Soxtalk

[Warpticon]

I don't care about people's hatred or something. I grew up on WGN, liked Sandberg, Dawson, and Maddux, then Sosa, and became a Cub fan. WGN also showed Sox games, and Sosa played for them, as did Thomas, so I kinda liked the Sox. Nothing has really changed since then, except that I like baseball in general a lot more.

[Strife]

You say the Cubs get lots of press because they have a big fan base, I say they have a big fan base because they get lots of press. Being on tv all over the country has done wonders for a fan base that until the last twenty years of the twentieth century wasn't that exceptional. The creation of the "lovable loser" Cubbie fans stereotype came with WGN and all the cameras panning over the bleacher bums. To say that Cubs fans are more devoted than fans in other cities with equally long baseball history is just self-promotion. When it comes down to it as a whole, any group of fans is nothing more than a random sampling of people, and so the only thing that makes them different is team history and location. Storied franchises and/or franchises based in big cities will naturally have more fanatical fans or just more fans in general.

 

I would say that journalists should give the most attention to the best story. This year, the White Sox are certainly more interesting and more exceptional than the Cubs, and should be getting the press they deserve for it. But because money talks louder than journalistic integrity, we'll hear about the Cubs at the beginning of sportscenter (well, right after the yankees and red sox) all year long.

[Brian]

White Sox games are meaningless right now, they are chasing no one, and no one is close to them. The story is they are pretty good and it's been told. Their games are being shown on ESPN (today, Sunday... their 2nd Sunday night game (at least) just as many as the Cubs). Another thing is they have no "stars", they have Buehrle & Garland and they are talked about as two of the best pitchers in the game. After that you have a bunch of relative no names, and sorry most are not interesting enough to try to sell.

[imb]

yeah, come to a cubs messageboard and cry about not getting enough attention.

 

I dont think you thought this cunning plan all the way through.

[Strife]

IMB,

 

my cards are getting plenty of attention: we also have an enormous fan base, you see, plus we've actually done some things to deserve the media focus.

 

I was just defending White Sox fans b/c they're getting screwed over by the national and local media.

[imb]

Ehh, well, that sounds like a lot of fun. Your team is really good, you might have more fun actually talking about them with fellow fans that also feel the same way that you do, instead of going to a rival teams website to trash them and stick up for their rivals.

 

But I mean, whatever floats your boat.

[Sludgeworth21]

IMB,

 

my cards are getting plenty of attention: we also have an enormous fan base, you see, plus we've actually done some things to deserve the media focus.

 

I was just defending White Sox fans b/c they're getting screwed over by the national and local media.

 

You're right about the Cards. They do deserve all the accoledes they can get. As far as the Sox, yes they deserve a lot of attention this year, even moreso thatn the Cubs this year. The problem is that despite their recent success, all they can think about is obsessing over the team that plays on the north side of town and in a different league. And this mentality starts from the top of the organization and trickles all the way down to their fan base. Look at their recent promos. Especially last year's Us vs. Them ad.

 

The Sox do have the best record in baseball….and yet all they do is bitch about the Cubs. Ask any Sox fan who thy'd rather see lose, the Twins or the Cubs. The inferiority complex they have was cute at first, but now it’s just annoying. Nobody cares about them because they’re the whiniest bitches in baseball.

[nolanwood]

IMB,

 

my cards are getting plenty of attention: we also have an enormous fan base, you see, plus we've actually done some things to deserve the media focus.

 

I was just defending White Sox fans b/c they're getting screwed over by the national and local media.

 

 

Interesting - well, I wouldn't neccessarily refer to the Cards fanbase as enormous .....maybe in few parts of the midwest and around St. Louis. Take a trip to the west coast and compare the amount of Cubs hats to Cards hats....I lived there for a long time, and never met a single Cards fan - yet ran into plenty of cub fans.

 

On a side note, I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day, who is a life-long diehard Cardinals fan. He was going on and on about he disgusted he was with the "bandwagon" cardinals fans......thought that was mighty interesting. Then, at last weeks matchup at Busch, I spent the entire game sandwiched between 2 ladies talking on their cellphones throughout the entire game.

 

"To say that Cubs fans are more devoted than fans in other cities with equally long baseball history is just self-promotion." - In retort to your statement I would have to say it takes ALOT more devotion to root for a losing team year in, year out than it does to root for one that wins all the time.

[Blueheart05]

don't flatter yourselves. The Sox are so far ahead in their division that the games have little meaning or importance anymore. So they need something to talk about, and you're it.

 

Dont flatter yourself. The bashing of the Cubs is nothing new and has existed during times when the Sox had no lead in their division and or were playing meaningful games. The fact remains that both White Sox players and their fans suffer from Napoleon syndrome.

[Tad]

When a team is as popular as the Cubs, they are always going to be faced with resentment. There are always going to be people that hate them just because of their popularity. Most of my encounters with fans of our crosstown rivals have been friendly. There's always a bit of joking and stuff, but I've never been in serious arguments or faced a lot of venom. There are always jerky fans. I've seen Cubs fans act like as big of jerks to Sox fans as Sox fans have acted to Cubs fans. It goes both ways. I've seen groups of 20-something Cubs fans, dressed in Cubs jerseys and hats, show up at US Cellular and loudly root against the Sox, no matter who the Sox are playing. I know that there is a ton of resentment in the Sox fan base against the Cubs and their fans. That's just the way it is. That's not going to change in the near future, either, so you might as well get used to it. The analysis here is going to be one-sided, anyway. "Sox fans are jealous and insecure and obsessed with the Cubs" is going to be the nature of most responses you get. Ask people on a Sox site why there are so many anti-Cubs threads and you will get something different.

 

By the way, the guy who sells the "Cubs Suck" shirts outside US Cellular also sells the "Sox Suck" shirts outside of Wrigley, or so I've been told.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

IMB,

 

my cards are getting plenty of attention: we also have an enormous fan base, you see, plus we've actually done some things to deserve the media focus.

 

I was just defending White Sox fans b/c they're getting screwed over by the national and local media.

 

 

Interesting - well, I wouldn't neccessarily refer to the Cards fanbase as enormous .....maybe in few parts of the midwest and around St. Louis. Take a trip to the west coast and compare the amount of Cubs hats to Cards hats....I lived there for a long time, and never met a single Cards fan - yet ran into plenty of cub fans.

 

On a side note, I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day, who is a life-long diehard Cardinals fan. He was going on and on about he disgusted he was with the "bandwagon" cardinals fans......thought that was mighty interesting. Then, at last weeks matchup at Busch, I spent the entire game sandwiched between 2 ladies talking on their cellphones throughout the entire game.

 

Not to hijack the trend but considering the size of st. louis their fan base is indeed enormous. I've been to cards games all over the U.S. and I've seen lots of cards fans.

 

Anyway I like the sox and I enjoy going to their games however I agree - they need to get over the cubs. Then again I'm a cards fan and I always check the Cards score then the Cubs score pretty much no matter what the standing are. :wink:

[Strife]

^^ agreed. The Cards are in the top 5 in road attendance every year, just like the Cubs.

[Sludgeworth21]

 

Anyway I like the sox and I enjoy going to their games however I agree - they need to get over the cubs. Then again I'm a cards fan and I always check the Cards score then the Cubs score pretty much no matter what the standing are. :wink:

 

And that's fine and good. I do the sam. Why? Because the Cubs and Cardinals have a (keyword here) rivalry. They play in the same division. The Sox and Cubs do not.

 

Unfortunately, the White Sox and their fans never got the memo.

[nolanwood]

^^ agreed. The Cards are in the top 5 in road attendance every year, just like the Cubs.

 

 

Interesting - well, I wonder if that's attributed to the recent rash of bandwagon fans my buddy was referring to despising. I've seen both teams play in various ballparks throughout the U.S all my life, and aside from Busch, Kauffman, and Florida (due to Spring Training) I have yet to see St Louis fans pour out at other stadiums in numbers that even half compare to what the Cubs bring. They may very well be in the top 5 in road attendance, but there must be a substantial drop after the first 3 teams.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Road attendence rates so far this year:

 

Cubs are averaging 82.0% capacity - 3rd in the majors VERY close to Boston and New York

 

Cardinals are averaging 64.7% capacity - 20th in the majors

 

White Sox are averaging 59.0% capacity - 28th in the majors. The only teams that draw more on the road are the Royals and Tigers. :shock:

 

The Cubs also lead in home attendence rate (% wise - Wrigley doesn't have the capacity of Yankee Stadium), and total attendence rate (% wise).

Cubs fans tend to take over opposing teams stadiums. i.e. - the 2003 playoffs when there was a very large contingent of Cubs fans in both Atlanta and Florida. Even at the Cardinal series this year, you could hear the Cubs fans just as loud as the Cards fans. San Diego wasn't even funny. We owned that stadium.

 

If you look at merchandise sales, the Cubs, Red Sox, and Yankees always dominate. The White Sox are usually towards the bottom.

 

The Cubs sell out every home game. The White Sox can't sell out a game unless they're playing the Cubs... AND THEY HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL!

 

That's why the Cubs get the media coverage. That's why ESPN covers the Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs more. More people care about the Cubs than the Sox. That may not be popular on the South Side, but it's true. Even Kruk pointed out earlier this year that the Sox had the best record in baseball, yet only drew 11,000 to a game. And he said that if he counted the people that actually showed up that day, it'd total about 5,000. For a team with the best record in baseball, that's just insane.

 

The Sox just have a bad inferiority complex. I think that if they eventually moved the team, that would change. But for the time being anyway, they are going to have to play second fiddle. You know it's bad when even their ad campaigns bash the Cubs. That "Us vs. Them" campaign was just pathetic. And if Ozzie Guillen can go one week without taking a shot at the Cubs, I'd be impressed. What's funny is, no one ever asks him anything about the Cubs, he just takes his slight cheap shot and goes about his business. Even Buerhle, who's having an amazing year and could've talked about anything he wanted, decides one day he's going to accuse one of the Cubs certain Hall of Fame pitchers of cheating. Would he have said that about Maddux if Greg was still a Brave? I highly doubt it.

 

I don't hate the Sox. I hate the Cardinals. And even then, I respect the hell out of the Cards because I'm a baseball fan. You have to respect a team that good. I respect the Sox this year, but they need to focus more on getting ready for the playoffs than on whats going on in Cubbieland.

[J.R.]

The seeds for the present-day Cardinal fanbase were sown back when KMOX was to the Cards what WGN and WTBS are to the Cubs and Braves.

 

Back in the day, the Cards were the westernmost team, and the western states became Cardinal Country by default thanks to the blowtorch that was/is 1120 AM. The fanbase is still big, but you don't see many new Card fans being minted outside of their market these days. It's mainly a generation-to-generation thing within families at this point.

 

Oh yeah, the Sox have historically had terrible radio/TV distribution. Thank God.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Road attendence rates so far this year:

 

Cubs are averaging 82.0% capacity - 3rd in the majors VERY close to Boston and New York

 

Cardinals are averaging 64.7% capacity - 20th in the majors

 

White Sox are averaging 59.0% capacity - 28th in the majors. The only teams that draw more on the road are the Royals and Tigers. :shock:

 

Wow I'm shocked by this, I would have thought the cards would do much better when their away. Not that I think your wrong or anything but I was wondering where you got these stats.

[JLucky]

Hello. First time I've posted here.

 

I am a White Sox fan, though I lurk around because I enjoy spirited discussions, and seeing what's going on with other teams, etc. I'm not a jerk, so I don't bother posting much, provoking fights, etc.

 

I just want to make one point that is important to note. SoxTalk is one of two primary Sox boards. The other is WhiteSoxInteractive.

 

SoxTalk is filled with a bunch of real immature fans, with the whole "Cubs Obsession" thing going on. WSI doesn't allow that, which makes for a much more intelligent board.

 

If you want to judge real Sox fans, SoxTalk is not the place to find them. That board is embarassing to me, as well.

[TruffleShuffle]

SoxTalk is filled with a bunch of real immature fans, with the whole "Cubs Obsession" thing going on. WSI doesn't allow that, which makes for a much more intelligent board.

 

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=2f2ea1ab6bf3a9ffa8fb4b9542b78b40&f=18

 

 

"Loserville - Home of the Urinal" - sounds like a bastion of intelligent thinking, if you ask me! :lol:

 

Welcome aboard, by the way.

[JLucky]

"Loserville - Home of the Urinal" - sounds like a bastion of intelligent thinking, if you ask me! :lol:

 

On balance, now.

 

Put it this way. There is as much dislike for the Cubs there as there is for the Sox here. Neither has an "obsession". Obviously there are plenty of barbs towards some of our... lets say... more tatooed fans.

 

SoxTalk does have an obsession, if you can wade through the posts of people who just like to see swear words on their screen for the sake of seeing swear words on their screen.

[J.R.]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/headers/score.jpg

 

I thought it was funny as hell until I noticed the scoreboard shot. Whoever included that has no concept of human suffering and deserves the same fate someday - seeing the sum of his baseball hopes and dreams flushed in a matter of minutes.

 

There is nothing like that here at NSBB. WSI is as big a bastion of bastards as any other Sox board.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/headers/score.jpg

 

I thought it was funny as hell until I noticed the scoreboard shot. Whoever included that has no concept of human suffering and deserves the same fate someday - seeing the sum of his baseball hopes and dreams flushed in a matter of minutes.

 

There is nothing like that here at NSBB. WSI is as big a bastion of bastards as any other Sox board.

 

Stealing bandwidth J.R.? How could you? :lmao:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

"Loserville - Home of the Urinal" - sounds like a bastion of intelligent thinking, if you ask me! :lol:

 

On balance, now.

 

Put it this way. There is as much dislike for the Cubs there as there is for the Sox here. Neither has an "obsession". Obviously there are plenty of barbs towards some of our... lets say... more tatooed fans.

 

SoxTalk does have an obsession, if you can wade through the posts of people who just like to see swear words on their screen for the sake of seeing swear words on their screen.

 

Like I said before, compare WSI to NSBB. See how many icons, sigs, avatars, usernames, and threads are devoted to being against the other team. It's not even close.

[J.R.]

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/headers/score.jpg

 

I thought it was funny as hell until I noticed the scoreboard shot. Whoever included that has no concept of human suffering and deserves the same fate someday - seeing the sum of his baseball hopes and dreams flushed in a matter of minutes.

 

There is nothing like that here at NSBB. WSI is as big a bastion of bastards as any other Sox board.

 

Stealing bandwidth J.R.? How could you? :lmao:

 

Dude, if I can look through your window and see the family photos for free, why should I have to pay WSI to look at theirs?

[JLucky]

Well... either way. I see as much anti-Sox stuff here as I see anti-Cub on WSI.

 

And as long as its not over the top, I don't have a problem with any of it. I think a certain extent of cheering agains the other team makes you a good fan... as long as it is not an obsession.

 

Anyhoo... I don't speak for WSI... don't really even like that board too much. The mods are a bit nutty.