What's wrong with Lofton?

[MPrior]

Couple questions concerning Kenny Lofton:

 

1. Does anyone know what the Phillies are planning on doing with him next year, and if he wants to stay there?

 

2. If we can get him, what's wrong with him? He's not going to command a multi-year deal anywhere, so it's not as if we'd be investing too much time on an old guy. Secondly, he shouldn't cost more than $4 mill, absolute tops, for a year. Lastly, he's posting something like a .393 OBP, with a career OBP around .370, and he's a CF who can hold the position till Pie is ready. So why not? I would think he'd be a pretty obvious signing. He fills the CF hole, which is a big deal. He addresses our OBP/leadoff hitter hole, which is an even bigger deal. And he does it all relatively cheaply, which I shouldn't have to point out is a big deal.

[Schwarber Fan]

I'll take him and day of the week. I liked K-Lo.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm for getting Lofton, but I think the case against him is age (39) and that his BABIP is out of line with his career norms and the trends he's set over the last few years. There's no doubt he's due to decline greatly from this year's numbers. The main question is exactly how much?

 

I'm for getting Lofton, only because he makes a nice stop-gap until Pie is ready and would be easy to push aside if Pie proves ready mid-season. Also, I'd expect to sign him for 1.75 million + incentives or less.

 

While I'm for Lofton, the original post suggested 4 million?!?! That's ludicrous.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm for Lofton but it worries me he might do a Steve Finley.

[RockTheIvy]

NOT HIS AWESOME GOLD CHAINS!!! :lol:

[Magnetic Curses]

i'll take lofton at his 04 numbers of .275/.346/.395 over anything else. torii hunter's never put up an obp like that in his career.

[HoopsCubs]

Couple questions concerning Kenny Lofton:

 

1. Does anyone know what the Phillies are planning on doing with him next year, and if he wants to stay there?

 

2. If we can get him, what's wrong with him? He's not going to command a multi-year deal anywhere, so it's not as if we'd be investing too much time on an old guy. Secondly, he shouldn't cost more than $4 mill, absolute tops, for a year. Lastly, he's posting something like a .393 OBP, with a career OBP around .370, and he's a CF who can hold the position till Pie is ready. So why not? I would think he'd be a pretty obvious signing. He fills the CF hole, which is a big deal. He addresses our OBP/leadoff hitter hole, which is an even bigger deal. And he does it all relatively cheaply, which I shouldn't have to point out is a big deal.

 

As long as his salary is no more than $3M, and the duration of contract is 1 year, this should be a no brainer move for the Cubs - Hendry and Baker like Lofton, and he likes them.

[JC]

Couple questions concerning Kenny Lofton:

 

1. Does anyone know what the Phillies are planning on doing with him next year, and if he wants to stay there?

 

2. If we can get him, what's wrong with him? He's not going to command a multi-year deal anywhere, so it's not as if we'd be investing too much time on an old guy. Secondly, he shouldn't cost more than $4 mill, absolute tops, for a year. Lastly, he's posting something like a .393 OBP, with a career OBP around .370, and he's a CF who can hold the position till Pie is ready. So why not? I would think he'd be a pretty obvious signing. He fills the CF hole, which is a big deal. He addresses our OBP/leadoff hitter hole, which is an even bigger deal. And he does it all relatively cheaply, which I shouldn't have to point out is a big deal.

 

As long as his salary is no more than $3M, and the duration of contract is 1 year, this should be a no brainer move for the Cubs - Hendry and Baker like Lofton, and he likes them.

 

They are all about the same age, aren't they? :wink:

[goonys evil twin]

Couple questions concerning Kenny Lofton:

 

1. Does anyone know what the Phillies are planning on doing with him next year, and if he wants to stay there?

 

2. If we can get him, what's wrong with him? He's not going to command a multi-year deal anywhere, so it's not as if we'd be investing too much time on an old guy. Secondly, he shouldn't cost more than $4 mill, absolute tops, for a year. Lastly, he's posting something like a .393 OBP, with a career OBP around .370, and he's a CF who can hold the position till Pie is ready. So why not? I would think he'd be a pretty obvious signing. He fills the CF hole, which is a big deal. He addresses our OBP/leadoff hitter hole, which is an even bigger deal. And he does it all relatively cheaply, which I shouldn't have to point out is a big deal.

 

As long as his salary is no more than $3M, and the duration of contract is 1 year, this should be a no brainer move for the Cubs - Hendry and Baker like Lofton, and he likes them.

 

They are all about the same age, aren't they? :wink:

 

That's awesome.

[BigbadB]

I'd rather have Lofton than Torrii Hunter, Jacque Jones and a few other suggested names that have no clue about plate discipline.

[Geech]

Lofton won't come close to repeating this years performance next year. Not by a long shot.

[Derwood]

You could argue that Kenny was the 2nd half MVP for the Cubs in 2003. He really got the lineup going in a way that no one has the past 2 seasons.

 

Who wants to jump on the SignKennyBandWGN?

[RockTheIvy]

You could argue that Kenny was the 2nd half MVP for the Cubs in 2003. He really got the lineup going in a way that no one has the past 2 seasons.

 

Who wants to jump on the SignKennyBandWGN?

 

Already on it.

[CubinNY]

Bold Prediciton

 

If the Cubs sign Lofton, next season there will be more topics on his suckitude then on Corey's suckitide this season.

 

The past is the past, 2003 will never return. Besides hindsight is not 20/20 here. The Cubs offense was no better after he came then before he came. Don't beleive me? You can look it up!

[Mark Priors Calves]

If Lofton gets signed, I can already hear the anger and frustration with many Cub fans about not letting Pie get the chance when he's actually ready for the big leagues.

[Tim]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

 

I would rather have Lofton in CF than Perez at SS. It may come down to that.

[Tim]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

 

I would rather have Lofton in CF than Perez at SS. It may come down to that.

For the life of me, I can't see the connection between those two choices.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

 

I would rather have Lofton in CF than Perez at SS. It may come down to that.

For the life of me, I can't see the connection between those two choices.

 

If the Cubs are hitting Perez at the leadoff spot right now...Baker must think he can leadoff. By getting Lofton will ease the transition to Cedeno since he won't have to lead off thus the need to sign Perez won't be as great.

 

You have to think like Baker Tim...that might be your problem. :D

Edited September 27, 2005 by CuseCubFan69

[Tim]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

 

I would rather have Lofton in CF than Perez at SS. It may come down to that.

For the life of me, I can't see the connection between those two choices.

 

If the Cubs are hitting Perez at the leadoff spot right now...Baker must think he can leadoff. By getting Lofton will ease the transition to Cedeno since he won't have to lead off thus the need to sign Perez won't be a great.

 

You have to think like Baker Tim...that might be your problem. :D

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Couple questions concerning Kenny Lofton:

 

1. Does anyone know what the Phillies are planning on doing with him next year, and if he wants to stay there?

 

2. If we can get him, what's wrong with him? He's not going to command a multi-year deal anywhere, so it's not as if we'd be investing too much time on an old guy. Secondly, he shouldn't cost more than $4 mill, absolute tops, for a year. Lastly, he's posting something like a .393 OBP, with a career OBP around .370, and he's a CF who can hold the position till Pie is ready. So why not? I would think he'd be a pretty obvious signing. He fills the CF hole, which is a big deal. He addresses our OBP/leadoff hitter hole, which is an even bigger deal. And he does it all relatively cheaply, which I shouldn't have to point out is a big deal.

 

As long as his salary is no more than $3M, and the duration of contract is 1 year, this should be a no brainer move for the Cubs - Hendry and Baker like Lofton, and he likes them.

 

And then at recess, Lofton, Baker, and Hendry can invite some other people over, maybe get a good game of kickball going, since they like each other.

 

Kenny Lofton is better for the Cubs at $1.75 mill then at $3 mill. If KLoft wants more then $1.75, then I don't want the Cubs settling on a player at the end of his career.

[Tim]

It's not the extra $1.25M that concerns me. It is the fact that if Lofton is signed, Baker will play him no matter what his performance looks like. And I think there's a really good chance it's going to look awful.

[Magnetic Curses]

It's not the extra $1.25M that concerns me. It is the fact that if Lofton is signed, Baker will play him no matter what his performance looks like. And I think there's a really good chance it's going to look awful.

 

i have a tough time believing that lofton will be a .256/.322/.319 player, real tough time. like i said, i'd take .275/.346/.395 and that's what i think he'd deliver. i don't think we'll make a play for bradley, and if we sign giles i'd rather him play right. that leaves us with a few subpar choices and a decent one.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is what is wrong with Lofton.

 

I would rather have Lofton in CF than Perez at SS. It may come down to that.

For the life of me, I can't see the connection between those two choices.

 

If the Cubs are hitting Perez at the leadoff spot right now...Baker must think he can leadoff. By getting Lofton will ease the transition to Cedeno since he won't have to lead off thus the need to sign Perez won't be a great.

 

You have to think like Baker Tim...that might be your problem. :D

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

 

Wait...I'm just getting started!

 

Honestly...to beat the beast you must think like the beast. Baker is here to stay for some ungodly reason and you need a true type of leadoff hitter to displace Perez and if the Cubs do not guess who will be leading off? By gettting a leadoff hitter IMO, it's the only way Perez can not be signed. If the Cubs go with a young guy from the organization Baker will want Perez around in case that player fails in their first 10 AB's.

 

And most importantantly....never argue with a stubburn Cub manager with a mancrush!

[goonys evil twin]

Honestly...to beat the beast you must think like the beast. Baker is here to stay for some ungodly reason and you need a true type of leadoff hitter to displace Perez and if the Cubs do not guess who will be leading off? By gettting a leadoff hitter IMO, it's the only way Perez can not be signed. If the Cubs go with a young guy from the organization Baker will want Perez around in case that player fails in their first 10 AB's.

 

And most importantantly....never argue with a stubburn Cub manager with a mancrush!

 

I just don't understand this logic. Dusty doesn't control the signings. If Hendry doesn't want to resign Perez, he doesn't have to. Perez does not have to return, no matter how much Dusty wants it to happen. You're entire theory relies exclusively on the assumption that Dusty has the final say on Neifi this offseason and that's just not accurate.