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Aug 26 Marlins (Vargas 4-1) at Cubs (Rusch 5-6) 1:20 wgn

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I completely disagree and you're using just the Lee at bat to prove your point. My point is that the entire team has a poor approach at the plate. I completely agree that Lee is the best hitter on the team. I question his approach in that situation. Base runners and on base percentage win ballgames. Making a struggling starter throw more pitches to get to the bullpen, wins ballgames. If Lee takes there, he's guaranteed to see another pitch in a hitters count.

 

This is what our conversation was about. You questioned Lee swinging at 3-0 and I called you on that. I have no doubt that the Cubs are fundamentally poor but you can't look at Lee's AB there and say that was an example.

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

 

barrett is pretty solid. the only thing i don't like about his D is his blocking. he could be a lot better with practice. blanco can show him the right way to do it...and barrett is a lot better defensively this year over last year.

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

 

Enough with the stats and start watching him play. He is below average defensively and tight at the plate in pressure situations. And please don't quote me his average with men in scoring position. It's different hitting in a game when you're up by 7 or 8 than it it is when you're down a couple of runs.

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

 

Enough with the stats and start watching him play. He is below average defensively and tight at the plate in pressure situations. And please don't quote me his average with men in scoring position. It's different hitting in a game when you're up by 7 or 8 than it it is when you're down a couple of runs.

 

:roll:

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

I agree. People have issues with his game calling I guess. Even though Larry calls the game from the dugout.

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It's different hitting in a game when you're up by 7 or 8 than it it is when you're down a couple of runs.

 

No matter the score, when you come up with the bases loaded and 1 out, your job is to get a hit or at the very worst a sac fly.

Fred Hornkohl GOAT

Fred Hornkohl

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TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Conine singled to left field

Cabrera singled to right field, Conine to second

Delgado grounded into a DP, 4-6-3, Cabrera out at second, Conine to third

Encarnacion blooped a single to shallow center field, Conine scored

Easley walked

Wuertz in to pitch for the CUBS

Gonzalez popped out to first base

 

1 runs, 3 hits, 0 errors, 2 men left on base

 

           1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
Florida    2 0 2 0 1            5 8 0 
CUBS       0 0 0 0              0 3 1

 

pitcher     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR HB PIT
Rusch      4.7  8  5  5  2  2  0  1  89 
Wuertz     0.3  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  05

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I completely disagree and you're using just the Lee at bat to prove your point. My point is that the entire team has a poor approach at the plate. I completely agree that Lee is the best hitter on the team. I question his approach in that situation. Base runners and on base percentage win ballgames. Making a struggling starter throw more pitches to get to the bullpen, wins ballgames. If Lee takes there, he's guaranteed to see another pitch in a hitters count.

 

This is what our conversation was about. You questioned Lee swinging at 3-0 and I called you on that. I have no doubt that the Cubs are fundamentally poor but you can't look at Lee's AB there and say that was an example.

 

Look back a couple pages and you'll see I did the same for the Neifi at bat as well as the Cedeno at bat. My point on Lee was the same as those posts. I'm not saying the Lee isn't the best offensive player on the team. Excellent hitters are expected to make outs 70% of the time. Given that, if a struggling pitcher MUST make 1 pitch to keep you off base, I say you take your chances, especially since you're guaranteed to get another chance even if the pitcher succeeds. Especially considering that Vargas is wild today.

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

 

Enough with the stats and start watching him play. He is below average defensively and tight at the plate in pressure situations. And please don't quote me his average with men in scoring position. It's different hitting in a game when you're up by 7 or 8 than it it is when you're down a couple of runs.

 

:lol:

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mhuber92211

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BTW for those who think that Barrett is the "2nd worst defensive catcher" in the league, I would disagree with that as well.

 

His .992 fielding percentage ranks above league average (and the same as Varitek, the #1 offensive catcher)

 

He has the highest range factor among regular catchers.

 

he has thrown out 19 of 55 runners which isn't bad (especially considering the staff and their lack of holding runners)

 

I think that Barrett is BY FAR the least of our concerns.

 

Enough with the stats and start watching him play. He is below average defensively and tight at the plate in pressure situations. And please don't quote me his average with men in scoring position. It's different hitting in a game when you're up by 7 or 8 than it it is when you're down a couple of runs.

 

OK. no more stats. Without facts to get in our way we will have to agree to disagree. My opinion differs dramatically from yours. We shall leave it at that.

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Nomar has 8 rbi's and 7 errors this year.

 

You're not going to have much range with a bad back and groin.

 

For errors, range is usually not the issue. It's what you do with the ball after you are in position to receive it that is the problem.

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mhuber92211

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I completely disagree and you're using just the Lee at bat to prove your point. My point is that the entire team has a poor approach at the plate. I completely agree that Lee is the best hitter on the team. I question his approach in that situation. Base runners and on base percentage win ballgames. Making a struggling starter throw more pitches to get to the bullpen, wins ballgames. If Lee takes there, he's guaranteed to see another pitch in a hitters count.

 

This is what our conversation was about. You questioned Lee swinging at 3-0 and I called you on that. I have no doubt that the Cubs are fundamentally poor but you can't look at Lee's AB there and say that was an example.

 

Look back a couple pages and you'll see I did the same for the Neifi at bat as well as the Cedeno at bat. My point on Lee was the same as those posts. I'm not saying the Lee isn't the best offensive player on the team. Excellent hitters are expected to make outs 70% of the time. Given that, if a struggling pitcher MUST make 1 pitch to keep you off base, I say you take your chances, especially since you're guaranteed to get another chance even if the pitcher succeeds. Especially considering that Vargas is wild today.

 

I understand your point. I just disagree your opinion on the approach in Lee's AB. I would have expected him to swing and if he didn't I would have questioned it.

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Fred Hornkohl

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BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Hairston struck out swinging

Lawton grounded out to short, 6-3

Lee flied out (foul) to right field

 

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

           1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
Florida    2 0 2 0 1            5 8 0 
CUBS       0 0 0 0 0            0 3 1

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