Stoney: Furcal over Giles

[rocket]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

Yeah, he doesn't do a good job adaping to new methods of evaluating the players. He's far too married to old school methodology.

 

Those are fair points. His in-game instinct are astounding at times. His talent evaluation may be less so.

 

I just realized all of those describe Joe Morgan too.

[E.J.]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

If you need to know what's going to happen the next play before the ball is pitched Stoney is your man. I wouldn't say he'd be a good GM or manager though. I almost wish he'd just go back to Arizona and stay away from Chicago. I'm tired of hearing about him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

Yeah, he doesn't do a good job adaping to new methods of evaluating the players. He's far too married to old school methodology.

 

Those are fair points. His in-game instinct are astounding at times. His talent evaluation may be less so.

 

I just realized all of those describe Joe Morgan too.

 

I don't think Joe "this is where the shadow is, because there's no light there" Morgan is on Stone's level of in game analysis.

[USSoccer]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

Yeah, he doesn't do a good job adaping to new methods of evaluating the players. He's far too married to old school methodology.

 

Those are fair points. His in-game instinct are astounding at times. His talent evaluation may be less so.

 

I just realized all of those describe Joe Morgan too.

 

Joe Morgan. He's like afraid of fire and electricity.

[ZMovieman]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

I completely agree. I honestly think that Stoney would make a much better skipper than GM. He knows how to use the talent given to him on the field. That being said, I doubt he'd want to be a manager and I doubt I'd want him as a manager. He'd be every bit as outgoing and brash as Ozzie though. The media would love him.

[Andy]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

I completely agree. I honestly think that Stoney would make a much better skipper than GM. He knows how to use the talent given to him on the field. That being said, I doubt he'd want to be a manager and I doubt I'd want him as a manager. He'd be every bit as outgoing and brash as Ozzie though. The media would love him.

I'll take Stoney over Dusty in a second.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

I completely agree. I honestly think that Stoney would make a much better skipper than GM. He knows how to use the talent given to him on the field. That being said, I doubt he'd want to be a manager and I doubt I'd want him as a manager. He'd be every bit as outgoing and brash as Ozzie though. The media would love him.

I'll take Stoney over Dusty in a second.

I'll take a piece of stone over Dusty any day.

[UK1679666180]

I'd still rather have Dusty and I've been one of the more vocal Dusty detractors.

 

This current team obviously still has a large % from the '04 roster and there is still likely a high % those who took sides with the "Stone vs. Cubs" episodes during the '04 season.

 

Stone could possibly be better at in-game managing than Baker, but there would be too many hurdles for him to manage this current cubs roster.

 

Although this is all hypothetical, Stone would have to prove to me 1st that he can be a better manager than Baker w/out ever coaching. Dierker was able to do that in a short amount of time, so it certainly isn't out the realm of possibility, but I'd take Baker and his numerous faults at this stage over Stone.

[CarolinaCubFan]

Yet more evidence that Stone shouldn't be a GM.

 

I agree - I've always thought he was one of the most overrated minds in baseball.

 

My impression is that he's very good at dissecting in game situations, but terrible when it comes to evaluating players and teams as a whole.

 

I completely agree. I honestly think that Stoney would make a much better skipper than GM. He knows how to use the talent given to him on the field. That being said, I doubt he'd want to be a manager and I doubt I'd want him as a manager. He'd be every bit as outgoing and brash as Ozzie though. The media would love him.

I'll take Stoney over Dusty in a second.

I'll take a piece of stone over Dusty any day.

 

I love Stone, grew up watching him and Harry. That being said, Stone's attitude and approach has been off since the whole debacle last season. I think he's dealing with some sour grapes, and to me, it seems he'll make a stupid comment to take a jab when he can. Just my thoughts.

[clarkaddison]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

[David]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

That's quite a stretch. Kasper is great. But Brenly is run-of-the-mill, at best.

 

Stone was far more insightful.

 

That said, I agree with the majority here that he wouldn't make a good GM or manager.

[Marco4]

I'll take a piece of stone over Dusty any day.

 

:lol: Just got some very strange looks in the office. :lol:

[CubbieRich]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

You may not like Stoney's attitude, but the man knows baseball and he's never been afraid to voice his views. Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Whether Stoney would ever be given an opportunity to be a GM or front office decision maker is open for debate. Teams don't often take chances on out-spoken announcers and GM-types. They want house men who spew the party line and do what they are told. Harry Caray may have been the last of the great announcers in that regard. Teams are more concerned about the image of the team, rather than have an announcer actually tell you what's going on. They didn't learn that Harry sold more Cubs tickets than any marketing campaign could by telling the truth and not sugar coating it.

 

When I see Hendry start '06 by bringing back the entire coaching staff, Walker, Wood(on the team at all), Dempster as a starter, CPatt, etc.. makes me want someone else in charge. Whether that's Stoney or Theo Epstein or even Tim, at least they would speak their mind and not stand pat.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

You may not like Stoney's attitude, but the man knows baseball and he's never been afraid to voice his views. Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Whether Stoney would ever be given an opportunity to be a GM or front office decision maker is open for debate. Teams don't often take chances on out-spoken announcers and GM-types. They want house men who spew the party line and do what they are told. Harry Caray may have been the last of the great announcers in that regard. Teams are more concerned about the image of the team, rather than have an announcer actually tell you what's going on. They didn't learn that Harry sold more Cubs tickets than any marketing campaign could by telling the truth and not sugar coating it.

 

When I see Hendry start '06 by bringing back the entire coaching staff, Walker, Wood(on the team at all), Dempster as a starter, CPatt, etc.. makes me want someone else in charge. Whether that's Stoney or Theo Epstein or even Tim, at least they would speak their mind and not stand pat.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

[CubbieRich]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

You may not like Stoney's attitude, but the man knows baseball and he's never been afraid to voice his views. Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Whether Stoney would ever be given an opportunity to be a GM or front office decision maker is open for debate. Teams don't often take chances on out-spoken announcers and GM-types. They want house men who spew the party line and do what they are told. Harry Caray may have been the last of the great announcers in that regard. Teams are more concerned about the image of the team, rather than have an announcer actually tell you what's going on. They didn't learn that Harry sold more Cubs tickets than any marketing campaign could by telling the truth and not sugar coating it.

 

When I see Hendry start '06 by bringing back the entire coaching staff, Walker, Wood(on the team at all), Dempster as a starter, CPatt, etc.. makes me want someone else in charge. Whether that's Stoney or Theo Epstein or even Tim, at least they would speak their mind and not stand pat.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

I much prefer a play-by-play man who knows what they are talking about than someone with a sensationalist voice. Find me another PBP guy who has even heard of DIPS, never mind mention it on the air, then we can talk about Kasper not being the best in the biz.

[CubbieRich]

Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

I much prefer a play-by-play man who knows what they are talking about than someone with a sensationalist voice. Find me another PBP guy who has even heard of DIPS, never mind mention it on the air, then we can talk about Kasper not being the best in the biz.

 

Harry is a HOF announcer. He knew the game better than Len, Bob, Ron, Pat, etc.. He loved the game. Do not think for a moment that he didn't.

[David]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

You may not like Stoney's attitude, but the man knows baseball and he's never been afraid to voice his views. Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Whether Stoney would ever be given an opportunity to be a GM or front office decision maker is open for debate. Teams don't often take chances on out-spoken announcers and GM-types. They want house men who spew the party line and do what they are told. Harry Caray may have been the last of the great announcers in that regard. Teams are more concerned about the image of the team, rather than have an announcer actually tell you what's going on. They didn't learn that Harry sold more Cubs tickets than any marketing campaign could by telling the truth and not sugar coating it.

 

When I see Hendry start '06 by bringing back the entire coaching staff, Walker, Wood(on the team at all), Dempster as a starter, CPatt, etc.. makes me want someone else in charge. Whether that's Stoney or Theo Epstein or even Tim, at least they would speak their mind and not stand pat.

 

Not that I disagree that I'm generally disappointed in Hendry lately, but what's wrong with exercising Walker's option? That was a great move. Dempster isn't a starter. And what do you expect them to do with Wood?

[USSoccer]

Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

I much prefer a play-by-play man who knows what they are talking about than someone with a sensationalist voice. Find me another PBP guy who has even heard of DIPS, never mind mention it on the air, then we can talk about Kasper not being the best in the biz.

 

Harry is a HOF announcer. He knew the game better than Len, Bob, Ron, Pat, etc.. He loved the game. Do not think for a moment that he didn't.

 

Harry was a HOF announcer, but his was a different strength than Kaspar's. You can't really compare the two. They are from different eras. Personally, I find Kaspar's work pretty refreshing. I like the way he uses stats to support observations and highlight in game points. That doesn't mean Harry wasn't great. It's just different is all.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Stone's arrogance wouldn't work as either a manager or as a gm. In fact, Bob Brenly is a better on the air analyst than Stone ever was. He has insights in all facets of the game, not just pitching.

 

I like Dusty, but if he doesn't last the season, we could do lot worse than Brenly as manager. Look what he did with the D-backs.

 

You may not like Stoney's attitude, but the man knows baseball and he's never been afraid to voice his views. Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Whether Stoney would ever be given an opportunity to be a GM or front office decision maker is open for debate. Teams don't often take chances on out-spoken announcers and GM-types. They want house men who spew the party line and do what they are told. Harry Caray may have been the last of the great announcers in that regard. Teams are more concerned about the image of the team, rather than have an announcer actually tell you what's going on. They didn't learn that Harry sold more Cubs tickets than any marketing campaign could by telling the truth and not sugar coating it.

 

When I see Hendry start '06 by bringing back the entire coaching staff, Walker, Wood(on the team at all), Dempster as a starter, CPatt, etc.. makes me want someone else in charge. Whether that's Stoney or Theo Epstein or even Tim, at least they would speak their mind and not stand pat.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

He may have been the fourth choice, but he's done an excellent job. His ability to subtly work some of the new approaches to looking at the game into his broadcast put him on the cutting edge. He calls a good crisp game. I think within a couple of years, Len will be regarded as one of the best in the game.

[fromthestretch]

Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

I much prefer a play-by-play man who knows what they are talking about than someone with a sensationalist voice. Find me another PBP guy who has even heard of DIPS, never mind mention it on the air, then we can talk about Kasper not being the best in the biz.

 

Harry is a HOF announcer. He knew the game better than Len, Bob, Ron, Pat, etc.. He loved the game. Do not think for a moment that he didn't.

 

A little defensive, perhaps? I don't think anyone has said that Harry didn't know the game, didn't love the game, or didn't do a good job. Outside of a select few that do the job for fame or a paycheck, I think it's safe to say that just about everyone who broadcasts baseball games loves the game.

 

Len does a fine job. I personally think he's a lot easier to listen to than Chip was, but that's just my opinion. I've also grown to appreciate Pat Hughes more over the past two years.

[YearofDaCubs]

Brenly is nothing more than a lapdog and Kaspar is just average at best.

 

Pure heresy! I was lukewarm when Kasper was hired, but he's proven that he is an excellent play-by-play guy. As he grows into the job, I think all in all, we will be very pleased with this hire.

 

He was their 4th choice, not a ringing endorsement for the Cubs-probably one of the Top 3 broadcast jobs in the country. He's too vanilla for my tastes.

 

I much prefer a play-by-play man who knows what they are talking about than someone with a sensationalist voice. Find me another PBP guy who has even heard of DIPS, never mind mention it on the air, then we can talk about Kasper not being the best in the biz.

 

Harry is a HOF announcer. He knew the game better than Len, Bob, Ron, Pat, etc.. He loved the game. Do not think for a moment that he didn't.

 

A little defensive, perhaps? I don't think anyone has said that Harry didn't know the game, didn't love the game, or didn't do a good job. Outside of a select few that do the job for fame or a paycheck, I think it's safe to say that just about everyone who broadcasts baseball games loves the game.

 

Len does a fine job. I personally think he's a lot easier to listen to than Chip was, but that's just my opinion. I've also grown to appreciate Pat Hughes more over the past two years.

I actually enjoy listening to Len and Bob.

[imb]

Len and Bob are a great combo, the way their knowledge plays off each other.

[rocket]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Len Kasper is the greatest announcer in the history of baseball. Nay, sports.

[Chris]

Len and Bob are a great combo in the booth. In addition to doing a great job of broadcasting, they have been nothing but great to all of the Cub fans.