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U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

 

This is ridiculous. Our chances of signing Giles are I'd say, roughly, about a bazillion times better than our chances of landing ARod. Let's assume the Yankees are stupider than we think they are, and trade ARod because "he's not a true Yankee." What would we offer that they would accept in a trade? Aramis, Prior, and Pie? The situation is similar, though not nearly as extreme, with Manny. Floyd is more realistic. But it's worth pointing out that all we have to give up to get Giles is money. Which we have a lot of. Yes, it's true that he might sign for less to play somewhere else, but I'm sure he realizes that this team is (for all of our griping) only a few steps away from being big time contenders. And he would be one of those steps.

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U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

 

Our chances for landing Giles are much greater than landing those other players. To get Giles, you must simply outbid the other teams. Many other factors play into a trade that do not play into landing a FA.

 

That doesn't mean we will get Giles. In fact, as I've stated before, I'm skeptical that we will. I just don't see him as the target that Hendry will pursue. On the other hand, the Cubs will have available to them the financial resources to outbid nearly any other team, which makes our chances good if he were a target.

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Also, why not frontrun the Cardinals on Jacque Jones?

 

 

I keep having this recurring nightmare that Jacque Jones is our RFer in 2006.

 

It's happening again!! NO!

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Let the potentially horrible offseason begin. The Cubs have done nothing to make Nomar believe he will be welcomed back. Some other team is already serenading him.

 

Weak free agent class

Few marketable players to trade

Holes that weren't necessarily holes (Nomar/Walker) that increase holes

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= bad offseason

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=Wait until 2007

 

I agree.

 

There is no reason to not pick up Walker's option, and I think we should make an offer to Nomar and try to keep him. If not, then to for Furcal, but Nomar would be SS priority #1 for me.

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There are a lot of reasons not to re-sign Nomar, but I just have this terrible feeling that he will go somewhere else and hit .310 with 25 homers and play 140+ games. Health is a gigantic question mark, but if by some miracle he is healthy, he ends up being at the top of the free agent class.
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There are a lot of reasons not to re-sign Nomar, but I just have this terrible feeling that he will go somewhere else and hit .310 with 25 homers and play 140+ games. Health is a gigantic question mark, but if by some miracle he is healthy, he ends up being at the top of the free agent class.

 

Which is why it's important to figure out now what you want to do. Indicate to Nomar you want him back, and worry about whatever else later. Signing Nomar doesn't preclude you from signing Furcal, or Giles, or whoever. Maybe we could get Nomar 400 AB's playing SS, spelling ARam at 3rd, Murton in LF, and whoever at 2B. Maybe we get outbid for Furcal, but at least we still have Nomar, and Cedeno ready if his legs blow up again.

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LOL, every thread in Transactions turns into a thread about Brian Giles.

 

Doesn't it make you long for the days when every Transactions thread turned into a thread about Carlos Beltran? :P

 

Or, more recently, Adam Dunn? Maybe we should start a predictions thread to guess who will be next?

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U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

 

Our chances for landing Giles are much greater than landing those other players. To get Giles, you must simply outbid the other teams. Many other factors play into a trade that do not play into landing a FA.

 

That doesn't mean we will get Giles. In fact, as I've stated before, I'm skeptical that we will. I just don't see him as the target that Hendry will pursue. On the other hand, the Cubs will have available to them the financial resources to outbid nearly any other team, which makes our chances good if he were a target.

 

Simply outbid eh. Well, there's a huge problem for starters....

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U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

 

This is ridiculous. Our chances of signing Giles are I'd say, roughly, about a bazillion times better than our chances of landing ARod. Let's assume the Yankees are stupider than we think they are, and trade ARod because "he's not a true Yankee." What would we offer that they would accept in a trade? Aramis, Prior, and Pie? The situation is similar, though not nearly as extreme, with Manny. Floyd is more realistic. But it's worth pointing out that all we have to give up to get Giles is money. Which we have a lot of. Yes, it's true that he might sign for less to play somewhere else, but I'm sure he realizes that this team is (for all of our griping) only a few steps away from being big time contenders. And he would be one of those steps.

 

Couple of problems... Giles has a choice over where he goes. Sure Manny, Arod and Floyd can block a trade, but I doubt any of them would.

As for merely "giving up money," Floyd and Arod are probably alot more attractive to the Trib. Arod has a lot more marketing potential, and Floyd has a Trib friendly 1 year deal. Manny's deal probably will have less years remaining than Giles.

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if a jones supporter can explain to me, in an intelligent fashion, why they think jones is a good option at any position, i would be much obligend.

 

jones is decent defensively, above that i can't think of one reason why he's any different than burnitz.

 

it's as if there are people here who actually FEAR a hitter with a good OBP.

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U wisely comprehend that there are 29 other teams competing in the free agency market w/ the Cubs. Add everything up and the Cubs have a better shot @ getting ARod, Manny or Floyd than Giles. Also, I can live w/ an outfield of Murton, Bradley and Jones, if the middle of the infield is Castillo and Furcal. The White Sox, Angels and Houston have been successful w/ less offense, and the Cardinals offense is not all that prolific w/ Sanders, Walker, Molina, Grudz and whoever play 3b in it.

 

This is ridiculous. Our chances of signing Giles are I'd say, roughly, about a bazillion times better than our chances of landing ARod. Let's assume the Yankees are stupider than we think they are, and trade ARod because "he's not a true Yankee." What would we offer that they would accept in a trade? Aramis, Prior, and Pie? The situation is similar, though not nearly as extreme, with Manny. Floyd is more realistic. But it's worth pointing out that all we have to give up to get Giles is money. Which we have a lot of. Yes, it's true that he might sign for less to play somewhere else, but I'm sure he realizes that this team is (for all of our griping) only a few steps away from being big time contenders. And he would be one of those steps.

 

Couple of problems... Giles has a choice over where he goes. Sure Manny, Arod and Floyd can block a trade, but I doubt any of them would.

As for merely "giving up money," Floyd and Arod are probably alot more attractive to the Trib. Arod has a lot more marketing potential, and Floyd has a Trib friendly 1 year deal. Manny's deal probably will have less years remaining than Giles.

 

A couple of Cards fans are telling me that the Red Birds will be making a big push for Giles (maybe their supposed "interest" in Jones is just a smokescreen). If the Cubs were smart (I realize the contradiction in terms there), they would do what it takes to get Giles, thereby killing two birds (one red :D ) with one stone, i.e., filling a need and keeping a good player away from their bitter rival.

 

 

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