Jason Dubois

[Tim]

Two points of interest to those who didn't see the game. Jason's triple went opposite field into the well. And, his homer went an estimated 440' to staight away center (maybe a little to the right). Not shabby.

To be completely fair, the triple was probably a fly out if: 1) the wind weren't blowing out, or 2) Marrero had done a decent job of tracking it and going back on it (which I believe was influenced by (1) ).

 

Still, he drove two balls the opposite way and crushed a home run to dead center that would have been gone with a wind blowing in at 15 MPH.

 

Not a bad day for "the Creature".

[BigbadB]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

[Laura]

Two points of interest to those who didn't see the game. Jason's triple went opposite field into the well. And, his homer went an estimated 440' to staight away center (maybe a little to the right). Not shabby.

 

That home run was a BOMB!

 

And, as BigBadB pointed out, he threw a STRIKE into 2B as well.

 

The RF bleacher crowd gave him a few ovations, which he seemed to get a good chuckle out of. 8)

[hawkeyecub]

Two points of interest to those who didn't see the game. Jason's triple went opposite field into the well. And, his homer went an estimated 440' to staight away center (maybe a little to the right). Not shabby.

To be completely fair, the triple was probably a fly out if: 1) the wind weren't blowing out, or 2) Marrero had done a decent job of tracking it and going back on it (which I believe was influenced by (1) ).

 

Still, he drove two balls the opposite way and crushed a home run to dead center that would have been gone with a wind blowing in at 15 MPH.

 

Not a bad day for "the Creature".

 

Where did that nickname come from? I've seen him called that many times over the last two years, but have been clueless as to where it came from.

[stuy119]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

[goonys evil twin]

Didn't have a chance to look up the game thread, but I haven't seen him being mentioned by himself either. What were the thoughts on his performance from yesterday? I know he struggled when PH'ing, but did he look comfortable when playing a full game? Any thoughts or discussion on the probablility of him seeing significant playing time next year?

I'd be fine with Dubois as our starting LF (or RF) next year...if an impact player is added somewhere else. Jason's problem is that he's another right handed power hitter in a lineup replete with them.

 

This is true. But another thing to consider if Jason will take the occasional walk, a big difference with most of the rest of the team. He's got .123 walks per at bat as a minor leaguer, compared to the Cubs team which drew just .087. Dubois isn't the ideal man to fill in LF, assuming the rest of the team stays pretty similar to how it is. But he's not a bad option. If they somehow trade Sammy, and make changes elsewhere, Dubois might end up being the best option for LF.

[BigbadB]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

 

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

[AAApittsburgh]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

I'd ask for Reyes before Matsui. Doesn't mean I'd get him, but I'd at least ask. I don't know if Matsui's defense is good enough at short. I'd put him at 2b and then look for another shortstop.

[wastra]

I really don't care if he hits righty or lefty.

 

I want a guy who simply gets on base and knows how to hit. I don't care if he swings with his feet if he can do that.

 

Granted, Baker will never allow him to face a righty, so..... :?

[scs_paradise]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

 

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

 

What about dubois, patterson, mags in the OF with Aram, Nomar, Matsui, Lee and Barrett? I would love this team!

 

edit: It would be a young team that you could keep together for quite a while!

[Dr. Cub]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

 

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

 

I would say a big reason would be that obviously the player has to WANT to go to the team. I would say that would make it diificult to sign most of them. Not impossible, just difficult. In addition, none of them would put butts in the seats like Sosa would. More butts equals more money equals more revenue equals better teams equals more butts equals.............you get the idea.

[CubsaredaChamps]

IMO, Jason Dubois has a chance to be a star. Again, that's just my opinion.

[cubbieblue too]

Hah.. when Dubois would make a hit all the people in the bleachers would say " Sosa sucks" I felt bad lol.. kind of. I thought he was just awesome how he came out there and bam did his stuff after sitting bench for so long.. what a bore.

 

ps. remember todd hollandsworth? I miss the fellow!

[BigbadB]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

 

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

 

I would say a big reason would be that obviously the player has to WANT to go to the team. I would say that would make it diificult to sign most of them. Not impossible, just difficult. In addition, none of them would put butts in the seats like Sosa would. More butts equals more money equals more revenue equals better teams equals more butts equals.............you get the idea.

 

Money makes a guy want to go to a team. It's why A-Rod went to Texas. It's why Mike Hampton went to Colorado. It's why Pudge went to Detroit.

 

NYM has a lot going for them. They have a lot of money available and they have some key guys that are young and inexpensive. Why wouldn't a guy want to play for the Mets?

 

I guess I just can't grasp why the Mets would skip out on all the big name free agents and give up some of their players for a guy who is clearly not the same player he once was.

[AAApittsburgh]

He also got to a shot down the right field line quickly and fired a strike to 2nd base to keep the hitter from advancing.

 

Dubois is an interesting problem. He's most likely ready for a major league job. However, what's his value as a Cub if he doesn't play everyday? I don't think he's someone you can give a back up job to, as he will rust sitting on the bench. You could go with him as a platoon, but the right handed hitter will get the lesser amount of playing time due to the high percentage of right handed pitchers (ignoring the way Dusty used Grudz and Walker this season).

 

The other issue is that Lee, Sosa, Ramirez, Barrett and possibly Nomar make the line up right hand dominant, something the team struggled with this year. LF is a place we can upgrade with a lefty bat, and possibly a top of the order OBP type guy, something else the team is sorely lacking.

 

If we went with Dubois in left, I'm not really sure why we shouldn't just resign Moises to a 1 year deal, since Dubois will most likely be a lesser Moises, at least at the plate. And I want Moises gone.

 

IMO, LF is where the Cubs need to address the top of the order, assuming Todd Walker comes back and hits 2nd.

 

LF lead off hitter, Walker, Nomar, Aramis, Patterson, Sosa, Lee, Barrett

 

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

 

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

 

I would say a big reason would be that obviously the player has to WANT to go to the team. I would say that would make it diificult to sign most of them. Not impossible, just difficult. In addition, none of them would put butts in the seats like Sosa would. More butts equals more money equals more revenue equals better teams equals more butts equals.............you get the idea.

 

Money makes a guy want to go to a team. It's why A-Rod went to Texas. It's why Mike Hampton went to Colorado. It's why Pudge went to Detroit.

 

NYM has a lot going for them. They have a lot of money available and they have some key guys that are young and inexpensive. Why wouldn't a guy want to play for the Mets?

 

I guess I just can't grasp why the Mets would skip out on all the big name free agents and give up some of their players for a guy who is clearly not the same player he once was.

Because Sammy might bring more people to the park than someone like Beltran will.

[goonys evil twin]

Money makes a guy want to go to a team. It's why A-Rod went to Texas. It's why Mike Hampton went to Colorado. It's why Pudge went to Detroit.

 

NYM has a lot going for them. They have a lot of money available and they have some key guys that are young and inexpensive. Why wouldn't a guy want to play for the Mets?

 

I guess I just can't grasp why the Mets would skip out on all the big name free agents and give up some of their players for a guy who is clearly not the same player he once was.

 

Kris Benson?

 

The Mets are idiots, and they are run by PR people. Minaya is a Sosa lover and he's been dying to take credit for him since the late 90's. Everybody thought they could have had Vladdy if they wanted him, but they didn't. Everybody thought they could have had any big name free agent since 2000, but all they got was Glavine. You never know with those guys.

[BigbadB]

Money makes a guy want to go to a team. It's why A-Rod went to Texas. It's why Mike Hampton went to Colorado. It's why Pudge went to Detroit.

 

NYM has a lot going for them. They have a lot of money available and they have some key guys that are young and inexpensive. Why wouldn't a guy want to play for the Mets?

 

I guess I just can't grasp why the Mets would skip out on all the big name free agents and give up some of their players for a guy who is clearly not the same player he once was.

 

Kris Benson?

 

The Mets are idiots, and they are run by PR people. Minaya is a Sosa lover and he's been dying to take credit for him since the late 90's. Everybody thought they could have had Vladdy if they wanted him, but they didn't. Everybody thought they could have had any big name free agent since 2000, but all they got was Glavine. You never know with those guys.

 

Kris Benson at half a year and 3m is a big difference from Sammy at 2 years and 35m. The only way Hendry would eat a huge chunk of Sammy's salary would be if we got quality talent in return, and I think the Mets would be boarding the 2005 version of the Titanic if they did that.

 

Hey, if we can get someone to take Sosa, I'm all for it. I honestly thought he finally figured out what he was doing wrong and fixed that problem with 5 games left in the season, unfortunately, he decided to wait until there were only 5 games left to make that adjustment.

 

If nobody takes him, then all I can do is hope that the adjustment he made in those last 5 games of the season carries over to 2005.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't know how the contracts match up, but I wonder if Griffey for Sosa would be a possibility? Both have worn out their welcome and could use a fresh start. Griffey is LH which the Cubs need and the Reds could probably use more RH power not to mention a way to put fans in the seats. I am sure it would never happen because I don't think two players of that level have ever been traded for each other but it would be interesting.

[Lefty]

IMO, Jason Dubois has a chance to be a star. Again, that's just my opinion.

 

DuBois has almost no chance of being a star. As another poster said, he's a good player, but might not fit in the Cubs as currently constituted. I suspect he will go to the Expos in the Wilkerson trade.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

In some ways, Dubois reminds me of Glenallen Hill.

 

Both have similar power and more speed than most players of that size. A notable difference is that Dubois will draw a walk, whereas Hill never did.

 

It's hard to project Dubois as winning any job next season, especially if there is any "proven" veteran on the club.

[Cubfanintheknow]

I would say a big reason would be that obviously the player has to WANT to go to the team. I would say that would make it diificult to sign most of them. Not impossible, just difficult. In addition, none of them would put butts in the seats like Sosa would. More butts equals more money equals more revenue equals better teams equals more butts equals.............you get the idea.

 

What percentage of the three million people who walked through the turnstiles at Wrigley Field this year went to see Sammy Sosa? My guess is less that 10%. And I think I'm being pretty generous. I went to eight games this year (two more at Miller Park and a couple during spring training, too!). I went to see the team, not him. Five years ago I would have answered differently. But not now.

 

Edited for spelling.

[goonys evil twin]

I would say a big reason would be that obviously the player has to WANT to go to the team. I would say that would make it diificult to sign most of them. Not impossible, just difficult. In addition, none of them would put butts in the seats like Sosa would. More butts equals more money equals more revenue equals better teams equals more butts equals.............you get the idea.

 

What percentage of the three million people who walked through the turnstiles at Wrigley Field this year went to see Sammy Sosa? My guess is less that 10%. And I think I'm being pretty generous. I went to eight games this year (two more at Miller Park and a couple during spring training, too!). I went to see the team, not him. Five years ago I would have answered differently. But not now.

 

Edited for spelling.

 

I was at Shea when the Cubs played, and I would guess anywhere from 3-5% of the people there showed up at least partially because Sammy was in town.

[Banedon]

I'd love it. But why would the Mets make that deal? Why wouldn't they just sign Beltran themselves? Or Richie Sexson? or Carlos Delgado? or JD Drew? Etc...

 

And why would they trade Kazmir? :P

 

The Mets have to play to a fickle audience. I don't think Matsui is very popular with the fans there after his performance this year. Maybe they feel if they can get a player the caliber of Sammy for him, that it's a good deal?

 

I just totally made that up.

[sunnydoo]

As probably one of the few posters that have actually seen Dubois play more than a couple games, I can assure you that most of what you are hearing is hype. He will be the '05 version of Hill and Choi, but with a lot less talent.

 

Can he be a MLB player? Yes. Can he make it as a starter? Probably. Will he be a star? No. I would project him to hit around .265ish with 25 HRs a year. I would compare him to Grieve. Not bad, but not a perennial AllStar. And a ton of fricking Ks.

[goonys evil twin]

As probably one of the few posters that have actually seen Dubois play more than a couple games, I can assure you that most of what you are hearing is hype. He will be the '05 version of Hill and Choi, but with a lot less talent.

 

Can he be a MLB player? Yes. Can he make it as a starter? Probably. Will he be a star? No. I would project him to hit around .265ish with 25 HRs a year. I would compare him to Grieve. Not bad, but not a perennial AllStar. And a ton of fricking Ks.

 

Hype? Nobody has talked about him outside of the people around here who closely follow the minor leagues. How is Grieve not bad?