Trade Deadline Wishlists

[mjued926]

1. Aubrey Huff

2. Billy Wagner

3. Bobby Abreu

4. Griffey (assuming half of his contract is eaten)

5. BJ Ryan

 

 

It's a wishlist, right? Not a probable moves list.

 

How could Abreu not be ahead of Huff, Abreu is having an enormous season only overshadowed by DLee.

 

1) Abreu

2) Wagner (God could we use a reliable lefty)

3) Griffey (If Cincy eats 90% of his contract)

4) BJ Ryan

5) Huff

[Clogged Basepaths]

I don't understand the fascination with Huff. He's older, slower and worse at defense than Dunn. Does he seem like he'd be easier to obtain? Because it seems to me that the opposite is the case.

 

I would probably fall over if BJ Ryan got dealt. Same goes for Abreu, or Griffey (he leaks!).

[Backtobanks]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

 

Agreed . A lot of peolpe on this board are on the verge of ODing on the stats only the arm chair gm's care about.

 

Amen on that one. I'm getting tired of reading about some obscure stats as to why Adam Dunn is the second coming of Babe Ruth, when all I see is a Dave Kingman who walks a lot. Also, all of the people who discount W/L as an important statistic for a starting pitcher. The object is to win games. I would take my chances on trading for Kearns (at a lesser price) than Dunn anyday of the week.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I don't understand the fascination with Huff. He's older, slower and worse at defense than Dunn. Does he seem like he'd be easier to obtain? Because it seems to me that the opposite is the case.

 

I would probably fall over if BJ Ryan got dealt. Same goes for Abreu, or Griffey (he leaks!).

Umm... the 50 points of batting average. The versatility. The alarmingly lower K rate.

 

OBP aside, I don't understand the fascination with Dunn.

[AAApittsburgh]

Amen on that one. I'm getting tired of reading about some obscure stats as to why Adam Dunn is the second coming of Babe Ruth, when all I see is a Dave Kingman who walks a lot. Also, all of the people who discount W/L as an important statistic for a starting pitcher. The object is to win games. I would take my chances on trading for Kearns (at a lesser price) than Dunn anyday of the week.

I'm not sure Kearns price would be a lot lower. His value is low and he's not making a lot of money, so I don't know why the Reds have any motivation to trade him right now. Cubs would end up overpaying for him. At least with Dunn you know what you're getting.

[Backtobanks]

Amen on that one. I'm getting tired of reading about some obscure stats as to why Adam Dunn is the second coming of Babe Ruth, when all I see is a Dave Kingman who walks a lot. Also, all of the people who discount W/L as an important statistic for a starting pitcher. The object is to win games. I would take my chances on trading for Kearns (at a lesser price) than Dunn anyday of the week.

I'm not sure Kearns price would be a lot lower. His value is low and he's not making a lot of money, so I don't know why the Reds have any motivation to trade him right now. Cubs would end up overpaying for him. At least with Dunn you know what you're getting.

 

I would think that Kearns (especially when he was in the minors) could have been had for Mitre with a little tinkering on both sides. Mitre's sinker is what's needed in Great America Ball Park. Whatever the deal would be, I think it would be significantly lower than 3-4 players you would have to offer in the Dunn bidding war.

[David]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

 

Agreed . A lot of peolpe on this board are on the verge of ODing on the stats only the arm chair gm's care about.

 

Amen on that one. I'm getting tired of reading about some obscure stats as to why Adam Dunn is the second coming of Babe Ruth, when all I see is a Dave Kingman who walks a lot. Also, all of the people who discount W/L as an important statistic for a starting pitcher. The object is to win games. I would take my chances on trading for Kearns (at a lesser price) than Dunn anyday of the week.

 

So did Shawn Estes have a better season than Randy Johnson last year? (Yes, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point very well.. and YES, I did have someone answer affirmatively to this in an argument last year :shock: )

[Clogged Basepaths]

I don't understand the fascination with Huff. He's older, slower and worse at defense than Dunn. Does he seem like he'd be easier to obtain? Because it seems to me that the opposite is the case.

 

I would probably fall over if BJ Ryan got dealt. Same goes for Abreu, or Griffey (he leaks!).

Umm... the 50 points of batting average. The versatility. The alarmingly lower K rate.

 

OBP aside, I don't understand the fascination with Dunn.

 

Huff plays RF/LF/1B (poorly), so does Dunn, I don't see how that's a plus to him when you are comparing him to Dunn. If you're going to look at #s, try Slug% or HRs.

 

As I previously mentioned, Huff would be extremely difficult to deal for, at least the Reds operate in this universe. After the Kazmir trade, the DRays seemingly operate in a parallel one.

[XZero771679666304]

So did Shawn Estes have a better season than Randy Johnson last year? (Yes, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point very well.. and YES, I did have someone answer affirmatively to this in an argument last year :shock: )

 

I look at it this way: No matter how good a pitcher is, he simply cannot win a ball game by himself. All he can do is hold the other team down as best as he can and hope his offense can win the game. Many good pitchers win relatively few games because their team sucks, and many mediocre pitchers win a lot of games because their team has a powerhouse offense. Any pitchers win-loss record must be viewed in the context of their teams quality.

 

Wins are totally a team stat, and a pitchers win total is simply the most overrated stat in baseball.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

A lot of peolpe on this board are on the verge of ODing on the stats only the arm chair gm's care about.

 

The people(myself included) have explained the reasons that they think certain stats are more important than others. BK has made some great posts especially on the topic. Can you please explain that comment?

[David]

So did Shawn Estes have a better season than Randy Johnson last year? (Yes, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point very well.. and YES, I did have someone answer affirmatively to this in an argument last year :shock: )

 

I look at it this way: No matter how good a pitcher is, he simply cannot win a ball game by himself. All he can do is hold the other team down as best as he can and hope his offense can win the game. Many good pitchers win relatively few games because their team sucks, and many mediocre pitchers win a lot of games because their team has a powerhouse offense. Any pitchers win-loss record must be viewed in the context of their teams quality.

 

Wins are totally a team stat, and a pitchers win total is simply the most overrated stat in baseball.

 

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[Clogged Basepaths]

So did Shawn Estes have a better season than Randy Johnson last year? (Yes, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point very well.. and YES, I did have someone answer affirmatively to this in an argument last year :shock: )

 

I look at it this way: No matter how good a pitcher is, he simply cannot win a ball game by himself. All he can do is hold the other team down as best as he can and hope his offense can win the game. Many good pitchers win relatively few games because their team sucks, and many mediocre pitchers win a lot of games because their team has a powerhouse offense. Any pitchers win-loss record must be viewed in the context of their teams quality.

 

Wins are totally a team stat, and a pitchers win total is simply the most overrated stat in baseball.

 

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

I second that.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I don't understand the fascination with Huff. He's older, slower and worse at defense than Dunn. Does he seem like he'd be easier to obtain? Because it seems to me that the opposite is the case.

 

I would probably fall over if BJ Ryan got dealt. Same goes for Abreu, or Griffey (he leaks!).

Umm... the 50 points of batting average. The versatility. The alarmingly lower K rate.

 

OBP aside, I don't understand the fascination with Dunn.

 

Huff plays RF/LF/1B (poorly), so does Dunn, I don't see how that's a plus to him when you are comparing him to Dunn. If you're going to look at #s, try Slug% or HRs.

 

As I previously mentioned, Huff would be extremely difficult to deal for, at least the Reds operate in this universe. After the Kazmir trade, the DRays seemingly operate in a parallel one.

Huff also plays 3b. Another reason to cut Macias.

 

What deals since the Kazmir trade have led you to believe that they're expecting the ability to rob other teams blind? By that same logic the Cubs won't make any trades because we robbed the Pirates for Ramirez.

[sporrer17]

1. Adam Dunn--40 HR power, .380+ OBP, LH, 25 years old...could be a cornerstone here...

2. Austin Kearns--30 HR power, also great OBP, also 25 years old, a bit faster and better defensively than Dunn. Not as proven as Dunn in the bigs, but tons of talent.

3. Scott Eyre--LH setup man with low ERA, low WHIP.

 

If we acquire a Kearns like LF...that gives us a guy who can stick around for a least another year in LF/RF, give us a spot to develop a younger guy in LF/CF (Murton/Pie) and sign a big name player (if there were any) in one of the spots.

 

I like Kearns probably as much as Dunn, potential wise, because I think Dunn is reaching his peak, because with those K's he'll never hit for a high average.

[fromthestretch]

Amen on that one. I'm getting tired of reading about some obscure stats as to why Adam Dunn is the second coming of Babe Ruth, when all I see is a Dave Kingman who walks a lot. Also, all of the people who discount W/L as an important statistic for a starting pitcher. The object is to win games. I would take my chances on trading for Kearns (at a lesser price) than Dunn anyday of the week.

 

You don't win games without run support and some adequate defense behind you...and some help from the bullpen to hold leads. If pitchers could win games on their own, then Nolan Ryan doesn't go 8-16 in 1987 while leading the league in ERA at 2.76...Randy Johnson doesn't lose 14 games while finishing second in the league in ERA last year at 2.60...Roger Clemens doesn't have eight no-decisions in 19 starts this season with a 1.47 ERA and a .189 opponent's batting average.

 

What you want from a starter is someone that gives you the best chance to win games on a consistent basis. I don't think anyone can argue against the fact that Clemens given the Astros a better chance to win more games than Brandon Backe has. But Backe has eight wins with a 4.87 ERA, while Clemens has seven wins while allowing 3.4 FEWER earned runs per game. A pitcher can't be expected to drive in all the runs, field all the groundballs/flyballs, or even go nine innings everytime out. His team's offense, defense, and bullpen need to do their parts, too.

[CardinalKiller]

I can't think of any other player In Baseball that I'd rather have than Carl Crawford.

 

I know there is no chance the Cubs will get him but If your going to wish ,Wish BIG.

[CubsWin]

I'm not as sold as some are on Kearns. I know he has a lot of talent, but so does Corey Patterson.

 

My wishlist consists of Adam Dunn and Jesse Crain. If he is healthy, David Weathers would be a nice addition as well.

[CoolHandLuke]

a big NO to Carl Crawford.

[imb]

Eh, I like Crawford. His ability to get himself to second negates a little bit of his OBP deficiency.

[muntjack]

So did Shawn Estes have a better season than Randy Johnson last year? (Yes, this is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point very well.. and YES, I did have someone answer affirmatively to this in an argument last year :shock: )

 

I look at it this way: No matter how good a pitcher is, he simply cannot win a ball game by himself. All he can do is hold the other team down as best as he can and hope his offense can win the game. Many good pitchers win relatively few games because their team sucks, and many mediocre pitchers win a lot of games because their team has a powerhouse offense. Any pitchers win-loss record must be viewed in the context of their teams quality.

 

Wins are totally a team stat, and a pitchers win total is simply the most overrated stat in baseball.

 

Um... I've seen Zambrano do exactly that.