Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[minnesotacubsfan]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

 

maddux gets the "he starts slow" pass

 

 

which he actually has for a long time now

[sandberg23]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

Yes, Greg didn't pitch well last night. Do you imply that just because Greg pitched poorly that it's okay for Dusty to not put the team in position to win later in the game? Had he not used Neifi in that situation, I think the opinion on here is that there were better/more reliable options on the bench to help the Cubs overcome Greg's poor pitching performance and come away with a win or at the minimum, a chance to go into extras.

[goonys evil twin]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

I don't quite get how Dusty only had "one questionable" move, he made a few absolutely terrible ones.

 

But I'm sick of Greg Maddux already. I though he had far too many disaster games last year, and he had another last night. 5 runs in 5 IP is inexcusable. Hopefully he can find a way to limit these terrible starts, and can improve on last season.

[ZZ Thorn]

I thought for the most part Maddux pitched pretty well. He had real great movement most of the night. If it wasn't for LuGo owning him we'd have won. Maddux wasn't great, but slow starter and all....

 

As long as we win tonight, 2 out of 3 on the road is very good. And really, how many times are we going to win this year when Nomar and Aram go 0 for 9? That we got 4 runs without our 2 big boppers helps me believe that we won't be scratching for 3 just runs every other day like we did last year. Combine that with that once Wood and Prior are in we'll be back to dominating when we score 4 or more runs and I think 161-1 is a real possibility.

[cubweiser03]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

Yes, Greg didn't pitch well last night. Do you imply that just because Greg pitched poorly that it's okay for Dusty to not put the team in position to win later in the game? Had he not used Neifi in that situation, I think the opinion on here is that there were better/more reliable options on the bench to help the Cubs overcome Greg's poor pitching performance and come away with a win or at the minimum, a chance to go into extras.

 

Yes of course im implying that. jeez. Oh and yes its up to the manager to make up or overcome a poor performance of the pitcher by making the most perfect move or moves. I believer other factors should not be discounted in deteriming a loss. Even if it could be proven 100% that dusty's moved sucked in the ninth doesnt mean that you couldnt blame greg for the loss either.

[cubweiser03]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

I don't quite get how Dusty only had "one questionable" move, he made a few absolutely terrible ones.

 

But I'm sick of Greg Maddux already. I though he had far too many disaster games last year, and he had another last night. 5 runs in 5 IP is inexcusable. Hopefully he can find a way to limit these terrible starts, and can improve on last season.

 

It seemed to me most people were complaining about macias and neifi. macias PH with 2 outs doesnt seem to warrant a 'the game was lost' because mentality, so i tried to make it as simple as possible to make my point. although i cant argue an other option could have been better. 8) The neifi move is the one stirring up the most debate in this thread.

 

I thought greg could do well because it is warm in AZ. well i was wrong, last year i thought be blamed his slow start on the cold and wind blowing out. too many damn homers.

[Lefty]

You're right. But Baker still su**s.

 

See, like this, put this in rants. There's no baseball info here. Tho I may have been annoying in my describing of Dusty Busters, at least I had things like facts and reasons. Whatever tho, I know I post dumb stuff just for fun too so I'm not pretending to be above stuff like the above post.

 

I think Tim will have fun savoring his decision and being the final arbiter of this fate of this thread: it has merits, but does it really, what about posts like the above, can we create a thread that criticizes Dusty intelligently without the flamers??? Heavy is the head that wears the crown....

 

Chill out, man! I'm just riffin' on your post. Post in Rants and I'll be glad to say that Baker su**s there too.

[goonys evil twin]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

I don't quite get how Dusty only had "one questionable" move, he made a few absolutely terrible ones.

 

But I'm sick of Greg Maddux already. I though he had far too many disaster games last year, and he had another last night. 5 runs in 5 IP is inexcusable. Hopefully he can find a way to limit these terrible starts, and can improve on last season.

 

It seemed to me most people were complaining about macias and neifi.

 

That's probably because the thread was about that.

 

I've avoided the board most of the day, so I don't know the sentiment. Personally I think ignorant managerial moves are less forgivable than bad pitching performances. You can avoid stupid moves by just thinking. Maddux's tendancy to give up a run per inning is more of a case of him just being old and not that good anymore. It's hard to get pissed at a guy for following the laws of nature. It's easy to get pissed at a manager who refuses to come to grips with the fact that Jose Macias and Neifi Perez cannot hit.

[ZZ Thorn]

You're right. But Baker still su**s.

 

See, like this, put this in rants. There's no baseball info here. Tho I may have been annoying in my describing of Dusty Busters, at least I had things like facts and reasons. Whatever tho, I know I post dumb stuff just for fun too so I'm not pretending to be above stuff like the above post.

 

I think Tim will have fun savoring his decision and being the final arbiter of this fate of this thread: it has merits, but does it really, what about posts like the above, can we create a thread that criticizes Dusty intelligently without the flamers??? Heavy is the head that wears the crown....

 

Chill out, man! I'm just riffin' on your post. Post in Rants and I'll be glad to say that Baker su**s there too.

 

I'm cool baby! It was a well placed post of yours that I got a kick out of. I'm not holding you responsible for all the Dusty Busting - Dusty Busting is a phonomenon. I was wondering should we have one thread that flames on Dusty and another thread just talking baseball for baseball's sake, and if they can coexist. It's a very heavy question....

[mhuber92211]

...Many a Cub team has had more talent then the last 2 years and have not been successful...

 

Give one example.

 

Nothing like replying 4 pages later. Sorry for my slowness... I can think of 2 teams off the top of my head, 1985 & 1999. Also 2001 has a point as well. All 3 teams finished behind the last 2 years.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I believe that these past 2 years and this year's team is incredibly talented and probably would beat those other teams, but you can't discount the fact that Dusty has made these teams successful. Just because you are talented doesn't mean that you will win just by showing up or in spite of yourself. Look at the late 60's team. They were loaded but fell flat.

 

 

I guess it takes more for me to lose faith in a leader then a bad PH decision.

[sandberg23]

No one has mentioned anything about maddux's performance last night. wth. i know this is a dusty bad manager move thread or whatever, but maddux's pitching last night wasnt great. Y'all can complain about neifi in the ninth or macias in the 7th. sure neifi in the ninth was really important but what about greg. the dude is an absolute long fly machine now. last year 35 long ones and this year aint so great so far. hell 35 of his 95 ER's last year were homers and thats without adding the runners on base. Dusty's one "questionable" move doesnt seem to make up for gregs awful performance.

 

Yes, Greg didn't pitch well last night. Do you imply that just because Greg pitched poorly that it's okay for Dusty to not put the team in position to win later in the game? Had he not used Neifi in that situation, I think the opinion on here is that there were better/more reliable options on the bench to help the Cubs overcome Greg's poor pitching performance and come away with a win or at the minimum, a chance to go into extras.

 

Yes of course im implying that. jeez. Oh and yes its up to the manager to make up or overcome a poor performance of the pitcher by making the most perfect move or moves. I believer other factors should not be discounted in deteriming a loss. Even if it could be proven 100% that dusty's moved sucked in the ninth doesnt mean that you couldnt blame greg for the loss either.

 

I don't disagree that Maddux played a large role in yesterday's loss...he gave up 5 runs and that was clearly one run too many and definately two too many. But, in light of that, one cannot take away runs already given up. All that can be done is to then try and outscore the opponent. And, I don't believe Dusty gave the Cubs that opportunity late in the game last night.

[halplm]

...Many a Cub team has had more talent then the last 2 years and have not been successful...

 

Give one example.

 

Nothing like replying 4 pages later. Sorry for my slowness... I can think of 2 teams off the top of my head, 1985 & 1999. Also 2001 has a point as well. All 3 teams finished behind the last 2 years.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I believe that these past 2 years and this year's team is incredibly talented and probably would beat those other teams, but you can't discount the fact that Dusty has made these teams successful. Just because you are talented doesn't mean that you will win just by showing up or in spite of yourself. Look at the late 60's team. They were loaded but fell flat.

 

 

I guess it takes more for me to lose faith in a leader then a bad PH decision.

 

what about 100 of them? (see past 2 years)

[goonys evil twin]

...Many a Cub team has had more talent then the last 2 years and have not been successful...

 

Give one example.

 

Nothing like replying 4 pages later. Sorry for my slowness... I can think of 2 teams off the top of my head, 1985 & 1999. Also 2001 has a point as well. All 3 teams finished behind the last 2 years.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I believe that these past 2 years and this year's team is incredibly talented and probably would beat those other teams, but you can't discount the fact that Dusty has made these teams successful. Just because you are talented doesn't mean that you will win just by showing up or in spite of yourself. Look at the late 60's team. They were loaded but fell flat.

 

 

I guess it takes more for me to lose faith in a leader then a bad PH decision.

 

88 and 89 wins man. It's not that big of a deal. That's relative success, at best. And Dusty didn't bring it. The pitchers did. If the late 60's teams were loaded but fell flat, how can you describe the last two teams as anything but falling flat?

[1908]

[While we're on the subject, does anyone here get the feeling that dusty would be horrible at chess?

"King me!"

[Careless]

[While we're on the subject, does anyone here get the feeling that dusty would be horrible at chess?

"King me!"

:shock: that just whacked a memory loose. Did dusty talk about not liking chess, playing checkers last season? gonna have to look that up later

[brinoch]

Not sure if this would qualify for this thread but it was something I noticed none the less. He brought in Remlinger in an inning when two of the first three hitters were lefties after he already acknowledged his reverse splits. About the Perez pinch hit, come on guys! We all know that righties like Hairston and Dubois cannot hit righties even when they are better hitters than lefty options!

 

I think the whole righty-lefty thing is way overblown. I don't want to see Remlinger used as a LOOGY; I want to see him used as an effective reliever. I have no problem at all with him pitching the full inning. In fact, I thought it was a good move. Remlinger looked *very* good.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Only two games into the season and Dusty's Bad Managerial Moves thread now has 166 posts.

 

Pace yourselves, boys.

[treebird]

Can I go ahead and put Dempster starting tonight down as a bad move by Dusty?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

...Many a Cub team has had more talent then the last 2 years and have not been successful...

 

Give one example.

 

Nothing like replying 4 pages later. Sorry for my slowness... I can think of 2 teams off the top of my head, 1985 & 1999. Also 2001 has a point as well. All 3 teams finished behind the last 2 years.

 

Don't misunderstand me, I believe that these past 2 years and this year's team is incredibly talented and probably would beat those other teams, but you can't discount the fact that Dusty has made these teams successful. Just because you are talented doesn't mean that you will win just by showing up or in spite of yourself. Look at the late 60's team. They were loaded but fell flat.

 

 

I guess it takes more for me to lose faith in a leader then a bad PH decision.

 

Compare the talent (and the injuries suffered) on the '85 and '99 squads and compare them to 2003-2005. Injuries or not, the recent Cubs are the most talented Cubs team post-Hiroshima. These teams are more talented than the '69 team. And yet these recent Cubs teams can at best only muster one win more than a team with Sosa, Lieber, Wood, Farnsworth and nothing more (2001)? Last year's team winning only 89 games was an utter dissapointment.

 

Not sure if this would qualify for this thread but it was something I noticed none the less. He brought in Remlinger in an inning when two of the first three hitters were lefties after he already acknowledged his reverse splits. About the Perez pinch hit, come on guys! We all know that righties like Hairston and Dubois cannot hit righties even when they are better hitters than lefty options!

 

I think the whole righty-lefty thing is way overblown. I don't want to see Remlinger used as a LOOGY; I want to see him used as an effective reliever. I have no problem at all with him pitching the full inning. In fact, I thought it was a good move. Remlinger looked *very* good.

 

Though 2 of the 3 batters Remmy faced that inning were lefties.

 

Can I go ahead and put Dempster starting tonight down as a bad move by Dusty?

 

Yes, I have been for weeks now. :evil:

[rocket]

at least the unproven rookie mitre isn't pitching

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Can I go ahead and put Dempster starting tonight down as a bad move by Dusty?

 

Yes.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

at least the unproven rookie mitre isn't pitching

 

He's not a rookie anymore.

[mhuber92211]

Raisin, I would disagree...but alas, It won't matter....

[rocket]

at least the unproven rookie mitre isn't pitching

 

He's not a rookie anymore.

 

either way he's not a crafty crazy vet like Dempster. (who keeps the whole clubhouse loose)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

at least the unproven rookie mitre isn't pitching

 

He's not a rookie anymore.

 

either way he's not a crafty crazy vet like Dempster. (who keeps the whole clubhouse loose)

 

Dang, even Mitre's facial hair can't keep the clubhouse loose?