11/05 College Football

[Chris]

ha ha, good call. 1st & goal Vandy

[Chris]

Touchdown Vandy

 

If Vanderbilt wins they need to tear down the posts (yes, I know the game is in the swamp)

[Chris]

OT #2 on the way

[Flames24Rulz]

OT #2 at the Swamp.

[Chris]

ugh, game over

[Flames24Rulz]

upset bid foiled. Florida wins 49-42.

[Chris]

The last time Vandy won in Gainesville the Cubs went to the World Series, yikes

[sethuel1]

good thing va. tech showed up tonight

[Derwood]

Who does the Big 10 Champ play in the Fiesta Bowl? As a PSU fan, I want no part of Miami

[Andy]

Who does the Big 10 Champ play in the Fiesta Bowl? As a PSU fan, I want no part of Miami

This year, the Fiesta gets the Big 12 and Pac-10 champs, but with that matchup likely to take place in the Rose Bowl between USC and Texas, the Fiesta gets the Big 10 champ and the first pick of an at-large, making a PSU/ND Fiesta Bowl likely.

 

In the Sugar you get the SEC champ (Bama or Florida?) and (probably) an at-large (probably whoever loses the ACC title game), and in the Orange you would get the ACC/Big East matchup between Miami/FSU and WV.

[Mark_R]

Does this loss to Miami possibly put Va Tech out of the BCS picture?

 

Penn State

Notre Dame

Bama

Florida

Miami

The strongest midget from the Big East ;)

Ohio State

Va Tech

USC

Texas

 

The Big East getting a team in the BCS is really screwing things up...

[Andy]

Does this loss to Miami possibly put Va Tech out of the BCS picture?

 

Penn State

Notre Dame

Bama

Florida

Miami

The strongest midget from the Big East ;)

Ohio State

Va Tech

USC

Texas

 

The Big East getting a team in the BCS is really screwing things up...

That's a very valid point. The BCS is looking like this right now: (my predictions on some of this)

 

Rose: USC/Texas

Fiesta: PSU/ND

Sugar: Alabama/FSU

Orange: Miami/WVU

 

I suppose that if FSU were to look particularly bad in losing to Miami in the ACC title game, that Va Tech could conceivably jump them into the Sugar Bowl, but other than that, the Hokies could be looking at a Gator Bowl bid this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

[stitchface]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

 

what does deserving have to do with it? The point is to make lots of money - that's it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

 

what does deserving have to do with it? The point is to make lots of money - that's it.

 

I was under the impression that they are obligated to go by the BCS standings for placing the at large bids.

[Andy]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

To be quite honest you could make cases for all those teams being more deserving than Notre Dame, right now. However, VT, Georgia and LSU all have shots at missing their conference title game, Wisconsin will probably end up finishing 3rd in the Big Ten behind PSU and OSU, and UCLA will have another loss after the USC game. (Oregon is liable to get screwed if they win out, unfortunately.) IMO you really can't say that a team is more deserving of ND if they can't finish among the top 2 of their conference.

[TruffleShuffle]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

To be quite honest you could make cases for all those teams being more deserving than Notre Dame, right now. However, VT, Georgia and LSU all have shots at missing their conference title game, Wisconsin will probably end up finishing 3rd in the Big Ten behind PSU and OSU, and UCLA will have another loss after the USC game. (Oregon is liable to get screwed if they win out, unfortunately.) IMO you really can't say that a team is more deserving of ND if they can't finish among the top 2 of their conference.

 

And Notre Dame conveniently avoids any possibility of finishing outside the top two in a conference by not joining one

[Andy]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

To be quite honest you could make cases for all those teams being more deserving than Notre Dame, right now. However, VT, Georgia and LSU all have shots at missing their conference title game, Wisconsin will probably end up finishing 3rd in the Big Ten behind PSU and OSU, and UCLA will have another loss after the USC game. (Oregon is liable to get screwed if they win out, unfortunately.) IMO you really can't say that a team is more deserving of ND if they can't finish among the top 2 of their conference.

 

And Notre Dame conveniently avoids any possibility of finishing outside the top two in a conference by not joining one

I'm sick of having this argument so I'm not going to comment. I've made my position known on this and have backed it up with facts. I don't need to say any more.

[Derwood]

Repeat after me:

 

NOTRE DAME=TV REVENUE

NOTRE DAME=TV REVENUE

NOTRE DAME=TV REVENUE

 

And you people thought it was about the game.....poor naive souls

[Mark_R]

Notre Dame really should join the Big East for football as well. Given the horrid programs in that conference, they should be perennial BCS players.

[Derwood]

Notre Dame really should join the Big East for football as well. Given the horrid programs in that conference, they should be perennial BCS players.

 

No, they should join the Big 10, since they play 3 or 4 Big 10 teams every year already. Oh wait, but then how can they play their "traditional" rivals like the mighty Army?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It boggles my mind how Notre Dame could be more deserving of an at-large BCS bid than VT, UCLA, LSU, Georgia, Wisconsin, OSU, or even Oregon.

To be quite honest you could make cases for all those teams being more deserving than Notre Dame, right now. However, VT, Georgia and LSU all have shots at missing their conference title game, Wisconsin will probably end up finishing 3rd in the Big Ten behind PSU and OSU, and UCLA will have another loss after the USC game. (Oregon is liable to get screwed if they win out, unfortunately.) IMO you really can't say that a team is more deserving of ND if they can't finish among the top 2 of their conference.

 

And why is that? There's a good chance that several of those teams can finish outside the top 2 in their conference, and still have only two losses. Notre Dame also has 2 losses, and likely will have a much worse schedule than many of those teams. If Notre Dame was in a conference and was in the top two I might be able to see that, but to disregard a team because they aren't in the top 2 of the conference is as ridiculous as disregarding ND because they don't have one.

[Derwood]

Truth be told, Notre Dame's "awesomely hard" schedule this year had been somewhat of a bust:

 

PITT: 4-5
MICH: 6-3
MSU:  5-4
WASH: 1-8
PUR:  3-6
USC:  9-0
BYU:  5-4
TENN: 3-5
NAVY: 5-3
SYR:  1-7
STAN: 4-4

TOTAL: 46-49

 

Not terribly impressive. They deserve what now?

[adamb0719]

Truth be told, Notre Dame's "awesomely hard" schedule this year had been somewhat of a bust:

 

PITT: 4-5
MICH: 6-3
MSU:  5-4
WASH: 1-8
PUR:  3-6
USC:  9-0
BYU:  5-4
TENN: 3-5
NAVY: 5-3
SYR:  1-7
STAN: 4-4

TOTAL: 46-49

 

Not terribly impressive. They deserve what now?

 

You can't blame ND for their schedule. They did not shy away from teams. This year it turned out that they did not have a schedule as tough as everyone thought. Not their fault.

 

It not like they schedule weak opponents like C Florida, Cinncinatti, C Michigan or many other weak non-conference games many top 10 teams play. Their schedule has the potential to be just as tough as any BCS conference team.

[Derwood]

Truth be told, Notre Dame's "awesomely hard" schedule this year had been somewhat of a bust:

 

PITT: 4-5
MICH: 6-3
MSU:  5-4
WASH: 1-8
PUR:  3-6
USC:  9-0
BYU:  5-4
TENN: 3-5
NAVY: 5-3
SYR:  1-7
STAN: 4-4

TOTAL: 46-49

 

Not terribly impressive. They deserve what now?

 

You can't blame ND for their schedule. They did not shy away from teams. This year it turned out that they did not have a schedule as tough as everyone thought. Not their fault.

 

It not like they schedule weak opponents like C Florida, Cinncinatti, C Michigan or many other weak non-conference games many top 10 teams play. Their schedule has the potential to be just as tough as any BCS conference team.

 

Penn State did have some weak non-conference teams. But to say that those three are any weaker than Army, Navy or Syracuse isn't fair.

 

And no, it isn't ND's fault that their opponents ended up being crappy. But it should certainly count against them in the computer rankings. A second (or even third) place SEC or PAC-10 team will have played more ranked opponents than ND.