Bears Week 2 at Texans: SNF on NBC

[cwood218]

7 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

he had over 2k yards and 21 td's last season and has consistently been very good*, most people would qualify that as worthy of a rd 1 pick

 

*when healthy

And most people would be wrong.

Put Isiah Pacheco, a 7th round pick # 251, on last years 49ers team and use him the exact same way as they used McCaffery. You get 90-95% of the production that McCaffery gave them.

There is no way that little extra that McCaffery gave them is worth what he cost them.

McCaffery's cost to SF.

2023 picks 2.61 - 3.93 - 4.132

2024 pick 5.166

Plus $12 Mil in 2023 and $16 Mil in 2023

This summer they had to extend/restructure his contract just to make this years cap number more manageable. Basically just kicking the can down the road. Which definitely won't end well.

Meanwhile McCaffery missed the first game this year.

Some replacement level type player named Jordan Mason, who was a UDFA in 2022, started for him against the Jets Defense last week and put up 147 rushing yards with a 5.3 YPC Avg and 1 TD.

  

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by cwood218

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears are wearing their pumpkin costumes Sunday night. Blech

 

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, cwood218 said:

And most people would be wrong.

Put Isiah Pacheco, a 7th round pick # 251, on last years 49ers team and use him the exact same way as they used McCaffery. You get 90-95% of the production that McCaffery gave them.

There is no way that little extra that McCaffery gave them is worth what he cost them.

McCaffery's cost to SF.

2023 picks 2.61 - 3.93 - 4.132

2024 pick 5.166

Plus $12 Mil in 2023 and $16 Mil in 2023

This summer they had to extend/restructure his contract just to make this years cap number more manageable. Basically just kicking the can down the road. Which definitely won't end well.

Meanwhile McCaffery missed the first game this year.

Some replacement level type player named Jordan Mason, who was a UDFA in 2022, started for him against the Jets Defense last week and put up 147 rushing yards with a 5.3 YPC Avg and 1 TD.

  

 

 

Yea, 1 game of Jordan Mason IS JUST LIKE multiple successful McCaffrey seasons. Same thing really! 

[Sosa21MVP]

On 9/11/2024 at 9:03 AM, BigbadB said:

Indy couldn't stop Mixon, which is probably the difference in the TOP being that much different. 30 carries for 160 yards. The Bears did a pretty good job containing Pollard outside of the one series they scored their first td. Pollard had 47 yards on 3 carries on that drive, leaving him with 13 carries for 35 yards for the rest of the game. 

Houston will be much tougher to stop in general since they are a much more balanced and talented offense, but I'm not sure Indy is a better team than the Bears on either side of the ball, and that's including Caleb going through his growing pains.

I definitely like the Bears defense over the Colts defense. The one area I would favor for Indy is their OL. 

 

[cwood218]

4 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

 

Yea, 1 game of Jordan Mason IS JUST LIKE multiple successful McCaffrey seasons. Same thing really! 

One or more successful seasons in the west coast offense sure does seem to be a regular occurrence though. And they sure do seem to do it again and again with a lot less valuable draft capital spent. Especially if you go back and look through Mike Shanahan's variation of the offense. Take a little time at football reference and look at the production he got year after year. Weather it was a year with a feature back or a year with a backfield by committee approach it is just stunning how much production they got out of the running backs with so little draft capital.   

'95-98 Terrell Davis - picked R6 # 195 in 1995

'99 Olandis Gary - picked R4 # 127 in 1999

'00 Mike Anderson - picked R6 # 189 in 2000

'01 the above three shared a running back by committee approach.

'02-03 Clinton Portis - picked R2 # 51 in 2002

Special Note:

During the 2004 off season they traded Portis to WAS for Champ Bailey!!! and the 2005 R2 #41 pick that they used on Tatum Bell below

'04 Reuben Droughns - picked R3 # 81 in 2000 by DET - Signed as FA by DEN 2002

'05 Tatum Bell - picked R2 # 41 in 2004 - in a committee approach with Mike Anderson

'06 Mike Bell - signed as a UDFA in 2006 - in a committee approach with Tatum Bell

'07 Travis Henry - FA in 2007 in a committee approach with Selvin Young signed as UDFA in 2007

'08 Peyton Hillis - picked R7 # 227 in 2007 in a committee approach with Michael Pittman FA in 2008 and Selvin Young and Tatum Bell.

His four years in WAS were more of the same with the committee approach in 2010-2011 and in 2012-2013 he had Alfred Morris who was picked R6 # 173

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by cwood218

[BigSlick]

Not only are the Orange jerseys ugly, but I have a completely irrational belief the Bears are consistently worse while wearing them 

[jumbo]

2 hours ago, BigSlick said:

Not only are the Orange jerseys ugly, but I have a completely irrational belief the Bears are consistently worse while wearing them 

The Bears in the orange jerseys is like a dog or cat being forced to wear the reindeer antlers at christmas

[raw]

1 hour ago, jumbo said:

The Bears in the orange jerseys is like a dog or cat being forced to wear the reindeer antlers at christmas

Is this before or after they are prepared to be eaten?

[Soul]

I don’t see this going well.

Orange jersey + national TV = 27-10 Texans

[minnesotacubsfan]

7 hours ago, cwood218 said:

One or more successful seasons in the west coast offense sure does seem to be a regular occurrence though. And they sure do seem to do it again and again with a lot less valuable draft capital spent. Especially if you go back and look through Mike Shanahan's variation of the offense. Take a little time at football reference and look at the production he got year after year. Weather it was a year with a feature back or a year with a backfield by committee approach it is just stunning how much production they got out of the running backs with so little draft capital.   

'95-98 Terrell Davis - picked R6 # 195 in 1995

'99 Olandis Gary - picked R4 # 127 in 1999

'00 Mike Anderson - picked R6 # 189 in 2000

'01 the above three shared a running back by committee approach.

'02-03 Clinton Portis - picked R2 # 51 in 2002

Special Note:

During the 2004 off season they traded Portis to WAS for Champ Bailey!!! and the 2005 R2 #41 pick that they used on Tatum Bell below

'04 Reuben Droughns - picked R3 # 81 in 2000 by DET - Signed as FA by DEN 2002

'05 Tatum Bell - picked R2 # 41 in 2004 - in a committee approach with Mike Anderson

'06 Mike Bell - signed as a UDFA in 2006 - in a committee approach with Tatum Bell

'07 Travis Henry - FA in 2007 in a committee approach with Selvin Young signed as UDFA in 2007

'08 Peyton Hillis - picked R7 # 227 in 2007 in a committee approach with Michael Pittman FA in 2008 and Selvin Young and Tatum Bell.

His four years in WAS were more of the same with the committee approach in 2010-2011 and in 2012-2013 he had Alfred Morris who was picked R6 # 173

 

 

 

exatcly 1 of those rb's has had the level of succcess as McCaffery, and hes now in the HoF. Also, McCaffery did it in Carolina as well

 

but I get your overall jesture for using rb's in the Shannahan offense, as long as you are good with a 147 yard Orlandis Gary season

 

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Sometimes I wonder where a guy like Payton would be drafted these days, or if he even would be at all. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Sometimes I wonder where a guy like Payton would be drafted these days, or if he even would be at all. 

I think its definitely going to become harder and harder to justify a RB pick in the 1st round, let alone expect any of them to go into the HoF. The game (mostly because of rule changes) has moved away from the position to such a great extent. But, there are still ones out there that defy this, and I think McCaffery, and (because of homer glasses) Payton certainly would. Barry Sanders perhaps. The list goes pretty blank after that

[UMFan83]

On 9/12/2024 at 9:42 AM, raw said:

Caleb Williams has still not thrown an NFL TD pass, including preseason.  

He would have if Rome could watch where his feet are or a HOF WR could catch a short pass.

[mul21]

17 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I think its definitely going to become harder and harder to justify a RB pick in the 1st round, let alone expect any of them to go into the HoF. The game (mostly because of rule changes) has moved away from the position to such a great extent. But, there are still ones out there that defy this, and I think McCaffery, and (because of homer glasses) Payton certainly would. Barry Sanders perhaps. The list goes pretty blank after that

I think Eric Dickerson and probably Marshall Faulk have to be on that list.

[UMFan83]

8 hours ago, BigSlick said:

Not only are the Orange jerseys ugly, but I have a completely irrational belief the Bears are consistently worse while wearing them 

The Bears are 7-11 all time when wearing their Orange jerseys, having won the last time they played in them (TNF victory over the Panthers last year).  However, prior to that they had lost 7 in a row with some of those losses ugly:

23: Ugly loss at TB

22: Lost to Cowboys by 20, lost that ugly ass 12-7 TNF game to the Commanders when Fields almost scored a TD on a scramble late but ended up with a 1st and goal from inside the 5 and couldn't get the TD

21: A loss I don't remember at all to the Cardinals

20: Ugly ass loss to the Vikings where the offense gained 149 total yards and the only TD was scored on special teams (sound somewhat familiar?)

20: That ugly ass loss to the Colts where the Bears only TD was scored in garbage time down 19-3 late

19: Horrible loss to the Chargers where the Bears blew a 16-7 lead at the end of the 3rd quarter and then Piniero shanked a 41 yard FG attempt on the final play of the game

Also, I'll never forget the 2004 Thanksgiving loss to the Cowboys in what was the ugliest offensive performance I've ever seen from a Bears team and that's saying a lot given how many ugly offensive performance we've seen as Bears fans. 

Edited September 13, 2024 by UMFan83

[Old Style]

It’s laughable to me that people think the uniform color has any impact on the outcome. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

17 minutes ago, Old Style said:

It’s laughable to me that people think the uniform color has any impact on the outcome. 

I'd think it would be pretty easy for the opp QB to read the defense when the secondary looks like rural Wisconsin in fall

also, dark colors in the sunny heat are hell

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

It’s laughable to me that people think the uniform color has any impact on the outcome. 

Laugh at the sports gods at your peril.  They demand suitable offerings and ugly uniforms are an affront to them.

[Soul]

2 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

The Bears are 7-11 all time when wearing their Orange jerseys, having won the last time they played in them (TNF victory over the Panthers last year).  However, prior to that they had lost 7 in a row with some of those losses ugly:

23: Ugly loss at TB

22: Lost to Cowboys by 20, lost that ugly ass 12-7 TNF game to the Commanders when Fields almost scored a TD on a scramble late but ended up with a 1st and goal from inside the 5 and couldn't get the TD

21: A loss I don't remember at all to the Cardinals

20: Ugly ass loss to the Vikings where the offense gained 149 total yards and the only TD was scored on special teams (sound somewhat familiar?)

20: That ugly ass loss to the Colts where the Bears only TD was scored in garbage time down 19-3 late

19: Horrible loss to the Chargers where the Bears blew a 16-7 lead at the end of the 3rd quarter and then Piniero shanked a 41 yard FG attempt on the final play of the game

Also, I'll never forget the 2004 Thanksgiving loss to the Cowboys in what was the ugliest offensive performance I've ever seen from a Bears team and that's saying a lot given how many ugly offensive performance we've seen as Bears fans. 

I’m impressed by the level of detailed misery you just wheeled out.

[cwood218]

2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Sometimes I wonder where a guy like Payton would be drafted these days, or if he even would be at all. 

So initially I was going to say ...

With his college production at a small school ( Jackson State ) 4-5th round sounds about where he would probably go today.

But then I looked up Austin Ekeler's college career vs Walter's. Dam he just might have been a UDFA also.

[UMFan83]

19 minutes ago, Soul said:

I’m impressed by the level of detailed misery you just wheeled out.

fwiw I pulled all the info from an 2023 article.  I remembered many of the games, looked up details on a couple because I remember the games being annoyingly bad, usually due to inept offense.

[We Got The Whole 9]

2 hours ago, cwood218 said:

So initially I was going to say ...

With his college production at a small school ( Jackson State ) 4-5th round sounds about where he would probably go today.

But then I looked up Austin Ekeler's college career vs Walter's. Dam he just might have been a UDFA also.

He'd get a combine invite

 

Probably run a 4.6 or 4.7

I'd guess a higher percentile with the 3-cone, 7.0 

High vert and broad jump for sure 

20-25 reps

Impressive receiver drills 

 

6th-UDFA sounds probable 

 

 

[WrigleyField 22]

He'd enter the transfer portal his Jr year when his brother graduates, then play for a mid tier SEC school and catapult himself up the draft boards.

[cwood218]

7 hours ago, mul21 said:

I think Eric Dickerson and probably Marshall Faulk have to be on that list.

To the shock of no one I think that list should have zero names on it.

Eric Dickerson is the text book example of why you don't take a running back in the first round.

Here is a list of first round Hall Of Fame players Dickerson's draft class. DIckerson went 1.2

QB:

1.14 Jim Kelly

1.27 Dan Marino

OT:

1.6 Jimbo Covert

1.9 Bruce Matthews

CB:

1.28 Darrell Green

All five were better players at more important positions.

Edited September 13, 2024 by cwood218

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 minutes ago, cwood218 said:

To the shock of no one I think that list should have zero names on it.

Eric Dickerson is the text book example of why you don't take a running back in the first round.

Here is a list of Dickerson's draft class. DIckerson went 1.2

HOF RB:

1.2 ERIC MUTHAFUKKA DICKERSON

HOF QB:

1.14 HOF Jim Kelly

1.27 HOF Dan Marino

HOF OT:

1.6 HOF Jimbo Covert

1.9 HOF Bruce Matthews

HOF CB:

1.28 HOF Darrell Green

 

 

 

 

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