Trade Deadline Wishlists

[Clogged Basepaths]

With it approaching, who are you hoping for?

Mine would be

 

Realistic wishlist:

1. Dunn

2. MacDougal - RHP, KC

3. Grabow - LHP, Pit

 

The "If I were G.M." wishlist:

1. Dunn - still a no-brainer

2. Joey Gathright

3. Mike Gonzalez

 

The Anti-wishlist:

1. Preston Wilson - phew

2. Mark Kotsay - phew

3. Juan Pierre - worried about that one

 

The Kenny Williams wishlist:

1. Roberto Alomar - 3rd time's the charm

2. Carl Everett - who says I can't trade for my own players?

3. Todd Ritchie - I never get tired of that one

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

1. Danys Baez

2. MacDougal

3. Cedeno to start over Neifi :D

 

 

Wait, you said 'realisitic' didn't you? Axe #3 in that case. :lol:

[Larry Horse]

With it approaching, who are you hoping for?

Mine would be

 

The Kenny Williams wishlist:

1. Roberto Alomar - 3rd time's the charm

2. Carl Everett - who says I can't trade for my own players?

3. Todd Ritchie - I never get tired of that one

 

I am in no way going to bash Kenny Williams. Exec of the Year in my opinion......

[Transmogrified Tiger]

With it approaching, who are you hoping for?

Mine would be

 

Realistic wishlist:

1. Dunn

2. MacDougal - RHP, KC

3. Grabow - LHP, Pit

 

The "If I were G.M." wishlist:

1. Dunn - still a no-brainer

2. Joey Gathright

3. Mike Gonzalez

 

The Anti-wishlist:

1. Preston Wilson - phew

2. Mark Kotsay - phew

3. Juan Pierre - worried about that one

 

The Kenny Williams wishlist:

1. Roberto Alomar - 3rd time's the charm

2. Carl Everett - who says I can't trade for my own players?

3. Todd Ritchie - I never get tired of that one

 

1. Duh

2. Very pronounced Home/Road splits. I'm really wary of acquiring him.

3. Looks like a good LOOGY, but Ohman has been doing the job as well as Grabow.

 

1. Still duh. Wouldn't trade Hill for him straight up? Ugh.

2. Love the speed, don't like the lack of power. If we get a TB OF, I'd like Gomes. A lot.

3. Injury troubles this year, probably would cost more than his value to acquire. Regressed some this year.

 

1. Phew indeed

2. Wouldn't have minded him, but not devastated he's gone

3. Also worried, but Miles said that there wasn't anything going on involving Pierre.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

With it approaching, who are you hoping for?

Mine would be

 

The Kenny Williams wishlist:

1. Roberto Alomar - 3rd time's the charm

2. Carl Everett - who says I can't trade for my own players?

3. Todd Ritchie - I never get tired of that one

 

I am in no way going to bash Kenny Williams. Exec of the Year in my opinion......

 

He has done a good job, but in no way has anything been determined yet. I don't think the White Sox are built to succeed in the playoffs, just my opinion. A 1st round exit would not suprise me one bit. If anyone in the front office deserves the credit, it is Ozzie Guillen, he is the main reason the White Sox are were they are, not K.Williams.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

[CubsFan4Life]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .270 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

[nick23]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

[AAApittsburgh]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

Preston Wilson drove in 141 runs one year. He's awesome.

[nick23]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

Preston Wilson drove in 141 runs one year. He's awesome.

He was that year. Go back and chek his stats. Plus he's had major knee surgery since then. Great point though.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

1. Aubrey Huff

2. Juan Pierre

3. Jason Dubois (Bring him back Jim!)

 

And regarding Kenny Williams: I think he's done a great job so far, but the playoffs are where we'll see what kind of a team he's put together. So far he's following the Bulls formula... No real huge stars, just a bunch of decent to above average guys who play well together.

[swordsman]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

RBI's aren't an individual stat though. Except for HR, they depend on people being on base in front of you. I'm not sure why people don't like HR other than perhaps that in the absence of the OBP info, they often are indiciative of an all or nothing approach at the plate.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

Sure home runs are great, but in evaluating a player I prefer things that take in the full picture. If a guy hits 20 HR, and hits only 5 doubles, he's not that great at "advancing players along the bases" the point BK alluded to earlier. If a guy has 20 HR and 30 doubles, he's obviously much better at this. How do we take that into account? SLG is a good crude measure as BK said before. If you don't know how a particular stat is measured, feel free to ask. In this case, Runs Created can be calculated many different ways. The RC I was using in those comparisons is what they use at The Hardball Times, which includes some situational hitting and includes Park Factors. Here's a basic definition of RC: (H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total Bases + .26(TBB - IBB + HBP) + .52(SH + SF + SB)) divided by (AB + TBB + HBP + SH + SF).

[nick23]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

Sure home runs are great, but in evaluating a player I prefer things that take in the full picture. If a guy hits 20 HR, and hits only 5 doubles, he's not that great at "advancing players along the bases" the point BK alluded to earlier. If a guy has 20 HR and 30 doubles, he's obviously much better at this. How do we take that into account? SLG is a good crude measure as BK said before. If you don't know how a particular stat is measured, feel free to ask. In this case, Runs Created can be calculated many different ways. The RC I was using in those comparisons is what they use at The Hardball Times, which includes some situational hitting and includes Park Factors. Here's a basic definition of RC: (H + BB + HBP - CS - GIDP) times (Total Bases + .26(TBB - IBB + HBP) + .52(SH + SF + SB)) divided by (AB + TBB + HBP + SH + SF).

Thanks for the definition. But if you're so big on advancing runners along the bases, I would think RBI's or (advancing runners past home plate) should be pretty important to you as well.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Thanks for the definition. But if you're so big on advancing runners along the bases, I would think RBI's or (advancing runners past home plate) should be pretty important to you as well.

 

The problem with using RBI is that there are too many factors outside a hitter's control for it to be useful. If one guy only has 30 men to drive in for a period of time and drives in 20, is he just as good as the guy who drove in 20 but had 50 men to drive in? Two players on different teams could do the exact same thing in every at bat and have drastically different RBI totals, because they are dependent on the player's teammates.

[UK1679666180]

While trying to improve the team and not sell the "farm".

 

Raul Ibanez (Sea) #6 type hitter for LF and Rafeal Betancourt (Clev.) set-up reliever.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

While trying to improve the team and not sell the "farm".

 

Raul Ibanez (Sea) #6 type hitter for LF and Rafeal Betancourt (Clev.) set-up reliever.

 

I really like Betancourt(have for over a year now). What do you think of his suspension for steroids?

[nick23]

Thanks for the definition. But if you're so big on advancing runners along the bases, I would think RBI's or (advancing runners past home plate) should be pretty important to you as well.

 

The problem with using RBI is that there are too many factors outside a hitter's control for it to be useful. If one guy only has 30 men to drive in for a period of time and drives in 20, is he just as good as the guy who drove in 20 but had 50 men to drive in? Two players on different teams could do the exact same thing in every at bat and have drastically different RBI totals, because they are dependent on the player's teammates.

But the only problem with using stats like Slg% and OPS is yeah those stats look real nice at the end of the year. But did he do it when it meant something. Say a guy has a slg% of .569 and an Ops of .957, we'd all agree those are great numbers. But how many times did he get the runner in from 3rd with less than two outs. How many 2 out rbi did he have that year. Those stats don't tell you those things. But the guy that finishes the year with 150 rbi tells me that when a run was needed to be driven in, more times than not he got it done. That's what I want out of my cleanup hitter. Not a fancy Slg, and Obp at the end of the season.

[UK1679666180]

Hard to tell from my point of view, but steroids for pitchers is a negative more than a positive as far as adding velocity from the arms/shoulders. If it added strength in his legs, then it might mean something, but it still more from the quickness of the hips/torso rotation as far as velocity (see Oswalt).

 

It's gamble as far as him being smart enough to not take what he was taking before (steroids or part of a supplement that trigged the positive result) and face an extreme amount of suspension time. As far as his future results being impacted, I would put it as a nominal concern.

[Clogged Basepaths]

With it approaching, who are you hoping for?

Mine would be

 

Realistic wishlist:

1. Dunn

2. MacDougal - RHP, KC

3. Grabow - LHP, Pit

 

The "If I were G.M." wishlist:

1. Dunn - still a no-brainer

2. Joey Gathright

3. Mike Gonzalez

 

The Anti-wishlist:

1. Preston Wilson - phew

2. Mark Kotsay - phew

3. Juan Pierre - worried about that one

 

The Kenny Williams wishlist:

1. Roberto Alomar - 3rd time's the charm

2. Carl Everett - who says I can't trade for my own players?

3. Todd Ritchie - I never get tired of that one

 

1. Duh

2. Very pronounced Home/Road splits. I'm really wary of acquiring him.

3. Looks like a good LOOGY, but Ohman has been doing the job as well as Grabow.

 

1. Still duh. Wouldn't trade Hill for him straight up? Ugh.

2. Love the speed, don't like the lack of power. If we get a TB OF, I'd like Gomes. A lot.

3. Injury troubles this year, probably would cost more than his value to acquire. Regressed some this year.

 

1. Phew indeed

2. Wouldn't have minded him, but not devastated he's gone

3. Also worried, but Miles said that there wasn't anything going on involving Pierre.

 

Gathright, I was thinking of based on the presumption that Baker is just biding his time (and putting out propoganda like 'he misses signs') until he benches Hairston again. He'd solve leadoff, permanently. And I also agree with you on Gomes, the DRays don't appreciate his potential I don't think. Gonzalez has had injuries this year, but it is all a knee injury. Nothing to do with his pitching, but he was pitching with it (because it isn't that serious) and it caused him to have poor control/lose a little velocity. I'd still take him after his knee healed up.

MacDougal I'm not crazy about, but I'm happier that Hendry is looking at younger guys as opposed to adding 35+ year olds as a stopgap.

 

Also, to all the Kenny Williams sycophants out there, there is really one reason the team is in first - pitching. Their #5 starter (thanks ed) is leading the AL in wins. All of the acquisitions he's made for this year, have been fairly mediocre (would you really rather have podsednik than lee???), Iguchi was a fluke/steal that they almost didn't make because he wanted an extra $250,000. El Duque is hurt (surprise!) Jermaine Dye has been a poor signing when you look at the contract (length especially) and numbers Burnitz has put up. It's half luck, just like we were lucky the Brewers didn't take our offer on Kolb.

[Clogged Basepaths]

The Carlos Lee argument raises an interesting question:

Does he rake insanely in Wrigley because...

A) He just eats Cubs pitching

B) Likes hitting in the park

C) To spite me

D) All of the above

[ManCrushOnNomar]

1. Aubrey Huff

2. Billy Wagner

3. Bobby Abreu

4. Griffey (assuming half of his contract is eaten)

5. BJ Ryan

 

 

It's a wishlist, right? Not a probable moves list.

[Neuby]

I'll play along, here goes...

 

1. Dunn

2. Alou

3. Carlos Lee (if the Brewers would move him.)

4. Floyd

5. L. Gonzalez

6. Ibanez

 

Why Carlos Lee? He's nothing special outside his RBI totals. I'd prefer every guy on that list to him.

 

Maybe b/c he'll hit for around a .290 avg, hit about 35 HR and drive in around 120+ RBI..... nothing special eh? I'd rather have Lee than any of those guys actually

 

The same Carlos Lee that's hitting .261? HR totals don't matter to me a ton, and RBI mean little to nothing to me. His lower OBP (albeit with a high SLG) diminishes his production. All 4 of those other guys create more runs than Lee.

This thinking is getting out of control. How can Rbi's and Hr's mean nothing. Some of you guys like to talk about runs created, and I have no idea how all that stuff works. What I do know is that the best way to create a run is to hit a homerun. I'll also take a guy with a 150 rbi over a guy with a 150 walks.

 

 

Agreed . A lot of peolpe on this board are on the verge of ODing on the stats only the arm chair gm's care about.