Cubs should not sign Bergman, represented by Boras, who wants a long term deal.

[Victor Reichman]

Bregman is an excellent player, now 30. He is represented by Boras who wants a 5-6 yr. deal. How did that work out with Bellinger, whom the Cubs dumped on only a 3 yr deal, getting virtually nothing for him in return. Bellinger is still a good player but in a salary dump, he was gone. Beyond foolish with so many good prospects like Shaw to enter into a long term deal. How did that work out for Heyward?  And tho I really like Tucker, he should never have been obtained without more than a 1 yr. rental guaranteed.

[Jason Ross]

26 minutes ago, Victor Reichman said:

Bregman is an excellent player, now 30. He is represented by Boras who wants a 5-6 yr. deal. How did that work out with Bellinger, whom the Cubs dumped on only a 3 yr deal, getting virtually nothing for him in return. Bellinger is still a good player but in a salary dump, he was gone. Beyond foolish with so many good prospects like Shaw to enter into a long term deal. How did that work out for Heyward?  And tho I really like Tucker, he should never have been obtained without more than a 1 yr. rental guaranteed.

The "we shouldn't have traded for Kyle Tucker with only 1 year" thing has been discussed to death. This is not the NBA where sign-and-trades happen at this magnitude. Betts and Lindor took months to get done, and Matt Olsen signed in his hometown growing up. This type of expectation is beyond the pale. Tucker may still be extended, but you either trade for him pre-extension or you just never trade for a 5 win player with 1 year. If he had more control the price would have been 2x.

Lastly, there is very little chance the Cubs will sign Bregman for a true long term deal, though complaining about Heyward here, and not noticing how good Swanson has worked out feels...weird. It's been reported over and over that the Cubs have extended creative deals, likely heavily opt-out laden. So that fear is almost entirely something you can shelve. It's a very small possibility.

[Bertz]

I don't want Bregman on a long term deal either, but wailing against that and then not even two sentences later saying the Tucker trade was a mistake because it didn't come with an extension is very funny to me.

[Victor Reichman]

2 hours ago, Bertz said:

I don't want Bregman on a long term deal either, but wailing against that and then not even two sentences later saying the Tucker trade was a mistake because it didn't come with an extension is very funny to me.

A 3 yr extension is what we should have obtained for Tucker instead of a 1 yr. rental. Not 5-6 years that Boras wants for Bergman. Big diff. betw. 3 and 5-6 yrs. I am totally against 1 yr rentals for big money.

[Bertz]

2 minutes ago, Victor Reichman said:

A 3 yr extension is what we should have obtained for Tucker instead of a 1 yr. rental. Not 5-6 years that Boras wants for Bergman. Big diff. betw. 3 and 5-6 yrs. I am totally against 1 yr rentals for big money.

Yeah just signed Kyle Tucker to a three year extension.  Of course.  Then trade Alexander Canario for Shohei Ohtani and pick up Bobby Witt Jr. off of waivers and then we'll really be cooking.

[Bertz]

I guess to engage with this idea with less snark, if you want a player the caliber of Kyle Tucker to settle for a 3 year deal, you likely have to pay him a humongous salary, in the vicinity of $70M per year. 

The reason teams offer these 6, 8, 12 year deals is not because they are dumb and don't realize the end of that contract will be ugly.  They offer them because they are a huge bargain in the first few years, and the team is willing to sacrifice some pain towards the end to get that bargain now.

You offer 6 years at $30M per year, and it's because you expect the player to be actually worth something like this

Year 1 - $50M

Year 2 - $40M

Year 3 - $35M

Year 4 - $25M

Year 5 - $20M

Year 6 - $10M

[We Got The Whole 9]

1 hour ago, Victor Reichman said:

A 3 yr extension is what we should have obtained for Tucker instead of a 1 yr. rental. Not 5-6 years that Boras wants for Bergman. Big diff. betw. 3 and 5-6 yrs. I am totally against 1 yr rentals for big money.

What friggin world do you live in dude. You're completely out of touch. 

[CubinNY]

Surprised Tom hasn’t poked in with a Boras the boogie man post. 
 

Scott Boras is or should be a hero to everyone who earns a paycheck with their labor. 

Edited February 8, 2025 by CubinNY

[BigbadB]

19 hours ago, Victor Reichman said:

A 3 yr extension is what we should have obtained for Tucker instead of a 1 yr. rental. Not 5-6 years that Boras wants for Bergman. Big diff. betw. 3 and 5-6 yrs. I am totally against 1 yr rentals for big money.

I think trading for Tucker and letting him get away without an extension will have been the wrong plan. But you weren't getting an extension pre-trade, period. Tucker knows his big pay day is next year and he should be planning on letting the bidding begin, unless the Cubs give him an offer that is too good to pass up. And they absolutely should give him that deal. And that is the one thing that makes trading for him on a one year deal worth it. You have all season to talk him into an extension he will want to sign.

Whether the Cubs brass have the cajones to drop that kind of coin remains to be seen. But if Tucker has a great year, it will be hard to just watch him walk, especially if he goes to a market that isn't as big as Chicago.

[Stratos]

Corey Seager and Trea Turner were around the calibre of player Tucker is (5 WAR-ish, maybe some would argue Tucker ages a little better based on his specific position/tools), so with inflation I expect something around 10 years and 360-400m for Tucker.

The Cubs probably need to get at or near the 400m number to get him i'd guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

Just want to keep this ridiculous thread title at the top of the list