Minor League Stint Possible for Corey Patterson

[HoopsCubs]

ESPN AM 1000 baseball insider, Bruce Levine just reported (at 6:10 PM CDT) that his Cub sources are telling him that it is quite possible that Corey Patterson will be sent down to the minors in the next 1-2 days to work on swing adjustments and pitch selection. No timeframe given for how long he'll be there, if sent. Bruce said that as much as fans are clamoring for Hendry to trade him, Hendry realizes that Corey has very little trade value right now, so he has no immediate plans to deal him. Corey is in the line-up tonight, but if he has a disastrous night or two, that could cement the move by the week-end.

 

In other news, Bruce characterized the talks between the Cubs and Royals for Mike MacDougal as "serious." Cubs minor leaguers would be involved in any deal.

 

 

Hoops

[E.J.]

ESPN AM 1000 baseball insider, Bruce Levine just reported (at 6:10 PM CDT) that his Cub sources are telling him that it is quite possible that Corey Patterson will be sent down to the minors in the next 1-2 days to work on swing adjustments and pitch selection. No timeframe given for how long he'll be there, if sent. Bruce said that as much as fans are clamoring for Hendry to trade him, Hendry realizes that Corey has very little trade value right now, so he has no immediate plans to deal him. Corey is in the line-up tonight, but if he has a disastrous night or two, that could cement the move by the week-end.

 

In other news, Bruce characterized the talks between the Cubs and Royals for Mike MacDougal as "serious." Cubs minor leaguers would be involved in any deal.

 

 

Hoops

 

I thought he'd have to pass through waivers to be sent down? :chin:

[Post Count Padder]

ESPN AM 1000 baseball insider, Bruce Levine just reported (at 6:10 PM CDT) that his Cub sources are telling him that it is quite possible that Corey Patterson will be sent down to the minors in the next 1-2 days to work on swing adjustments and pitch selection. No timeframe given for how long he'll be there, if sent. Bruce said that as much as fans are clamoring for Hendry to trade him, Hendry realizes that Corey has very little trade value right now, so he has no immediate plans to deal him. Corey is in the line-up tonight, but if he has a disastrous night or two, that could cement the move by the week-end.

 

In other news, Bruce characterized the talks between the Cubs and Royals for Mike MacDougal as "serious." Cubs minor leaguers would be involved in any deal.

 

 

Hoops

Minor league stint? Well, guess that's the next best thing to trading him. Maybe he'll come back playing like he should be. As for MacDougal, I guess why not, as long as we dont give up any big prospects for him. Maybe we can talk Baird into taking Remmy and Macias off our hands.

[Post Count Padder]

Oh and by the way, I ventured over to the Royals message board for the hell of it and they're all goin crazy thinking we're giving up one of: Pie, Harvey, Dubois, Cedeno, Hill for MacDougal. I just had to laugh, and I just pray Jim isn't stupid enough to do something like that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Will we really be able to sneak him through waivers? Maybe someone with a better understanding of the process can explain how we can send him to the minors.

 

If it is possible, it is definitely a great idea. He's not helping the major league club and anything that could help him turn it around would be a good idea.

[hawkeyecub]

Will we really be able to sneak him through waivers? Maybe someone with a better understanding of the process can explain how we can send him to the minors.

 

If it is possible, it is definitely a great idea. He's not helping the major league club and anything that could help him turn it around would be a good idea.

 

I'm not sure about this, but I'm wondering if during the season he could be put on revocable waivers? Then if someone claimed him, we could pull it back and hang on to him. I've not heard of that happening during a season, I'm just throwing it out as a possibility.

 

It does seem like they sound fairly certain they could send him down without giving him up though, so I'm not sure.

[XZero771679666304]

Oh and by the way, I ventured over to the Royals message board for the hell of it and they're all goin crazy thinking we're giving up one of: Pie, Harvey, Dubois, Cedeno, Hill for MacDougal. I just had to laugh, and I just pray Jim isn't stupid enough to do something like that.

 

I trade Dubois for him, but no one else on that list. McDougal seems to be another guy with good stuff and erratic control. I'd give up Dubois and maybe Koronka for him, but thats as far as I would go. We need to save Mitre, Cedeno, etc. for an impact offensive player.

 

Pie, Harvey and Hill? Yeah right.

[Iceblink]

Oh and by the way, I ventured over to the Royals message board for the hell of it and they're all goin crazy thinking we're giving up one of: Pie, Harvey, Dubois, Cedeno, Hill for MacDougal. I just had to laugh, and I just pray Jim isn't stupid enough to do something like that.

 

Every team's fans do that. Look at the threads in this forum offering our spare parts for other teams' all stars. Unless Mac can draw walks like he used to give them out, he won't help us where we most need it.

[katway]

Oh and by the way, I ventured over to the Royals message board for the hell of it and they're all goin crazy thinking we're giving up one of: Pie, Harvey, Dubois, Cedeno, Hill for MacDougal. I just had to laugh, and I just pray Jim isn't stupid enough to do something like that.

 

Every team's fans do that. Look at the threads in this forum offering our spare parts for other teams' all stars. Unless Mac can draw walks like he used to give them out, he won't help us where we most need it.

 

I wouldn't mind givng them Dubois strait up. If you project Dubois numbers in the minors he would be among league leaders in strikeouts if he played everyday. Dubois' minor league numbers - 430 Ks in 456 games, a K every 3.8 AB.

[Guest]

I thought he'd have to pass through waivers to be sent down? :chin:

Without digging up my copy of the CBA, I don't think he would. Corey hasn't accumulated enough service time to refuse a minor-leauge assignement, and he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options. Due to the rapid pace at which he was moved through the system, I'm guessing he's got at least one option year left on his clock. (IIRC, options aren't used if a player spends the entire year on the 25-man roster or on one of the MLB disabled lists.)

 

In other news, I'm glad to hear Hendry finally seems to be getting the hang of the whole buy low/sell high concept.

[biittner77]

I thought he'd have to pass through waivers to be sent down? :chin:

Without digging up my copy of the CBA, I don't think he would. Corey hasn't accumulated enough service time to refuse a minor-leauge assignement, and he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options. Due to the rapid pace at which he was moved through the system, I'm guessing he's got at least one option year left on his clock. (IIRC, options aren't used if a player spends the entire year on the 25-man roster or on one of the MLB disabled lists.)

 

In other news, I'm glad to hear Hendry finally seems to be getting the hang of the whole buy low/sell high concept.

 

I always thought that the option clock lasts for 3 seasons since being called up to the majors. However, if the Cubs are actually considering sending him down then that must mean he doesn't need to clear waivers since someone would claim him.

[JeffH]

Without digging up my copy of the CBA, I don't think he would. Corey hasn't accumulated enough service time to refuse a minor-leauge assignement, and he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options.

 

It's not true that he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options.

 

Will Ohman had an option left this spring, but needed to be placed on and passed through revocable waivers before he could be sent to Iowa.

 

My guess is that the same thing applies to Corey. They'll try to pass him through waivers. If he clears, they'll option him to AAA. If he's claimed, they'll pull him back.

 

Remember that a team claiming him would have to put him on their active 25-man roster, plus pay the remainder of his salary (~$1.4). There might not be any teams willing to do both. He might clear.

[hawkeyecub]

Baseball Tonight just reported that we sent Corey down.

[Mizzou]

BBTN just reported that Patterson has in fact been sent down. No word on who was called up to replace him though.

[Jon]

So is it that they've lost faith in Gene Clines to work with him? Is it just because of the fans?

[Chris]

I hope he's coming to West Tenn, I'll so hang out with him

[GaryWoods]

So is it that they've lost faith in Gene Clines to work with him? Is it just because of the fans?

 

The strength of a good major league hitting coach (not necessarily acknowledging that Clines falls into that category, mind you) is in recognizing what a hitter does when he's doing well and reminding him to do those things when he's not doing so well.

 

Corey needs to go back to square one and reestablish his hitting style. That's much more easily done at the minor league level where winning is secondary to player development.

[Wheelimus]

Even if we have to put him on revocable waivers, at least we get to see who would claim him, and if we can maybe work out a deal...

[Omar]

:shock:

[Guest]

Without digging up my copy of the CBA, I don't think he would. Corey hasn't accumulated enough service time to refuse a minor-leauge assignement, and he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options.

 

It's not true that he'd only be exposed to the waiver process in question if he were out of options.

 

Will Ohman had an option left this spring, but needed to be placed on and passed through revocable waivers before he could be sent to Iowa.

 

My guess is that the same thing applies to Corey. They'll try to pass him through waivers. If he clears, they'll option him to AAA. If he's claimed, they'll pull him back.

 

Remember that a team claiming him would have to put him on their active 25-man roster, plus pay the remainder of his salary (~$1.4). There might not be any teams willing to do both. He might clear.

I just looked it up and we're both right. The waiver process I was referring to was the irrevocable waiver process. Corey would not be exposed to those as only players who are out of options (Corey still had two left coming into this season) or players removed from the 40-man are exposed to those. He did have to clear the revocable major-league options though, as all players with over three years of service time are exposed to those if they're optioned to the minor leagues. Players with over five years of service time can refuse a minor league assignement.

[Jon]

So is it that they've lost faith in Gene Clines to work with him? Is it just because of the fans?

 

The strength of a good major league hitting coach (not necessarily acknowledging that Clines falls into that category, mind you) is in recognizing what a hitter does when he's doing well and reminding him to do those things when he's not doing so well.

 

Corey needs to go back to square one and reestablish his hitting style. That's much more easily done at the minor league level where winning is secondary to player development.

To paraphrase Sonny Jackson's in his interview today (who's working with Corey only on his bunting), "we have no idea what's wrong with Corey."

 

I'd be more comfortable with them just admitting their mistake in trying to turn him into a leadoff hitter this offseason and saying that he's going to, as you said, go back to square one. We'll see what they do with him down there.