baker wants more walks???????

[abuck1220]

is this some kind of joke??

 

We have to increase our on-base percentage via walks. I'm not a 'walk' man per se, to go up there looking for walks. But at the same time, if it's 3-1 and you're swinging at something in the dirt or over your head when you should've walked.

 

:shock:

[Chris]

Calling Brandon Sing...

[Bruce Miles]

I figured you guys would like that one.

[snoodmonger]

is this some kind of joke??

 

We have to increase our on-base percentage via walks. I'm not a 'walk' man per se, to go up there looking for walks. But at the same time, if it's 3-1 and you're swinging at something in the dirt or over your head when you should've walked.

 

:shock:

 

Even when calling for walks, he denounces walks.

 

I give up.

 

http://www.phog.tv/images/emoticons/burningman.gif

 

On a not really related note, Bruce, is it more or less guaranteed that we'll see Neifi in Cubbie blue next year?

[Banedon]

I read this one just now, and came straight over here cuz I knew someone would've been all over that one. Even in his advocacy of walks though, he had to throw "I'm not a walk man" in there....classic.

[AlwaysaCub]

He is right, though, that if you go up looking for a walk, you won't hit home runs or singles or whatnot because you are so concerned about the walk. Walks come from aggression only in the strike zone, because you still have to swing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I figured you guys would like that one.

 

Bruce, did you chuckle a bit when he said it? Or just sit and

look like this --> :shock:

[USSoccer]

I figured you guys would like that one.

 

Bruce, did you chuckle a bit when he said it? Or just sit and

look like this --> :shock:

 

Being a beat reporter has to be tough. You have to hold a straight face when Baker says something like that.... :D

[abuck1220]

just in time for the postseason run!

[Bruce Miles]

I believe Neifi will be back next year. That's fine _ if he's used right. Organization people are very high on Cedeno, though.

 

It was a bit funny yesterday when Dusty said that. But I also thought I had hit the jackpot because I knew how people would react to a quote like that.

 

Enjoy the game today.

[Magnetic Curses]

I believe Neifi will be back next year. That's fine _ if he's used right. Organization people are very high on Cedeno, though.

 

It was a bit funny yesterday when Dusty said that. But I also thought I had hit the jackpot because I knew how people would react to a quote like that.

 

Enjoy the game today.

 

hasn't dusty demonstrated that he can't use neifi correctly? I like having guys like him on the bench, but when they're repeatedly misused, i have a problem with it.

 

neifi's fat .025 IsoD should be a big sign that if dusty wants walks, he won't get them from starting neifi.

[sweetpeteman]

:shaking:

[AAApittsburgh]

Can't have no patience, dude. Gotta be aggressive.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

just in time for the postseason run!

 

:lol:

 

It is pretty damn nice timing.

 

But what can you do? Just chuckle and say to yourself "That darn Dusty."

 

So far in the past couple of days I've seen two quotes from Dusty calling for things that the team has completely forgotten since he has become manager. He has called for fundamental play, and he has called for more walks. Next thing you know he'll be talking about reducing pitch counts on Prior and Zambrano.

 

Maybe he's seen the err of his ways.

[cubweiser03]

Dude has repeated many times his frustration with the pitchers walking to many hitters and how much it hurts, its about time he makes the reverse criticism.

[dalgreen]

is this some kind of joke??

 

We have to increase our on-base percentage via walks. I'm not a 'walk' man per se, to go up there looking for walks. But at the same time, if it's 3-1 and you're swinging at something in the dirt or over your head when you should've walked.

 

:shock:

 

Even when calling for walks, he denounces walks.

 

I give up.

 

http://www.phog.tv/images/emoticons/burningman.gif

 

On a not really related note, Bruce, is it more or less guaranteed that we'll see Neifi in Cubbie blue next year?

 

What's wrong with not being a "walk guy?" On its face it's a bad quote, but I felt he explained it pretty well. I wouldn't want guys going up every plate appearance just looking for a walk. I thought he explained it very well with the use of the 3-1 count explanation.

 

It's just too bad he waited until halfway through the season before he even acknowledged the poor plate approach of our hitters.

[Satch80]

I agree with Dusty's comment. I don't think any manager should want players passive at the plate, looking for a walk instead of being aggressive IN THE STRIKE ZONE. I think that's what he was trying to say.

[CubsWin]

I agree with Dusty's comment. I don't think any manager should want players passive at the plate, looking for a walk instead of being aggressive IN THE STRIKE ZONE. I think that's what he was trying to say.

Of course that is what he is trying to say. Thats what he said.

 

And who wouldn't agree that hitters should not be passive at the plate and looking for a walk. Dusty has been saying this all along. This is nothing new from him. And this isn't the first time he has mentioned this. He talked to the players in the last week of May about being more selective at the plate and waiting for your pitch. The guys then went on an impressive streak of games where they got double digit hits and had a great west coast road trip.

 

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

None of that has ever been true. He wants hitters to be aggressive and look to drive a ball, but at the same time he wants them to be selective because it is a lot easier to drive your pitch than the pitcher's.

 

He wants to win every game and he believes, rightly or wrongly, that major league experience makes a difference. I tend to disagree with him on this one, but by no means do I think the evidence supports that Baker is unwilling to start/play players simply because they are rookies. Rookie or not, if he believes they will give his team the best chance of winning a game, he is going to play them. Where I disagree with him is what goes into making him believe the rookie player is his best option for winning that day or not.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

You make it sound like those things are completely untrue. Many people came to these conclusions based on the ample quotes and decisions by Baker that confirmed that suspicion.

[CubsWin]

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

You make it sound like those things are completely untrue. Many people came to these conclusions based on the ample quotes and decisions by Baker that confirmed that suspicion.

Baker is a guy who doesn't choose his words very carefully, we all know that. Some of his sentences only make sense when you consider what he was trying to say, but in order to do that, one has to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

It is very easy for anyone who wants to support an already held belief to twist his not-very-carefully-chosen words around to do so. It has been my experience that some fans have done exactly that and don't give Baker the benefit of the doubt very often, if at all.

 

Maybe you aren't one of them. I don't know. I don't pay close attention to the name of the person doing the writing. I pay more attention to what is being written. But it seems clear to me that some fans have an already held belief that they are seeking to support by assuming the worst about a certain quote or twisting the words around to make them mean what they want it to mean.

 

I remember the Baker quote about tall guys having more moving parts. His words were poorly chosen and you kinda had to visualize what he was talking about to understand what he meant, but once you did, you got the gist of what he was saying. Some guys jumped on him for that quote and used it as evidence that he is an idiot or something, I don't know.

 

His quote about walks clogging the bases was twisted by these fans, too. Baker was referring to the fact that a hit can drive in someone from 2nd base, but a walk doesn't advance the runner with 1st base open instead, it creates a double play opportunity for the other team. If you give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't an idiot, you can understand what he was trying to say. But, if you have an already held belief that he is an idiot who hate walks, then it is fairly easy to twist Baker's poorly worded statements into evidence for your hatred of him.

 

That said, I think Baker could have done a much better job of getting his hitters to take more walks. I think he could have emphasized it a lot more. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Cubs have walked as little as they have under him and I think he should be fired. But the twisting of his quotes and extreme viewpoints expressed with hatred towards Baker by some fans I think is unsupportable.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Some of his sentences only make sense when you consider what he was trying to say, but in order to do that, one has to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

That will never, ever, ever happen here.

[treebird]

hes right, all my posts are just noninformed unsense designed to take dusty down, 1 meaningnot interweb post at a time

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

You make it sound like those things are completely untrue. Many people came to these conclusions based on the ample quotes and decisions by Baker that confirmed that suspicion.

Baker is a guy who doesn't choose his words very carefully, we all know that. Some of his sentences only make sense when you consider what he was trying to say, but in order to do that, one has to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

It is very easy for anyone who wants to support an already held belief to twist his not-very-carefully-chosen words around to do so. It has been my experience that some fans have done exactly that and don't give Baker the benefit of the doubt very often, if at all.

 

Maybe you aren't one of them. I don't know. I don't pay close attention to the name of the person doing the writing. I pay more attention to what is being written. But it seems clear to me that some fans have an already held belief that they are seeking to support by assuming the worst about a certain quote or twisting the words around to make them mean what they want it to mean.

 

I remember the Baker quote about tall guys having more moving parts. His words were poorly chosen and you kinda had to visualize what he was talking about to understand what he meant, but once you did, you got the gist of what he was saying. Some guys jumped on him for that quote and used it as evidence that he is an idiot or something, I don't know.

 

His quote about walks clogging the bases was twisted by these fans, too. Baker was referring to the fact that a hit can drive in someone from 2nd base, but a walk doesn't advance the runner with 1st base open instead, it creates a double play opportunity for the other team. If you give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't an idiot, you can understand what he was trying to say. But, if you have an already held belief that he is an idiot who hate walks, then it is fairly easy to twist Baker's poorly worded statements into evidence for your hatred of him.

 

That said, I think Baker could have done a much better job of getting his hitters to take more walks. I think he could have emphasized it a lot more. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Cubs have walked as little as they have under him and I think he should be fired. But the twisting of his quotes and extreme viewpoints expressed with hatred towards Baker by some fans I think is unsupportable.

 

I would agree with that if Baker's actions and decisions didn't support the supposed forgone conclusions that posters apparently twist his words to come to. It's one thing to interpret a Dusty quote to say "Dusty hates walks" or "Dusty hates kids". It's another thing to come to that interpretation after watching Bellhorn get run out of town, approaches like Neifi's continually rewarded, the PT situations of deserving young position players the last few years, etc. in addition to the supposedly twisted quote.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

You make it sound like those things are completely untrue. Many people came to these conclusions based on the ample quotes and decisions by Baker that confirmed that suspicion.

Baker is a guy who doesn't choose his words very carefully, we all know that. Some of his sentences only make sense when you consider what he was trying to say, but in order to do that, one has to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

It is very easy for anyone who wants to support an already held belief to twist his not-very-carefully-chosen words around to do so. It has been my experience that some fans have done exactly that and don't give Baker the benefit of the doubt very often, if at all.

 

Maybe you aren't one of them. I don't know. I don't pay close attention to the name of the person doing the writing. I pay more attention to what is being written. But it seems clear to me that some fans have an already held belief that they are seeking to support by assuming the worst about a certain quote or twisting the words around to make them mean what they want it to mean.

 

I remember the Baker quote about tall guys having more moving parts. His words were poorly chosen and you kinda had to visualize what he was talking about to understand what he meant, but once you did, you got the gist of what he was saying. Some guys jumped on him for that quote and used it as evidence that he is an idiot or something, I don't know.

 

His quote about walks clogging the bases was twisted by these fans, too. Baker was referring to the fact that a hit can drive in someone from 2nd base, but a walk doesn't advance the runner with 1st base open instead, it creates a double play opportunity for the other team. If you give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't an idiot, you can understand what he was trying to say. But, if you have an already held belief that he is an idiot who hate walks, then it is fairly easy to twist Baker's poorly worded statements into evidence for your hatred of him.

 

That said, I think Baker could have done a much better job of getting his hitters to take more walks. I think he could have emphasized it a lot more. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Cubs have walked as little as they have under him and I think he should be fired. But the twisting of his quotes and extreme viewpoints expressed with hatred towards Baker by some fans I think is unsupportable.

 

I would agree with that if Baker's actions and decisions didn't support the supposed forgone conclusions that posters apparently twist his words to come to. It's one thing to interpret a Dusty quote to say "Dusty hates walks" or "Dusty hates kids". It's another thing to come to that interpretation after watching Bellhorn get run out of town, approaches like Neifi's continually rewarded, the PT situations of deserving young position players the last few years, etc. in addition to the supposedly twisted quote.

 

Excellent statement. In 2003, I ignored Dusty's ignorant ramblings for the most part. But after watching actions back up the worst possible interpretations of said quotes, it's hard to do so any longer.

[CubsWin]

So is it the players or is it Dusty? I think it is both. But some fans seem to have made up their minds a long time ago that Dusty is an idiot who hates rookies and thinks that walks are a bad thing.

 

You make it sound like those things are completely untrue. Many people came to these conclusions based on the ample quotes and decisions by Baker that confirmed that suspicion.

Baker is a guy who doesn't choose his words very carefully, we all know that. Some of his sentences only make sense when you consider what he was trying to say, but in order to do that, one has to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

It is very easy for anyone who wants to support an already held belief to twist his not-very-carefully-chosen words around to do so. It has been my experience that some fans have done exactly that and don't give Baker the benefit of the doubt very often, if at all.

 

Maybe you aren't one of them. I don't know. I don't pay close attention to the name of the person doing the writing. I pay more attention to what is being written. But it seems clear to me that some fans have an already held belief that they are seeking to support by assuming the worst about a certain quote or twisting the words around to make them mean what they want it to mean.

 

I remember the Baker quote about tall guys having more moving parts. His words were poorly chosen and you kinda had to visualize what he was talking about to understand what he meant, but once you did, you got the gist of what he was saying. Some guys jumped on him for that quote and used it as evidence that he is an idiot or something, I don't know.

 

His quote about walks clogging the bases was twisted by these fans, too. Baker was referring to the fact that a hit can drive in someone from 2nd base, but a walk doesn't advance the runner with 1st base open instead, it creates a double play opportunity for the other team. If you give him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't an idiot, you can understand what he was trying to say. But, if you have an already held belief that he is an idiot who hate walks, then it is fairly easy to twist Baker's poorly worded statements into evidence for your hatred of him.

 

That said, I think Baker could have done a much better job of getting his hitters to take more walks. I think he could have emphasized it a lot more. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Cubs have walked as little as they have under him and I think he should be fired. But the twisting of his quotes and extreme viewpoints expressed with hatred towards Baker by some fans I think is unsupportable.

 

I would agree with that if Baker's actions and decisions didn't support the supposed forgone conclusions that posters apparently twist his words to come to. It's one thing to interpret a Dusty quote to say "Dusty hates walks" or "Dusty hates kids". It's another thing to come to that interpretation after watching Bellhorn get run out of town, approaches like Neifi's continually rewarded, the PT situations of deserving young position players the last few years, etc. in addition to the supposedly twisted quote.

 

Excellent statement. In 2003, I ignored Dusty's ignorant ramblings for the most part. But after watching actions back up the worst possible interpretations of said quotes, it's hard to do so any longer.

I disagree. I don't think it is an excellent statement at all. I think it has a lot of holes in it.

 

As I stated in my post, I do think Dusty's approach to hitting has an adverse affect on a team's walk total and that he should be fired.

 

But it is unfair and inaccurate to say that he hates walks. He doesn't. No manager does. To say that he does is to also say that he is an idiot. He isn't. No manager is. To say that he hates playing rookies is also inaccurate. He plays the people he thinks give his team the best chance of winning. Sometimes, that happens to be a rookie. It is accurate to say that he values major league experience, and it is a very supportable opinion to say that he overvalues it.

 

But to take some not-so-carefully-chosen words and twist them to support your view that Dusty is an idiot who hates walks and hates rookies is simply inaccurate, disrespectful and letting your frustrations get the better of you.