Burnett told to leave the Marlins

[NorthsideAvenger]

In the Tribune article, they reported that Cabrera was suspended for disciplinary reasons. Now there's the person we want lol.

 

He was benched because he showed up at the game ONLY 30 minutes before "First pitch." Outside of that, I haven't heard anything about Miguel Cabrera being a "malcontent" or a "pri madonna", or a "pri maBONDS."

[cjbucks]

Funny thing about the so-called "malcontents", "psychos", "bad attitudes", etc., most of the ones you hear about you never hear former teammates call them a bad teammate. You'll hear media guys, ownership and fans doing the name calling, but I've never heard anyone call Milton Bradley a bad teammate, I don't remember anyone calling Albert Belle a bad teammate, and Gary Sheffield may have been hated by ownership in Milwaukee and San Diego, but I never heard any of his former teammates call him a bad teammate.

 

Pretty sure I read in SI this week that police have responded to 3 domestic disturbance calls to Bradley's residence this year - he may be a great teamate but it doesn't sound like he is a very good husband.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Funny thing about the so-called "malcontents", "psychos", "bad attitudes", etc., most of the ones you hear about you never hear former teammates call them a bad teammate. You'll hear media guys, ownership and fans doing the name calling, but I've never heard anyone call Milton Bradley a bad teammate, I don't remember anyone calling Albert Belle a bad teammate, and Gary Sheffield may have been hated by ownership in Milwaukee and San Diego, but I never heard any of his former teammates call him a bad teammate.

 

Pretty sure I read in SI this week that police have responded to 3 domestic disturbance calls to Bradley's residence this year - he may be a great teamate but it doesn't sound like he is a very good husband.

 

Milton and his mom have called in two of those (source: Torrance Daily Breeze), apparently his wife is every bit as psycho, based on the 911 calls.

[Magnetic Curses]

i wouldn't compare him to wood just yet. while he's no more accomplished, he's thrown over 200 innings this year and has shown no nagging shoulder or elbow problems since his tjs.

 

like wood, though, he's a very good pitcher, which is why i'd sign him.

 

Why not compare him to Wood. They are the same age (AJ is 5 months older). They've each pitched in parts of 7 seasons.

 

Wood has 1109 IP in 174 starts. He is 70-54 with a 3.67 ERA, 1286 K's, 538 BB, 856 H.

 

Burnett has 854 IP in 131 starts. He is 49-50 with a 3.73 ERA, 753 K's, 377 BB, 719 H.

 

AJ missed most of 2003 and a good portion of 2004. He's been on and off disabled lists with many different ailments. Wood has been the more effective pitcher throughout his career using just about any measurement. Both are injury risks, neither is particularly reliable. They are very similar.

 

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

[jtownie]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

 

Hendry seems to be one of the few GM's that has a good relationship with Boras. The Pawalek is just one example that I can think of.

[goonys evil twin]

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

 

That's the only thing in Burnett's favor. But how meaningful is it. After 2003 Wood was the one who looked healthy. They've gone back and forth with their problems. My point is neither is reliable, and nobody would sign Wood to a big extension today, there's no justification for giving Burnett that contract instead.

[gflore34]

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

 

That's the only thing in Burnett's favor. But how meaningful is it. After 2003 Wood was the one who looked healthy. They've gone back and forth with their problems. My point is neither is reliable, and nobody would sign Wood to a big extension today, there's no justification for giving Burnett that contract instead.

 

Given the Cubs recent history with injury proned players or players recently removed from a serious injury there's no way Hendry would take a chance on Burnett. After this and last seasons, Hendry' got to be a little gun shy about such players.

[mg420]

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

 

That's the only thing in Burnett's favor. But how meaningful is it. After 2003 Wood was the one who looked healthy. They've gone back and forth with their problems. My point is neither is reliable, and nobody would sign Wood to a big extension today, there's no justification for giving Burnett that contract instead.

 

Given the Cubs recent history with injury proned players or players recently removed from a serious injury there's no way Hendry would take a chance on Burnett. After this and last seasons, Hendry' got to be a little gun shy about such players.

 

especially with guys like hill, pinto & nolasco (and maybe even guzman) in the wings.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

 

Hendry seems to be one of the few GM's that has a good relationship with Boras. The Pawalek is just one example that I can think of.

 

That's true. I was thinking more along the lines that "he'll be cheaper, but not by that much because of Boras." Hendry has a good relationship with Boras, but that doesn't mean that Hendry hasn't been taken by Boras before(Maddux).

[Magnetic Curses]

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

 

That's the only thing in Burnett's favor. But how meaningful is it. After 2003 Wood was the one who looked healthy. They've gone back and forth with their problems. My point is neither is reliable, and nobody would sign Wood to a big extension today, there's no justification for giving Burnett that contract instead.

 

but in burnett's favor, he doesn't have the history of shoulder and forearm problems that wood does. he's had TJS, but one can hardly predict with any certainty that burnett's next 2 seasons will be comparable to wood's last 2.

[goonys evil twin]

but the huge difference is that burnett is not coming off of an injury in his contract year.

 

That's the only thing in Burnett's favor. But how meaningful is it. After 2003 Wood was the one who looked healthy. They've gone back and forth with their problems. My point is neither is reliable, and nobody would sign Wood to a big extension today, there's no justification for giving Burnett that contract instead.

 

but in burnett's favor, he doesn't have the history of shoulder and forearm problems that wood does. he's had TJS, but one can hardly predict with any certainty that burnett's next 2 seasons will be comparable to wood's last 2.

 

No, you can't predict they will be the same. But you can't predict Burnett will be better than Wood either. If you wouldn't give Wood a 4/50 right now, you shouldn't give one to Burnett (especially if you already have Wood at $12m+ and offense is a much bigger problem).

[CuseCubFan69]

I think if Hendry takes care of the Offense/Closer and there is enough money to sign a front line starter like Burnett or Millwood I'm OK with it but I am annoyed that the young guns didn't get a chance to fill one of those spots since that is where Hendry has concentrated the drafts on..

[YearofDaCubs]

Burnett is the kind of pickup that could make a GM look like a genius or an idiot.

Good way to put it. I would love to have him here but I doubt we go after him.

[YearofDaCubs]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

I'm not a fan of Millwood. Sure, he did good for the Indians this year but what about last year when he pitched for the Phillies? He might be more of a risk than Burnett.

[UK1679666180]

Burnett was one of the main reasons Rosenthal was not brought back for Florida.

 

(off-topic:I wouldn't mind seeing Rosenthal as the next Cubs PC.)

[CuseCubFan69]

Burnett was one of the main reasons Rosenthal was not brought back for Florida.

 

(off-topic:I wouldn't mind seeing Rosenthal as the next Cubs PC.)

 

So you're saying he is a whinny complaining type of guy?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

I'm not a fan of Millwood. Sure, he did good for the Indians this year but what about last year when he pitched for the Phillies? He might be more of a risk than Burnett.

 

2002: 1.15 WHIP, .230 BAA, .627 OPS

2003: 1.25 WHIP, .250 BAA, .691 OPS

2004: 1.46 WHIP, .278 BAA, .774 OPS

2005: 1.24 WHIP, .250 BAA, .696 OPS

 

K/9 and K/BB stay basically constant all 4 years. Methinks that 2004 is more of an aberration than 2005.

[YearofDaCubs]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

I'm not a fan of Millwood. Sure, he did good for the Indians this year but what about last year when he pitched for the Phillies? He might be more of a risk than Burnett.

 

2002: 1.15 WHIP, .230 BAA, .627 OPS

2003: 1.25 WHIP, .250 BAA, .691 OPS

2004: 1.46 WHIP, .278 BAA, .774 OPS

2005: 1.24 WHIP, .250 BAA, .696 OPS

 

K/9 and K/BB stay basically constant all 4 years. Methinks that 2004 is more of an aberration than 2005.

Possibly. His numbers are weird. He goes from a 4era to a mid 2era back to 4 back to 3 and so on. Very inconsistent. Last years ERA was his highest. I dont know what to make of it.

 

Burnett

[goonys evil twin]

Using Pitching Runs (link), Burnett finds himself at the bottom of the 50 best SP, just in front of such studs as Noah Lowry and Kyle Lohse. He won't be worth the contract he'll get. If you're going to spend for a starter, go after Millwood, he'll probably be cheaper, although he is a Boras client.

I'm not a fan of Millwood. Sure, he did good for the Indians this year but what about last year when he pitched for the Phillies? He might be more of a risk than Burnett.

 

2002: 1.15 WHIP, .230 BAA, .627 OPS

2003: 1.25 WHIP, .250 BAA, .691 OPS

2004: 1.46 WHIP, .278 BAA, .774 OPS

2005: 1.24 WHIP, .250 BAA, .696 OPS

 

K/9 and K/BB stay basically constant all 4 years. Methinks that 2004 is more of an aberration than 2005.

Possibly. His numbers are weird. He goes from a 4era to a mid 2era back to 4 back to 3 and so on. Very inconsistent. Last years ERA was his highest. I dont know what to make of it.

 

Burnett

 

You hate* Millwood for his inconsistency, but want Burnett? That seems odd to me. I'd call Burnett inconsistent before Millwood. Remember, Millwood was also affected by the opening of Philly's new park.

 

Sorry, I shouldn't have said hate, it was more like distaste.

Edited September 27, 2005 by goony's evil twin

[UK1679666180]

Burnett was one of the main reasons Rosenthal was not brought back for Florida.

 

(off-topic:I wouldn't mind seeing Rosenthal as the next Cubs PC.)

 

So you're saying he is a whinny complaining type of guy?

 

I think in this current case he is whiny, not with Rosenthal though. He just ignored and talked back to Rosenthal. Some reason pitchers like Beckett and Willis didn't adapt to Rosenthal either. Of course, you look at what he did with Pavano, Benitez, Chad Fox, and Brad Penny as well as the turnaround the '03 Marlins staff had, it pays to listen.

 

But when a player says something like this...

 

Burnett was asked for his reaction to Rosenthal's firing. "I don't have one,'' he said. "Best of luck to him, I guess.''

 

You wonder about the mindset of a player, if he's a rectum or not.

 

Beckett was known for being upset with Rosenthal b/c Rosenthal would not call the scorekeeper during the game to protest a hit that should've been an error and save Beckett some earned runs.

[UK1679666180]

As far as Burnett, I think he'll end up with Toronto.

[CuseCubFan69]

You wonder about the mindset of a player, if he's a rectum or not.

 

Beckett was known for being upset with Rosenthal b/c Rosenthal would not call the scorekeeper during the game to protest a hit that should've been an error and save Beckett some earned runs.

 

You have to wonder where his focus is when he worries about things like that. It's amazing on how big it is to be able to communicate in the correct manner to some of these guys. It doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about sometimes when it comes with dealing with these types of attitudes. I've noticed throughout the years it's the way you sell an idea is what matters not the idea itself.

[UK1679666180]

One more thing about Rosenthal, he believed a pitcher should not be afraid to sacrifice velocity for command. Sounds like something the Cubs staff could use.

[CuseCubFan69]

One more thing about Rosenthal, he believed a pitcher should not be afraid to sacrifice velocity for command. Sounds like something the Cubs staff could use.

 

I've always taught my pitchers to throw around 90% of their peak fastball.