Ohtani to Dodgers for an ungodly amount of money

[Tryptamine]

Just now, 1908_Cubs said:

If it's from Mr. Rass, then I don't believe that the person is legitimate. First, he was responding to "Dave" who is clearly not a real source. Secondly there seems to be zero other mentions of Olney claiming Ohtani has decided it is the Dodgers. If true, itd be everywhere. He posted that over an hour ago. Rass has 20 followers.

 

I think we just have to wait until a real source here, and even at that, like the best of the best. This will broken by a Passan or a Ken. This is supposed to be very hushed. 

Yeah, if Olney knew, he'd have it plastered everywhere to get credit for breaking it. 

[David]

3 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

If it's from Mr. Rass, then I don't believe that the person is legitimate. First, he was responding to "Dave" who is clearly not a real source. Secondly there seems to be zero other mentions of Olney claiming Ohtani has decided it is the Dodgers. If true, itd be everywhere. He posted that over an hour ago. Rass has 20 followers.

 

I think we just have to wait until a real source here, and even at that, like the best of the best. This will broken by a Passan or a Ken. This is supposed to be very hushed. 

 

this tweet is prob what has brought on the chatter but i have no idea if olney actually said this or not and whether he was reporting or predicting/speculating

[UMFan83]

This is (maybe) where he got that info from. Though I don’t know where THIS info is from

 

Damn you David lol. Someone find the interview on tsn1050

Edited December 1, 2023 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

Ok I found the article from the screenshot and it’s from yesterday

https://www.tsn.ca/buster-olney-on-shohei-ohtani-he-knows-where-he-wants-to-go-1.2042192?tsn-amp

[Tryptamine]

So basically more of nothing.

[Jason Ross]

Conveniently, that screengrab on the tweet leaves out the next paragraph, which I think clarifies his position:

"I still think the Dodgers are going to wind up being the fit for him, he said. "They're in a position of how they handled their payroll where they can offer him a lot of money and he'd be teamed with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman, so he'd have a lot of cover"

Without that quote, it makes it seem like Olney knows he's picked the Dodgers. With that quote, it's clear he's speculating it's the Dodgers.

I still think the Dodgers have to be considered the favorites. They're a great team in the city he's already in. But I think Olney is doing a lot of what most are doing right now; they're guessing. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Conveniently, that screengrab on the tweet leaves out the next paragraph, which I think clarifies his position:

"I still think the Dodgers are going to wind up being the fit for him, he said. "They're in a position of how they handled their payroll where they can offer him a lot of money and he'd be teamed with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman, so he'd have a lot of cover"

Without that quote, it makes it seem like Olney knows he's picked the Dodgers. With that quote, it's clear he's speculating it's the Dodgers.

I still think the Dodgers have to be considered the favorites. They're a great team in the city he's already in. But I think Olney is doing a lot of what most are doing right now; they're guessing. 

I swore I wasn’t going to go obsessive on this but I just listened to the podcast and he literally even says “it’s only a guess but” directly before the quote you posted in the article.  Like in the same sentence 

“it’s only a guess but I still think the Dodgers are going to wind up being the fit for him” is the full quote

Edited December 1, 2023 by UMFan83

[Jason Ross]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

I swore I wasn’t going to go obsessive on this but I just listened to the podcast and he literally even says “it’s only a guess but” before the quote you posted in the article.  Like in the same sentence 
 

Yep! Everyone's guessing. Ohtani is incredibly secretive here. Teams have seemingly been told not to leak anything. Journalists are seemingly not leaking anything (and I have to think a few people out there know something. There's no such thing as a full secret). I've been telling myself here for a bit...until someone like Passan/Rosenthal releases this one not to worry about what we see from other accounts because it's got to be just speculation. Maybe if we saw multiple locals (Levine + Rogers) "break" it, than maybe I'd be willing to believe it...but I don't think they'll know first. 

[JHBulls]

24 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

Read someone is saying on Twitter that Buster Olney is claiming Ohtani has decided . Olney thinks it’s the Dodgers .  

If someone has claimed that Olney is saying that Ohtani has decided, than Olney should know more than the bolded. 
 

Just one of those rumours that very likely isn’t true. In fact, all we have heard is Ohtani will decide before the winter meetings and now there is a mad scramble to get in “first”. The thing is that even that was an unverified rumour from “sources”. Ohtani could sign for a team in January for all we know. 

[imb]

regardless of all the nonsense, its much more likely ohtani picks the dodgers over the cubs

[JD94]

According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, rival teams expect Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to hit the trade block if general manager Ross Atkins is able to sign Ohtani.

However, trades involving Bichette and Guerrero Jr. are considered unlikely if the Blue Jays can't bring in the reigning AL MVP.

[JD94]

Why would you sign Ohtani and turn around and trade your 2 young stars? Why would you let that get out if you’re serious about signing Ohtani? I just don’t understand that. 

[ToolDRT]

2 minutes ago, JD94 said:

According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, rival teams expect Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to hit the trade block if general manager Ross Atkins is able to sign Ohtani.

However, trades involving Bichette and Guerrero Jr. are considered unlikely if the Blue Jays can't bring in the reigning AL MVP.

I just saw that. How is subtracting from your roster a selling point? 

[JD94]

1 minute ago, ToolDRT said:

I just saw that. How is subtracting from your roster a selling point? 

Look I’m far far far from qualified to run a MLB team, but I’m smart enough to know that you don’t sign the best player in baseball and then turn around and trade 2 cheap young star players that are multiple years away from free agency. It’s not like the Blue Jays are a small market team either that don’t have money to spend. That actually blows my mind. That can’t be real. 

[ToolDRT]

1 minute ago, JD94 said:

Look I’m far far far from qualified to run a MLB team, but I’m smart enough to know that you don’t sign the best player in baseball and then turn around and trade 2 cheap young star players that are multiple years away from free agency. It’s not like the Blue Jays are a small market team either that don’t have money to spend. That actually blows my mind. That can’t be real. 

Sing it! This is one of the posts that makes me think no one has a clue what the hell is going on right now. Adding the greatest free agent of all-time just so you can downgrade the team around him is borderline psychotic. 

[JD94]

3 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Sing it! This is one of the posts that makes me think no one has a clue what the hell is going on right now. Adding the greatest free agent of all-time just so you can downgrade the team around him is borderline psychotic. 

I agree. I don’t trust Heyman’s reporting anyways. He’s really the only national reporter that’s talking about Ohtani. Considering the 100% fact that Ohtani and his people don’t want any leaks, I just don’t believe anything Heyman says, especially considering he’s constantly making updates. But this is just so random, that like how could you make it up? I don’t know… I just need Ohtani to decide one way or the other quickly because I’m hanging on to any update at this point and it’s driving me crazy lol 

[UMFan83]

26 minutes ago, JD94 said:

According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, rival teams expect Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to hit the trade block if general manager Ross Atkins is able to sign Ohtani.

However, trades involving Bichette and Guerrero Jr. are considered unlikely if the Blue Jays can't bring in the reigning AL MVP.

I really hope the Jays used that in their pitch to Ohtani

[Stratos]

On 11/28/2023 at 11:39 PM, JHBulls said:

What a wild, wild time that was when a handle called WetButt pretended to have solid sources. 

WetButt broke the news on Q.  But I want to hear what KatyPerrysBootyHole has to say about these Ohtani rumours.

[Stratos]

I live in Canada and have lived in Toronto.  Toronto has a very large Asian population, though mostly Chinese and Filipino.  They could use a hitter plus a SP so i could see them targeting Ohtani.  They also have a large population for the Great Toronto Area of about 7 million, and have a stadium with a large seating capacity at 50k, which they could fill if Ohtani is signed and the team is good.

The Jays are also broadcast nationally across Canada to all cable subscribers regardless of cable package, so the revevnue potential there for Toronto is quite good.

Whereever he signs, I think the revenue Ohtani will bring in will have a huge impact for his suitors obviously beyond just his ability as a ballplayer to help a team win games.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Stratos

[Stratos]

6 hours ago, XZero77 said:

We don't know exactly what Shohei's sensibilities are, but Toronto is a great, cosmopolitan city, the media is likely to be a lot less intense/demanding. And the Jays are competitive.

That said, if he really prioritizes winning, making it of that division is gonna be a taller task year in and year out than the NLC. But we don't really know just how much of a priority that is.

If he wants a place where he can avoid being under constant media scrutiny, Toronto may have something over both LA and Chicago.

All that said, I don't think anyone really knows what is going on here.

Toronto is the media hub for Canada FWIW and everything broadcasts nationally, but i'm not sure how it would compare to Chicago re: media.  Toronto media can be intense, but Jays media is pretty chill, the fans and media aren't as diehard as Cubs fans.  LA obviously must be crazy for him media-wise, with the paparazzi etc., but on the other hand everyone there is used to seeing celebs  NY would be crazy too, he couldn't move in that city.

[Stratos]

4 hours ago, ToolDRT said:

If they miss Ohtani they should go hard for Yamamoto and Imanaga.

I watched Imanaga's start in the WBC final game vs USA from March.  He just looked "ok".  His stuff was very average, his curve maybe below average, maybe a plus split.  Good command.  Looked like a MORP.  Would rather they target a TORP

Edited December 1, 2023 by Stratos

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, JD94 said:

According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, rival teams expect Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to hit the trade block if general manager Ross Atkins is able to sign Ohtani.

However, trades involving Bichette and Guerrero Jr. are considered unlikely if the Blue Jays can't bring in the reigning AL MVP.

The Jays (and any team) would have a ton more revenue with Ohtani, they could increase payroll and easily keep those pre-arb guys.  Ohtani literally pays for himself and thensome with the revenue he brings in.  He could get a crazy contract.  But the thing is, it's not guaranteed.  If Ohtani doesn't play like Ohtani in say 5 years, or doesn't come back to pitch like he did, then he isn't "Ohtani", and the revenues from him would drop, so teams just can't assume revenues over the total of his contract.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, ToolDRT said:

Sing it! This is one of the posts that makes me think no one has a clue what the hell is going on right now. Adding the greatest free agent of all-time just so you can downgrade the team around him is borderline psychotic. 

Nobody knows anything, it's all BS until the deal gets close.

[thawv]

On 11/13/2023 at 3:17 PM, javy knows my name said:

Well, it is but that has nothing to do with flying to China

Or even Japan!

 

[thawv]

On 11/16/2023 at 11:52 AM, CubinNY said:

They proved that with the manager search. I'd really love to know if Counsel didn't reach out to them and let them know he was interested in staying in the area. We will never know. 

CC said that Jed called him on Nov 1st, which was the first day he was a FA.  He didn't answer and called him back.  They met that same day.  He went and talked to Cle and the Mets after that.  He came back and liked the Cubs job much better.   He said that staying near Milwaukee was only a contributing factor.