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

[Wheelimus]

Is it possible the number includes potential incentives?

 

That would be a good way to go, 5 years 55 million, with an additional 1 or 2 million in incentives for, say, winning the MVP award (though i'm not sure if you can even do incentives on awards). He won't reach that but if he did, we wouldn't mind too much...

[badger1679666666]

Dave Kaplan on SportsCentral on WGN said he's learned the Dodgers have upped their bid to 12 million/3-4 years. Take it for what its worth.

 

What the hell are they thinking? Can we let em have him and trade for Lugo?

 

The entire Dodgers organization are Morans.

[Wheelimus]

Dave Kaplan on SportsCentral on WGN said he's learned the Dodgers have upped their bid to 12 million/3-4 years. Take it for what its worth.

 

What the hell are they thinking? Can we let em have him and trade for Lugo?

 

The entire Dodgers organization are Morans.

 

I'm of the mind that if we're going to trade for a position, our focus should NOT be at shortstop. Right field first, Center Field second, and then shortstop.

 

I'm not comfortable with trusting Center Field to Corey or Hairston unless we upgrade both short and right field. If we can't get Furcal, I want right field addressed quickly (big stick, Dunn/Abreu, that caliber), and if you don't get an All Star caliber player, then you better upgrade center field (Pierre in trade, or Lofton even as a rental).

 

If we don't land Furcal, we're perfectly fine having Ronny Cedeno as shortstop and Todd Walker at second base. So long as you upgrade right field, and if it isn't a huge impact, it's time to move on from Corey.

[mg420]

Dave Kaplan on SportsCentral on WGN said he's learned the Dodgers have upped their bid to 12 million/3-4 years. Take it for what its worth.

 

What the hell are they thinking? Can we let em have him and trade for Lugo?

 

The entire Dodgers organization are Morans.

 

I'm of the mind that if we're going to trade for a position, our focus should NOT be at shortstop. Right field first, Center Field second, and then shortstop.

 

I'm not comfortable with trusting Center Field to Corey or Hairston unless we upgrade both short and right field. If we can't get Furcal, I want right field addressed quickly (big stick, Dunn/Abreu, that caliber), and if you don't get an All Star caliber player, then you better upgrade center field (Pierre in trade, or Lofton even as a rental).

 

If we don't land Furcal, we're perfectly fine having Ronny Cedeno as shortstop and Todd Walker at second base. So long as you upgrade right field, and if it isn't a huge impact, it's time to move on from Corey.

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

 

gathright is pretty much worthless. yeah, i said it. worthless. pierre is a cut above him.

[B]

I don't think we have to outbid the Dodgers...we just have to not get blown out of the water by them. 5/55 would easily trump 3/39. If I was committed enough to do 5/50, I think I would go the extra 1 per if I had to.

The tax differences between the states will help make up a certain amount of the gap, too.

 

Either someone has been reading cubs.com or vise versa.

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

 

I try to avoid it too. (except when NSBB is down) I just happened to read that one thread there and someone said the same thing.

[mg420]

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

 

gathright is pretty much worthless. yeah, i said it. worthless. pierre is a cut above him.

 

of course since your opinions do not effect the cubs & hendry's decisions, i guess we'll have to wait and see what they think about getting at least one of them.

[Careless]

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

 

I try to avoid it too. (except when NSBB is down) I just happened to read that one thread there and someone said the same thing.

But tim avoids it to such a level that he created an entire website so he didn't have to go there.

[RynoRules]

I know that I am a Hendry supporter, but in light of recent events, I must quote Han Solo:

 

"I have a bad feeling about this."

[B]

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

 

I try to avoid it too. (except when NSBB is down) I just happened to read that one thread there and someone said the same thing.

But tim avoids it to such a level that he created an entire website so he didn't have to go there.

 

Obviously Tim has more resources available to him than I do. :)

[mg420]

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

 

gathright is pretty much worthless. yeah, i said it. worthless. pierre is a cut above him.

 

btw, this article seems to contradict your knowledgeable assement of gathright's baseball ability. i wont bother to post the one about pierre that does the same because it has already been done in another thread.

 

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2004/fab50/062204.12.html

[Tim]

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

 

I try to avoid it too. (except when NSBB is down) I just happened to read that one thread there and someone said the same thing.

But tim avoids it to such a level that he created an entire website so he didn't have to go there.

 

Obviously Tim has more resources available to him than I do. :)

The first iteration of the site cost me $100 for the year. Of course, I outgrew that location before the end of the year!

[Tim]

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

 

gathright is pretty much worthless. yeah, i said it. worthless. pierre is a cut above him.

 

btw, this article seems to contradict your knowledgeable assement of gathright's baseball ability. i wont bother to post the one about pierre that does the same because it has already been done in another thread.

 

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2004/fab50/062204.12.html

That is a very big overranking of Gathright and I bet even that site won't have him anywhere near that high going into 2006.

[B]

I avoid cubs.com like the plague. Did they say the same thing?

 

I try to avoid it too. (except when NSBB is down) I just happened to read that one thread there and someone said the same thing.

But tim avoids it to such a level that he created an entire website so he didn't have to go there.

 

Obviously Tim has more resources available to him than I do. :)

The first iteration of the site cost me $100 for the year. Of course, I outgrew that location before the end of the year!

 

My statement stands. :wink:

[BigbadB]

Unfortunately, there is no mention of his patience at the plate.

 

His major league stats are a pretty small sample size, and his walk rate is not good. That's too be expected.

 

Anybody know what his walk rate was during his minor league career?

 

Gathright reminds me a bit of Lofton. If he can take a pitch, he'll be a good major league lead off hitter for many years to come.

[Cubskmill30]

I don't think we have to outbid the Dodgers...we just have to not get blown out of the water by them. 5/55 would easily trump 3/39. If I was committed enough to do 5/50, I think I would go the extra 1 per if I had to.

The tax differences between the states will help make up a certain amount of the gap, too.

 

I don't think the tax differences will be that great. Both cities are some of the most taxed cities in the US, and I think Chicago may have higher taxes than LA. If taxation was a huge issue, then he would certainly sign with Atlanta because Georgia has some of the lowest taxes in the nation. I believe that LA will not land Furcal because of the situation they are in. I think it ultimately comes down to the familairity that Furcal has with the players on each team. Hopefully, ARam can pursuade Furcal do put on some cubbie blue.

[mg420]

 

i totally agree with you on these points. the cubs would still need a leadoff man and the only spot open would be cf so either pierre or gathright would be a nice fit. as far as rf, i would like to see either wilkerson or floyd.

 

gathright is pretty much worthless. yeah, i said it. worthless. pierre is a cut above him.

 

btw, this article seems to contradict your knowledgeable assement of gathright's baseball ability. i wont bother to post the one about pierre that does the same because it has already been done in another thread.

 

http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2004/fab50/062204.12.html

That is a very big overranking of Gathright and I bet even that site won't have him anywhere near that high going into 2006.

 

perhaps it is overboard but the guy obviously has some talent. he hasnt hit below .300 in the minors and steals a ton of bases. he has zero power but if he can get on base in the majors he can be a great leadoff guy. how is his defense btw?

[JGalt73]

Unfortunately, there is no mention of his patience at the plate.

 

His major league stats are a pretty small sample size, and his walk rate is not good. That's too be expected.

 

Anybody know what his walk rate was during his minor league career?

 

Gathright reminds me a bit of Lofton. If he can take a pitch, he'll be a good major league lead off hitter for many years to come.

 

Single A: 62 BB / 90 K in 548 AB

 

Double A: 16 BB / 45 K in 211 AB

 

Triple A: 48 BB / 93 K in 462 AB

 

Total minors: 1221 AB, 126 BB / 228 K

[BigbadB]

Unfortunately, there is no mention of his patience at the plate.

 

His major league stats are a pretty small sample size, and his walk rate is not good. That's too be expected.

 

Anybody know what his walk rate was during his minor league career?

 

Gathright reminds me a bit of Lofton. If he can take a pitch, he'll be a good major league lead off hitter for many years to come.

 

Single A: 62 BB / 90 K in 548 AB

 

Double A: 16 BB / 45 K in 211 AB

 

Triple A: 48 BB / 93 K in 462 AB

 

Total minors: 1221 AB, 126 BB / 228 K

 

Nice work. Got any comparison stats. Lofton? Pierre?

 

That's not too shabby.

[JGalt73]

Unfortunately, there is no mention of his patience at the plate.

 

His major league stats are a pretty small sample size, and his walk rate is not good. That's too be expected.

 

Anybody know what his walk rate was during his minor league career?

 

Gathright reminds me a bit of Lofton. If he can take a pitch, he'll be a good major league lead off hitter for many years to come.

 

Single A: 62 BB / 90 K in 548 AB

 

Double A: 16 BB / 45 K in 211 AB

 

Triple A: 48 BB / 93 K in 462 AB

 

Total minors: 1221 AB, 126 BB / 228 K

 

Nice work. Got any comparison stats. Lofton? Pierre?

 

That's not too shabby.

 

Minor league, Kenny Lofton: 159 BB / 266 K in 1423 AB, .300 AVG, .379 SLG

 

Minor league, Juan Pierre: 90 BB / 74 K in 1305 AB, .330 AVG, .392 SLG

[Tim]

Joey Gathright Complete Stats