Patterson.....

[Jon]

:lol: :lol: The excuse making his hysterical. :lol: :lol:

 

Does Coopertown have a place for the the unluckiest player in the history of baseball?

I'm sorry. For some reason, I thought an article that's going to be read by hundreds of thousands of people should at least get the facts right instead of twisting plays to support the Corey has no idea what he's doing argument.

[Elrhino]

i'm just glad there's a thread where every mistake, no matter how small, that corey makes is scrutinized to the smallest detail.

 

you guys should do this for all the cubs' players. oh wait, you don't have it out for guys like hollandsworth, perez, rusch, lawton, etc.

 

If you were to scrutinize a player with a .267 OBP to the smallest detail, we'd have to devote the entire board to it. There's not enough hours in the day to scrutinize all the details of Corey's game. Truly, he's a very crappy baseball player by any objective measure and offers not shortage of ammunition.

 

All those other guys you mentioned are trashed on a routine basis on this board. The difference between them and Corey is they don't have a group of apologists shamelessly making excuse after excuse for them.

[abuck1220]

i'm just glad there's a thread where every mistake, no matter how small, that corey makes is scrutinized to the smallest detail.

 

you guys should do this for all the cubs' players. oh wait, you don't have it out for guys like hollandsworth, perez, rusch, lawton, etc.

 

If you were to scrutinize a player with a .267 OBP to the smallest detail, we'd have to devote the entire board to it. There's not enough hours in the day to scrutinize all the details of Corey's game. Truly, he's a very crappy baseball player by any objective measure and offers not shortage of ammunition.

 

All those other guys you mentioned are trashed on a routine basis on this board. The difference between them and Corey is they don't have a group of apologists shamelessly making excuse after excuse for them.

 

then you haven't read all the posts about those guys.

 

corey sucks this year, no doubt about it. but it's ridiculous that he seems to be the #1 target of baker, the media and posters on this board when the club was sucking it up at an all time high when he wasn't even on the team. you read these game threads and sullivan's articles and it makes it seem like patterson is the reason the cubs suck this year.

[Yeti]

i'm just glad there's a thread where every mistake, no matter how small, that corey makes is scrutinized to the smallest detail.

 

you guys should do this for all the cubs' players. oh wait, you don't have it out for guys like hollandsworth, perez, rusch, lawton, etc.

 

If you were to scrutinize a player with a .267 OBP to the smallest detail, we'd have to devote the entire board to it. There's not enough hours in the day to scrutinize all the details of Corey's game. Truly, he's a very crappy baseball player by any objective measure and offers not shortage of ammunition.

 

All those other guys you mentioned are trashed on a routine basis on this board. The difference between them and Corey is they don't have a group of apologists shamelessly making excuse after excuse for them.

FYI i am not trying to make excuses for Corey, like you said there is no shortage of ammunition provided by Corey, it just seems to me that there is no reason to rip the guy for excecuting on a hit and run, that was just bad timing, blame it on Dusty if you must place blame. rip Corey all you want for HIS mistakes, Lord knows he makes enough

[Chris]

 

The messed up squeeze play frustrated Dusty but I thought it was Prior's fault. Even with a "late jump" even Len mentioned that Corey just about got hit by the swing.

 

You must not have been watching the same game that I was watching. In the game that I was watching, Corey was thrown out at the plate despite the fact that Prior hit a ground ball to the right side. How could he have been "just about hit by the swing" and yet still get thrown out on a ground ball to the right side?

 

On the play Dusty was upset about Prior slapped the ball foul, which was before he hit the ball to the right side. I'm pretty sure that's the way it happened.

[Jon]

 

The messed up squeeze play frustrated Dusty but I thought it was Prior's fault. Even with a "late jump" even Len mentioned that Corey just about got hit by the swing.

 

You must not have been watching the same game that I was watching. In the game that I was watching, Corey was thrown out at the plate despite the fact that Prior hit a ground ball to the right side. How could he have been "just about hit by the swing" and yet still get thrown out on a ground ball to the right side?

 

On the play Dusty was upset about Prior slapped the ball foul, which was before he hit the ball to the right side. I'm pretty sure that's the way it happened.

Yeah. The squeeze play was when Prior chopped it foul. The slide at home was on a ground ball hit to the right side.

[CuseCubFan69]

I didn't see the play so could someone explain the play?

 

Was it a suicide squeeze or a safety squeeze? If it was a suicide then CPatt should have been running the second the pitcher was going home and should have never been thrown out by a second baseman at home. Also, Piror has to have blind faith that CPatt is going to run and do his job and not worry about doing Patterson's too.

 

These constant breakdowns that the Cubs have been doing are annoying the heck out of me and I see no reason for this to happen time and time again. Either this coaching staff doesn't communicate too well to the players in regards to what they have to do or the players can do what they want and not worry about any recourse. Either way it's not a good thing and it's time for a change.

[Jon]

I didn't see the play so could someone explain the play?

 

Was it a suicide squeeze or a safety squeeze? If it was a suicide then CPatt should have been running the second the pitcher was going home and should have never been thrown out by a second baseman at home. Also, Piror has to have blind faith that CPatt is going to run and do his job and not worry about doing Patterson's too.

 

These constant breakdowns that the Cubs have been doing are annoying the heck out of me and I see no reason for this to happen time and time again. Either this coaching staff doesn't communicate too well to the players in regards to what they have to do or the players can do what they want and not worry about any recourse. Either way it's not a good thing and it's time for a change.

It was a suicide squeeze. And yes, Prior needs to have blind faith that Patterson knows the play. You can't rely on sneaking a peak as the pitcher is starting his windup. I didn't see Patterson get a delayed jump at third, but the bottom line is that Patterson was at least half-way by the time Prior swung and chopped it foul. Corey did nothing wrong on the squeeze. If Prior lays it down, there's no way Patterson is out at home, even if it's right out in front of the plate.

 

The play in which Patterson was thrown out at home came later in the AB. It was not a squeeze play of any kind. Prior bounced a one-hopper to second and Patterson was out at home (although he was well ahead of the throw).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I didn't see the play so could someone explain the play?

 

Was it a suicide squeeze or a safety squeeze? If it was a suicide then CPatt should have been running the second the pitcher was going home and should have never been thrown out by a second baseman at home. Also, Piror has to have blind faith that CPatt is going to run and do his job and not worry about doing Patterson's too.

 

These constant breakdowns that the Cubs have been doing are annoying the heck out of me and I see no reason for this to happen time and time again. Either this coaching staff doesn't communicate too well to the players in regards to what they have to do or the players can do what they want and not worry about any recourse. Either way it's not a good thing and it's time for a change.

 

This is how I understand it.

 

Patterson got a late jump on what I can only assume was a suicide squeeze. Someone missed a sign, because Prior swang away and hit a foul ball. Later in the AB, Prior hit a ground ball to second, Patterson tried to score, but a bad slide prevented him from scoring when he should have scored relatively easily. Again, I didn't see it, but that's how I understand it.

[OldHappyCubFan]

People are blaming Patterson, because he was a good reason why we blew it yesterday, with RISP.

 

He didn't sac fly, and he didn't get a hit.

 

 

He's blown it in the past 3 games, pretty badly, and is a BIG reason for the losses.

[abuck1220]

how about a thread for walker, who made an error yesterday and got picked off first w/ ramirez coming up?

 

or for neifi, who grounded into a big dp and later popped up with a guy at 3rd and less than two outs?

 

or for rusch, who was awful in the first inning yesterday and put the cubs in an early hole?

 

or for lawton, who botched a fly ball yesterday and has done nothing at the plate?

 

i guess it's just more fun to pile on the same guy over and over...

[OldHappyCubFan]

Sorry abuck, but you're missing the point on many threads about Corey.

 

He isn't doing ANYTHING to help the team. Todd Walker is getting hits and homers. His average/obp is good. One error is okay.

 

Lawton isn't doing a whole lot, but he isn't making the same mistakes overy and over again. He just isn't hitting the ball particularly well. Hes in a slump. He has gotten some base hits in the past week with a double I think.

 

Neifi has better stats then Corey. He also has a gold glove. Yes hes blowing it, but he's gotten a couple RBI's the past week, with some hits.

 

Rusch just moved to the rotation, and on his second start in Coors, its tough. He did pitch well as the game got deeper.

 

 

 

Corey's making the same mistakes over and over again. I don't know why his supporters don't see it. His mental gaffes, his lack of offense, is getting worse as the season rolls on. He's decaying.

[Cubfanintheknow]

how about a thread for walker, who made an error yesterday and got picked off first w/ ramirez coming up?

 

or for neifi, who grounded into a big dp and later popped up with a guy at 3rd and less than two outs?

 

or for rusch, who was awful in the first inning yesterday and put the cubs in an early hole?

 

or for lawton, who botched a fly ball yesterday and has done nothing at the plate?

 

i guess it's just more fun to pile on the same guy over and over...

 

I think it would probably be different if Corey had failed to miss one sign or had just one bad at-bat or made just one running mistake. But combine them all and it's easy to see why posters are upset with Corey's play of late.

[abuck1220]

 

 

Corey's making the same mistakes over and over again. I don't know why his supporters don't see it. His mental gaffes, his lack of offense, is getting worse as the season rolls on. He's decaying.

 

listen, dude...i DO see that he's making the same mistakes. has anyone anywhere said that he's playing great lately? it's just ridiculous that anytime he does anything, a new thread springs up about him when the rest of the team is playing just as crappy.

 

now where's that 'burnitz has sucked for a month' thread...

[CuseCubFan69]

I see...thanks Jon and CPatt.

[OldHappyCubFan]

You say you're tired of the threads, but you keep contributing to them, and rediculing the posters who are expressing their frustrations.

 

I haven't seen that many as of late. Many people were pulling for Corey fresh out of AAA. I was one of them.

[imb]

You say you're tired of the threads, but you keep contributing to them, and rediculing the posters who are expressing their frustrations.

 

I haven't seen that many as of late. Many people were pulling for Corey fresh out of AAA. I was one of them.

 

One might say that you are a realist. Perhaps even The_Realist.

[OldHappyCubFan]

One might say that you are a realist. Perhaps even The_Realist.

 

Huh?

[imb]

Just pointing it out.

[katway]

I think Prior had to change his approach when Corey took off late. Prior can only glance over to third briefly, if Corey doesn't get a good jump, then Prior has to make his decision based on that fact. Prior can't continue to observe Corey coming down the line with a pitch headed to the plate. Corey needs to get a good jump and not put Prior in that position.

You still can't blame Corey for it. He may have taken off later than Mark was expecting but he was within 30 feet of the plate when Prior fouled that pitch off. He just forgot Patterson is really, really fast. Corey still would've scored easily if Prior put the ball in play

 

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So, what your saying is that Prior should have laid it down even if CPatt never broke on the ball? I mean, essentially, he is suppose to assume Corey is fast enough in spite of a poor break on the ball? this doesn't make sense to me.

 

Bottom line -- CPatt hustles to start the play and Prior lays it down according to plan. CPatt fails to hustle and Prior has to consider swinging away to protect CPatt. Thus, if CPatt hustles, we never have prior swinging away in the first place.

[Jon]

So, what your saying is that Prior should have laid it down even if CPatt never broke on the ball? I mean, essentially, he is suppose to assume Corey is fast enough in spite of a poor break on the ball? this doesn't make sense to me.

 

Bottom line -- CPatt hustles to start the play and Prior lays it down according to plan. CPatt fails to hustle and Prior has to consider swinging away to protect CPatt. Thus, if CPatt hustles, we never have prior swinging away in the first place.

A squeeze is called, you do what you're supposed to do. If you're in the batter's box, you can't possibly be 100% sure that a player isn't breaking. You have way too much to worry about and you simply cannot be looking at the runner on third. Corey DID hustle. He DID what he was supposed to do. He didn't do anything wrong. If Prior does his job, Corey scores without a play at the plate. Where's the mistake by Patterson? Mark made the mistake by not bunting when he was told to. I can't see how anything can be blamed on Corey here.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I'm not sure if this was said since I didn't feel like reading the last 10-15 posts in this thread but Dusty did say in a press conference the other day that it was a squeeze but that Prior didn't see Corey break for home so he swung away. It wasn't Corey's fault, it was Mark's.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

One might say that you are a realist. Perhaps even The_Realist.

 

Huh?

B& B& B&

[erik316wttn]

One might say that you are a realist. Perhaps even The_Realist.

 

Huh?

B& B& B&

 

Is there any proof?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

One might say that you are a realist. Perhaps even The_Realist.

 

Huh?

B& B& B&

 

Is there any proof?

Not on the board if that's what you mean.