Neifi's Approach

[rynesrevenge0206]

Looking through some baseball stats and I found that Neifi is 8th in the majors in air outs, but of the top 20 leaders in air outs, Neifi has the least amount of extra base hits.

 

I think it's time for Neifi to realize he has zero power and that he should try to get the ball on the ground more and try to find holes in the infiled, rather than the OF.

 

We can't have out weakest hitter popping out in 30% of his PA. And it's not like he's even coming close to the warning track with these outs....

 

:x

[10man]

Neifi has an approach to hitting?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Neifi's approach to hitting is swing really hard and hope for the best.

 

Addendum #1 to Neifi's approach: Peek at catcher to determine location whenever possible.

[jjgman21]

Neifi's approach to hitting is swing really hard and hope for the best.

 

Addendum #1 to Neifi's approach: Peek at catcher to determine location whenever possible.

 

and what's funny about that is his swing reminds me of Larry Bowa's in his Cub days. it's about as week as it gets.

 

 

 

Neifi needs to realize that his team would be much better off if he never took the bat off his shoulder and wore 100 lb. boots so he's not so adept at getting out of the way of the inside pitch. the one pitch he can hit as a lefty he's bailing out on 95% of the time. it drives me nuts. and some how he has a knack to GIDP when a strikeout would have been better and K or pop up when a GIDP ball would have been fine.

 

Neifi is second to bottom of all ML batting title qualified players in BB/PA. Pudge is worst (anyone really think not signing him was a mistake?). he's behind Corey, Jose Reyes, and Alfonso Soriano. he's nearly doubled his career total in HBP this year with 3. his P/PA is 5th lowest in all of baseball. He's allegedly fast, but is tied for 13th in GIDP when most of his ABs have come after the pitchers spot or Corey (the only middle infielder ahead of him is Renterria batting behind Damon's .400+ OBP).

 

last winter alot of people mentioned how, by some measures, Neifi is the worst hitter in 50 years or something like that. I was skeptical, but Neifi's made a believer out of me.

[illiniguy]

Neifi's approach to hitting is swing really hard and hope for the best.

 

Addendum #1 to Neifi's approach: Peek at catcher to determine location whenever possible.

 

and what's funny about that is his swing reminds me of Larry Bowa's in his Cub days. it's about as week as it gets.

 

 

 

Neifi needs to realize that his team would be much better off if he never took the bat off his shoulder and wore 100 lb. boots so he's not so adept at getting out of the way of the inside pitch. the one pitch he can hit as a lefty he's bailing out on 95% of the time. it drives me nuts. and some how he has a knack to GIDP when a strikeout would have been better and K or pop up when a GIDP ball would have been fine.

 

Neifi is second to bottom of all ML batting title qualified players in BB/PA. Pudge is worst (anyone really think not signing him was a mistake?). he's behind Corey, Jose Reyes, and Alfonso Soriano. he's nearly doubled his career total in HBP this year with 3. his P/PA is 5th lowest in all of baseball. He's allegedly fast, but is tied for 13th in GIDP when most of his ABs have come after the pitchers spot or Corey (the only middle infielder ahead of him is Renterria batting behind Damon's .400+ OBP).

 

last winter alot of people mentioned how, by some measures, Neifi is the worst hitter in 50 years or something like that. I was skeptical, but Neifi's made a believer out of me.

Oh yeah he is just horrible. Great stat, still doesn't take away that Pudge will be a hall of famer. Vlad Guerreo never walks unless it is intentional, but I bet you wouldn't want him either. :roll:

[treebird]

Oh yeah he is just horrible. Great stat, still doesn't take away that Pudge will be a hall of famer. Vlad Guerreo never walks unless it is intentional, but I bet you wouldn't want him either. :roll:

 

Pudge will be a hall-of-famer, but it won't be because of the great season he's had this year. .295/.305 is a freaking joke.

 

Vlad is .306/.360, not the same at all.

[illiniguy]

Oh yeah he is just horrible. Great stat, still doesn't take away that Pudge will be a hall of famer. Vlad Guerreo never walks unless it is intentional, but I bet you wouldn't want him either. :roll:

 

Pudge will be a hall-of-famer, but it won't be because of the great season he's had this year. .295/.305 is a freaking joke.

 

Vlad is .306/.360, not the same at all.

so would you rather have pudge a guy who on most accounts is a great defensive catcher who can call a good game, or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here? There is a reason all of the pitchers prefer pitching to Blanco. Yeah Pudge is having a down year but you can't tell me as an overall baseball player he has less value than what we have.

[Brian]

or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here?

 

I'm not calling him a defensive genius, but I know for a fact that he got a throw from Patterson last year on a sac fly attempt for a succesful 8-2 DP

[Buford T Justice]

If you remember back to when Nomar got injusred and Neifi became our SS. He was one of the only players on the who wasn't first pitching. He did have a good approach then. I don't know what happened to him??

[illiniguy]

or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here?

 

I'm not calling him a defensive genius, but I know for a fact that he got a throw from Patterson last year on a sac fly attempt for a succesful 8-2 DP

you sure it was him, or was it Bako? I swear I don't remember him catching much of anything.

[illiniguy]

or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here?

 

I'm not calling him a defensive genius, but I know for a fact that he got a throw from Patterson last year on a sac fly attempt for a succesful 8-2 DP

So last year when we would have gotten him, you don't think his .383 obp would have maybe helped us in the playoffs. This year is the first time in like what 10 that his obp isn't .340? Whereas Barrett has only had one year above that marker. I am happy with Barrett as our catcher with the stick, but for some to think we are geniuses for passing on Pudge is just ignorant. I am sure he would have won us 4-5 games more last year with just his game calling and defense, let alone his .383 obp. Hey that prolly gets us in the playoffs.

[XZero771679666304]

Neifi has an approach to hitting?

 

Yup. Steal some signs, swing, and hope he gets lucky.

[jjgman21]

or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here?

 

I'm not calling him a defensive genius, but I know for a fact that he got a throw from Patterson last year on a sac fly attempt for a succesful 8-2 DP

So last year when we would have gotten him, you don't think his .383 obp would have maybe helped us in the playoffs. This year is the first time in like what 10 that his obp isn't .340? Whereas Barrett has only had one year above that marker. I am happy with Barrett as our catcher with the stick, but for some to think we are geniuses for passing on Pudge is just ignorant. I am sure he would have won us 4-5 games more last year with just his game calling and defense, let alone his .383 obp. Hey that prolly gets us in the playoffs.

 

with Barrett's improvment defensively and offensively (keep in mind, his offensive numbers are kept down by a completely freakish stretch of bad luck hitting for the first month and a half), Rothschild calling half the pitches when he's catching anyway, and most importantly the difference in salary, I would rather have Barrett on the upswing of his career than Pudge on the downside of his.

 

I don't like Barrett's ability to take throws either and block the plate either, but the fact is the play at home happens rarely, and probably 95% of the time is a function of the outfielder's ability, not the catcher's.

 

but back to the topic

 

Gawd Neifi Perez sucks.

[CUBZ99]

Neifi's approach to hitting is swing really hard and hope for the best.

 

Addendum #1 to Neifi's approach: Peek at catcher to determine location whenever possible.

 

and what's funny about that is his swing reminds me of Larry Bowa's in his Cub days. it's about as week as it gets.

 

 

 

Neifi needs to realize that his team would be much better off if he never took the bat off his shoulder and wore 100 lb. boots so he's not so adept at getting out of the way of the inside pitch. the one pitch he can hit as a lefty he's bailing out on 95% of the time. it drives me nuts. and some how he has a knack to GIDP when a strikeout would have been better and K or pop up when a GIDP ball would have been fine.

 

Neifi is second to bottom of all ML batting title qualified players in BB/PA. Pudge is worst (anyone really think not signing him was a mistake?). he's behind Corey, Jose Reyes, and Alfonso Soriano. he's nearly doubled his career total in HBP this year with 3. his P/PA is 5th lowest in all of baseball. He's allegedly fast, but is tied for 13th in GIDP when most of his ABs have come after the pitchers spot or Corey (the only middle infielder ahead of him is Renterria batting behind Damon's .400+ OBP).

 

last winter alot of people mentioned how, by some measures, Neifi is the worst hitter in 50 years or something like that. I was skeptical, but Neifi's made a believer out of me.

 

I want to understand your statement better. Are you saying that based upon Neifi's BB/PA ratio and Flyball ratio that he is the worst hitter in 50 years?

 

If that is what your saying, that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I could name quite a few players off the top of my head that are vastly inferior to Neifi in the hitting department.

 

Sure Neifi is not the best hitter in baseball, but if you put certain numbers like BA/OBP up against Patterson, you will find that career wise Patterson has a worse BA and OBP than Neifi.

 

He is a backup SS hitting .260 something this year, not sure I understand all of the negativity directed toward him. #-o

[E.J.]

Neifi's approach to hitting is swing really hard and hope for the best.

 

Addendum #1 to Neifi's approach: Peek at catcher to determine location whenever possible.

 

and what's funny about that is his swing reminds me of Larry Bowa's in his Cub days. it's about as week as it gets.

 

 

 

Neifi needs to realize that his team would be much better off if he never took the bat off his shoulder and wore 100 lb. boots so he's not so adept at getting out of the way of the inside pitch. the one pitch he can hit as a lefty he's bailing out on 95% of the time. it drives me nuts. and some how he has a knack to GIDP when a strikeout would have been better and K or pop up when a GIDP ball would have been fine.

 

Neifi is second to bottom of all ML batting title qualified players in BB/PA. Pudge is worst (anyone really think not signing him was a mistake?). he's behind Corey, Jose Reyes, and Alfonso Soriano. he's nearly doubled his career total in HBP this year with 3. his P/PA is 5th lowest in all of baseball. He's allegedly fast, but is tied for 13th in GIDP when most of his ABs have come after the pitchers spot or Corey (the only middle infielder ahead of him is Renterria batting behind Damon's .400+ OBP).

 

last winter alot of people mentioned how, by some measures, Neifi is the worst hitter in 50 years or something like that. I was skeptical, but Neifi's made a believer out of me.

 

I want to understand your statement better. Are you saying that based upon Neifi's BB/PA ratio and Flyball ratio that he is the worst hitter in 50 years?

 

If that is what your saying, that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I could name quite a few players off the top of my head that are vastly inferior to Neifi in the hitting department.

 

Sure Neifi is not the best hitter in baseball, but if you put certain numbers like BA/OBP up against Patterson, you will find that career wise Patterson has a worse BA and OBP than Neifi.

 

He is a backup SS hitting .260 something this year, not sure I understand all of the negativity directed toward him. #-o

 

One more time: Neifi only gets on base 28% of the time. That's just not good at all. And it's kind of pointless comparing Neifi's numbers to Cpatt since the Cubs demoted him to AAA.

 

There's a rookie sitting on the Cubs' bench who was batting .370 in AAA. I think the biggest problem that people have is that Cedeno doesn't get any sort of shot. Dusty just keeps sending Neifi out there even though he's been abysmal since the beginning of May.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Actually I think he is wearing out. His hands look slower at the plate than they did early in the year. Occasionaly he will still get the bat head through the zone but more and more he drags it.

 

All in all about what one could expect with him playing every day so that Cedeno can be kept on the bench next to the water cooler so Dusty can be sure there will be someone there to get him water. :roll:

[illiniguy]

or would you rather have Michael Barrett who hasn't caught a throw clean from the outfiled in his two years here?

 

I'm not calling him a defensive genius, but I know for a fact that he got a throw from Patterson last year on a sac fly attempt for a succesful 8-2 DP

So last year when we would have gotten him, you don't think his .383 obp would have maybe helped us in the playoffs. This year is the first time in like what 10 that his obp isn't .340? Whereas Barrett has only had one year above that marker. I am happy with Barrett as our catcher with the stick, but for some to think we are geniuses for passing on Pudge is just ignorant. I am sure he would have won us 4-5 games more last year with just his game calling and defense, let alone his .383 obp. Hey that prolly gets us in the playoffs.

 

with Barrett's improvment defensively and offensively (keep in mind, his offensive numbers are kept down by a completely freakish stretch of bad luck hitting for the first month and a half), Rothschild calling half the pitches when he's catching anyway, and most importantly the difference in salary, I would rather have Barrett on the upswing of his career than Pudge on the downside of his.

 

I don't like Barrett's ability to take throws either and block the plate either, but the fact is the play at home happens rarely, and probably 95% of the time is a function of the outfielder's ability, not the catcher's.

 

but back to the topic

 

Gawd Neifi Perez sucks.

Yes he does, yes he does. I would rather have Ty Griffin playing everyday right now then Neifi Perez. I am only half kidding.

[Guest]

I want to understand your statement better. Are you saying that based upon Neifi's BB/PA ratio and Flyball ratio that he is the worst hitter in 50 years?

 

If that is what your saying, that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I could name quite a few players off the top of my head that are vastly inferior to Neifi in the hitting department.

 

Sure Neifi is not the best hitter in baseball, but if you put certain numbers like BA/OBP up against Patterson, you will find that career wise Patterson has a worse BA and OBP than Neifi.

 

He is a backup SS hitting .260 something this year, not sure I understand all of the negativity directed toward him. #-o

Neif is one of the worst hitters in MLB history due to a combination of factors; his terribly low production numbers and the amount of playing time he somehow manages to get. Neifi's rate stats are deplorable, but what really kills him is that playing time. Most/all players who are as futile at the plate as Neifi never even make the major leagues and those few that do see the show tend to be bench warmers on third-rate teams. For whatever reason, (poorly constructed team/foolish manager/injuries) Neifi has lucked into starting roles pretty much everywhere he's played. This has gotten him enough AB's to cost his teams about 190 runs compared to the production an average hitter would have put up in his place.

 

That's bad, but I say that he's not yet to the point of being called the worst hitter in the last 50 years. That title firmly belongs to Ozzie Guillen, who cost his teams about 250 runs over the course of his career.

[jjgman21]

the 'worst hitter in 50 years' was not my statement. it was a common issue of discussion before the season started, and was pulled from some statistical analysis or article from one of the services.

 

someone help us out. where'd this come from?

[Chris]

Phew, I thought this was about a book announcement :wink:

[TruffleShuffle]

It almost takes a conscious effort NOT to walk to be a regular player for about 80 games and still not have double-digit walks.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I want to understand your statement better. Are you saying that based upon Neifi's BB/PA ratio and Flyball ratio that he is the worst hitter in 50 years?

 

If that is what your saying, that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I could name quite a few players off the top of my head that are vastly inferior to Neifi in the hitting department.

 

Sure Neifi is not the best hitter in baseball, but if you put certain numbers like BA/OBP up against Patterson, you will find that career wise Patterson has a worse BA and OBP than Neifi.

 

He is a backup SS hitting .260 something this year, not sure I understand all of the negativity directed toward him. #-o

Neif is one of the worst hitters in MLB history due to a combination of factors; his terribly low production numbers and the amount of playing time he somehow manages to get. Neifi's rate stats are deplorable, but what really kills him is that playing time. Most/all players who are as futile at the plate as Neifi never even make the major leagues and those few that do see the show tend to be bench warmers on third-rate teams. For whatever reason, (poorly constructed team/foolish manager/injuries) Neifi has lucked into starting roles pretty much everywhere he's played. This has gotten him enough AB's to cost his teams about 190 runs compared to the production an average hitter would have put up in his place.

 

That's bad, but I say that he's not yet to the point of being called the worst hitter in the last 50 years. That title firmly belongs to Ozzie Guillen, who cost his teams about 250 runs over the course of his career.

 

 

What about a contribution defensively? Would Guillen have made up those 250 lost runs by contributing to taking away as many by playing defense? Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering if that can be measured also?

[AAApittsburgh]

I want to understand your statement better. Are you saying that based upon Neifi's BB/PA ratio and Flyball ratio that he is the worst hitter in 50 years?

 

If that is what your saying, that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I could name quite a few players off the top of my head that are vastly inferior to Neifi in the hitting department.

 

Sure Neifi is not the best hitter in baseball, but if you put certain numbers like BA/OBP up against Patterson, you will find that career wise Patterson has a worse BA and OBP than Neifi.

 

He is a backup SS hitting .260 something this year, not sure I understand all of the negativity directed toward him. #-o

Neif is one of the worst hitters in MLB history due to a combination of factors; his terribly low production numbers and the amount of playing time he somehow manages to get. Neifi's rate stats are deplorable, but what really kills him is that playing time. Most/all players who are as futile at the plate as Neifi never even make the major leagues and those few that do see the show tend to be bench warmers on third-rate teams. For whatever reason, (poorly constructed team/foolish manager/injuries) Neifi has lucked into starting roles pretty much everywhere he's played. This has gotten him enough AB's to cost his teams about 190 runs compared to the production an average hitter would have put up in his place.

 

That's bad, but I say that he's not yet to the point of being called the worst hitter in the last 50 years. That title firmly belongs to Ozzie Guillen, who cost his teams about 250 runs over the course of his career.

 

 

What about a contribution defensively? Would Guillen have made up those 250 lost runs by contributing to taking away as many by playing defense? Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering if that can be measured also?

No, not even close.

[sethuel1]

What about a contribution defensively? Would Guillen have made up those 250 lost runs by contributing to taking away as many by playing defense? Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering if that can be measured also?

 

it can, and has. By Bill James. The answer is no.

[Chris]

bump for the grand slam!