Sisco is already pitching for the Royals.

[JC]

Pitched the Royals' only scoreless inning in a 12-8 loss against the Baltimore Orioles.

 

Sisco had 2 walks, didn't K a batter, but still escaped unscathed.

 

JC, continue to gleam :D

 

:sunny:

 

I love that he is doing well. But, the massive number of walks he is accumulating will catch up to him for some 5-6 run inning. That doesn't diminish the fact that he has established that he can dominate at this level.

 

More on Sisco from Ken Rosenthal:

 

More aggravation for the Cubs: The Rule V pick they lost to the Royals, 6-10 lefthander Andrew Sisco, is thriving in a setup role. "He can get away with pitching up in the zone -- the ball explodes out of his hand," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire says. "He throws enough down-angle fastballs that he doesn't have to have much of a breaking ball right now." . . .

[imb]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

[Deeg]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

[imb]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

I agree, I didn't see this coming at all, but he wasn't hitting 96 last year. I think he was in the 80s last year.

[Deeg]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

Hendry certainly didn't.

[imb]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

Hendry certainly didn't.

 

Did you say to yourself, "Deeg, that Sisco and his 4+ ERA in A ball sure looks good, I bet he would be the best middle reliever on the team"?

 

Of course you didnt. I didnt want him unprotected either, but I dont see how you could predict such major league success so soon.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Sisco left a couple in the zone tonight: .1IP 2 hits 2 ER's 2Hr's

 

What is the official date when he belongs to the Royals? 4 or 5 more of these type outings in a row could we see him back in A ball in the Cubs minor league system?

[BigbadB]

Probably not. If he falters, he'll just be another crappy player on a crappy team. Why not waste the roster spot all year and retain his rights for when he becomes a good pitcher?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Probably not. If he falters, he'll just be another crappy player on a crappy team. Why not waste the roster spot all year and retain his rights for when he becomes a good pitcher?

 

Yup, I think he's long gone. The Royals are bad and he's shown more than enough that the Royals will keep him. If he struggles, they might shut him down with a "tired arm" late in the year and then return him to the minors (maybe a stop in a winter league) to get him ready as a starter.

[Deeg]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

Hendry certainly didn't.

 

Did you say to yourself, "Deeg, that Sisco and his 4+ ERA in A ball sure looks good, I bet he would be the best middle reliever on the team"?

 

Of course you didnt. I didnt want him unprotected either, but I dont see how you could predict such major league success so soon.

 

No - but given that we're falling all over ourselves praising a prospect almost five years older (Hill) for what he's doing in AA, that's really beside the point. We could have kept Sisco and let him beat the crap out of FSL hitters, and yes - I did think he had a good chance of being an impact pitcher. Huge lefties with great arms don't exactly grow on trees.

[BigbadB]

I will remind everyone that I am and was not busting managements chops for not not protecting Sisco. I was surprised he was drafted, and I'll be even more surprised if he kept a major league job all year. I would have figured he'd be returned like Hagerty did.

 

Any team but the Royals. #-o

[imb]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

Hendry certainly didn't.

 

Did you say to yourself, "Deeg, that Sisco and his 4+ ERA in A ball sure looks good, I bet he would be the best middle reliever on the team"?

 

Of course you didnt. I didnt want him unprotected either, but I dont see how you could predict such major league success so soon.

 

No - but given that we're falling all over ourselves praising a prospect almost five years older (Hill) for what he's doing in AA, that's really beside the point. We could have kept Sisco and let him beat the crap out of FSL hitters, and yes - I did think he had a good chance of being an impact pitcher. Huge lefties with great arms don't exactly grow on trees.

 

I'm talking about this year. No one thought he would not suck in the majors THIS YEAR.

[JC]

Sisco left a couple in the zone tonight: .1IP 2 hits 2 ER's 2Hr's

 

What is the official date when he belongs to the Royals? 4 or 5 more of these type outings in a row could we see him back in A ball in the Cubs minor league system?

 

No way. At the very least, he has shown the Royals that he can be dominant. And, he is getting rave reviews from outside that organization. He is gone, even if he starts to stink with any consistency. It would be a bigger folly if KC sent him back at this point than the Cubs leaving him unprotected. The Royals absolutely suck. Sisco, while probably pitching over his head for the first two months, has shown some brilliance. The Royals can always revert to plan A and just use him in blowouts and other "end of the pen" situations.

[JC]

I really just dont understand how the hell he is doing so well, but I am happy for him.

 

Being a 6'10" lefty who throws 96 might have something to do with it.

 

Being a 6'10 lefty who throws 96 got him a 4.21 ERA in High A ball. How does a 4.21 ERA in High A turn into a 1.93 ERA at the major league level one year later? No one saw this coming.

 

Hendry certainly didn't.

 

Did you say to yourself, "Deeg, that Sisco and his 4+ ERA in A ball sure looks good, I bet he would be the best middle reliever on the team"?

 

Of course you didnt. I didnt want him unprotected either, but I dont see how you could predict such major league success so soon.

 

No - but given that we're falling all over ourselves praising a prospect almost five years older (Hill) for what he's doing in AA, that's really beside the point. We could have kept Sisco and let him beat the crap out of FSL hitters, and yes - I did think he had a good chance of being an impact pitcher. Huge lefties with great arms don't exactly grow on trees.

 

I'm talking about this year. No one thought he would not suck in the majors THIS YEAR.

 

I was cautiously optimistic he wouldn't suck. I never thought he would get on a roll like he has so far, however.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ok, it's time for me to chime in. He's gone. I was one of the biggest defenders of the Cubs and I highly expected him to be returned. I was wrong. I didn't forsee him having this level of success.

 

And of course there were differing views on what the Royals would do. I can fully understand all those who felt it was foolish to leave him unprotected. I was shocked that he was, but felt that in light of what happens with most Rule V guys and the fact that he had performed poorly in A ball that he would be returned.

 

I think anyone who thought he would pitch this well this year is just posturing after the fact, though there were many that felt the Royals would keep him regardless of how he pitched.

 

Well, he's gone. He's shown enough that even if completely implodes the rest of the way, they will keep him. He's close to getting his games in now, they could likely have a phantom injury and hide him awhile if needed. Either way, he's a goner, but I don't think anyone, even the Royals predicted this level of success this soon.

[CubsWin]

Ok, it's time for me to chime in. He's gone. I was one of the biggest defenders of the Cubs and I highly expected him to be returned. I was wrong. I didn't forsee him having this level of success.

 

And of course there were differing views on what the Royals would do. I can fully understand all those who felt it was foolish to leave him unprotected. I was shocked that he was, but felt that in light of what happens with most Rule V guys and the fact that he had performed poorly in A ball that he would be returned.

 

I think anyone who thought he would pitch this well this year is just posturing after the fact, though there were many that felt the Royals would keep him regardless of how he pitched.

 

Well, he's gone. He's shown enough that even if completely implodes the rest of the way, they will keep him. He's close to getting his games in now, they could likely have a phantom injury and hide him awhile if needed. Either way, he's a goner, but I don't think anyone, even the Royals predicted this level of success this soon.

Yep, it looks like I was wrong as well about Sisco being returned. It looks like Sisco will stick with the Royals, but his early performances aren't the reason why. The real reason why he is very likely to not be returned is the absolutely terrible pitching staff that the Royals have put together. I still think it is quite possible that Andy will struggle and finish the year with some very poor numbers. Remember, early on, when no one has much scouting video on you, the pitcher has the advantage. The league might be beginning to adjust to him now. But even if he does start to tank it, the rest of the Royals staff is so bad that there would be little reason for KC to give up on him.

 

I felt much the same as vance did when Sisco was selected and still do. It was too early to put Sisco on the 40-man and start his 3-year option clock. He wasn't throwing 96mph last year. He was overweight. He had struggled at Daytona and was exhibiting a low level of maturity. That's not the type of performance that you want to reward by giving him a spot on the 40-man roster.

 

And these things happen. Some teams are really bad at the major league level and can afford to take a chance on a guy who was left exposed to the draft. The Cubs system is very deep and the big league club has a chance to win now. Rule 5 was written for this exact situation. But lets not let the fact that Sisco has gotten off to a good start have us jump to the conclusion that the Cubs should have seen his improvement coming or that he will continue to pitch at this level. He showed no signs of being willing to lose the weight at the end of last season. But when you are given an opportunity to make a big league ballclub, albeit a really bad one, you can suddenly become very motivated. The weight loss resulted in regained velocity. The chance to pitch in the bigs gave him a reason to focus and be more responsible. Had he not been selected, would any of this have happened? Most of how a player performs is up to the kind of work he is willing to put in. You can't make a player want to work if he is being stubborn and immature.

[JC]

Uhg. Not another round of, "Sisco is an immature fat guy with no motivation, fastball or minor league success," I hope.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Uhg. Not another round of, "Sisco is an immature fat guy with no motivation, fastball or minor league success," I hope.

 

Me neither. Although the more I think about the situation, the more upset I am with Sisco.

[the sport]

1) Sisco came off the IR too soon, during the chilly play-offs in '03 and developed tendonitis that lingered though most of the '04 season. His velocity was coming back in august, so yes Hendry should have seen enough to protect him on the 25 based on potential alone.

 

2) Worried about his 3 year clock? What a crock. Look, if he's not ready in 3 more full years of minor league ball, then you have another prospect who didn't pan out, ala Kelton. WHO CARES AT THAT POINT! You needed to guard against the possiblity that within those 3 loooong years he would once more begin to live up to his potential. And keeping the Koronko's of the world while risking Andy at 21, is just plain STUPID.

 

 

But if the weight issue and maturity issue makes you feel better about this attrocity, go ahead and live up to the Cubbie fan stereotype. And if the more talented Justin Jones ever gets over his tendenitis issues I'm sure you're blind loyalty will justify his deal due to the fact that he was too skinny and too emotionally detached for such a youngster.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2) Worried about his 3 year clock? What a crock. Look, if he's not ready in 3 more full years of minor league ball, then you have another prospect who didn't pan out, ala kelton. WHO CARES AT THAT POINT! You needed to gaurd against the possiblity that within those 3 loooong years he would once more begin to live up to his potential. And keeping the Koronko's of the world while risking Andy at 21, is just plain STUPID.

 

Have you read this thread? These arguments have gone in cycles every several pages, you'll likely find the rebuttals to your arguments already posted.

[TruffleShuffle]

But if the weight issue and maturity issue makes you feel better about this attrocity, go ahead and live up to the Cubbie fan stereotype. And if the more talented Justin Jones ever gets over his tendenitis issues I'm sure you're blind loyalty will justify his deal due to the fact that he was too skinny and too emotionally detached for such a youngster.

 

I don't think that's a fair comparison. At least in trading Justin Jones, they got back an All-Star caliber shortstop for the stretch run. They left Sisco unprotected and got $50,000.

[the sport]

I try not to read the inane posters, but I'll make an exception for you, since you choose to address mine. I never find it redundent to dismiss feeble justifications, as long as they keep popping up, again and again, so will I. Judging from your posts I highly doubt you read much of anything.

But, you did pick a fine username, CPatt swings and misses alot, often looking silly doing so.

[imb]

Since we never talked, I wanted to make sure and say "hey" before you get banned.

[Modzilla]

I try not to read the inane posters, but I'll make an exception for you, since you choose to address mine. I never find it redundent to dismiss feeble justifications, as long as they keep popping up, again and again, so will I. Judging from your posts I highly doubt you read much of anything.

But, you did pick a fine username, CPatt swings and misses alot, often looking silly doing so.

 

You've been here long enough to know that personal attacks like this aren't tolerated.