Bears off-season thread 2022

[Old Style]

What the horsefeathers is this organization doing?

 

[jersey cubs fan]

Between his gutting of team, indifference toward Fields, and rumored shopping of Jenkins, it reads to me like Poles wants a clear reset from the Pace era. I think Fields has to win on his own to keep his job in 2023. I wouldn’t bet on a Smith extension (unless his self representation can be manipulated) and think Montgomery is probably dealt if they start slow. Wouldn’t rule out a Mooney trade. Poles seems to be doing what most other Chicago teams have done of late and is hoping to lose a lot this year and draft high next year.

Smith messed up by saying maybe the McCaskeys can salvage this, weakening his hand. But this is what it comes down to. Poles wants to take advantage of an unrepresented player, and if he can’t he’ll move on from another Pace guy in the name of getting guys who buy in to another rah rah BS system.

[WrigleyField 22]

WELP.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Good. Never extend anyone but quarterbacks and offensive linemen

[jumbo]

Between his gutting of team, indifference toward Fields, and rumored shopping of Jenkins, it reads to me like Poles wants a clear reset from the Pace era. I think Fields has to win on his own to keep his job in 2023. I wouldn’t bet on a Smith extension (unless his self representation can be manipulated) and think Montgomery is probably dealt if they start slow. Wouldn’t rule out a Mooney trade. Poles seems to be doing what most other Chicago teams have done of late and is hoping to lose a lot this year and draft high next year.

Smith messed up by saying maybe the McCaskeys can salvage this, weakening his hand. But this is what it comes down to. Poles wants to take advantage of an unrepresented player, and if he can’t he’ll move on from another Pace guy in the name of getting guys who buy in to another rah rah BS system.

 

When I heard Roquan didn't have an agent my concern would be that he wouldn't have a counterweight to his own thinking. Maybe Roquan wanted to be the highest paid MLB in the league, and Poles didn't want to go that far. Without an agent to advise him on what he should be targeting there is no one to bring things back.

I get Roquan wants to cash in, all players do and he deserves a payday, but I see how him representing himself would be problematic.

 

We'll see once details come out what the offers were...

[Wilson A2000]

Between his gutting of team, indifference toward Fields, and rumored shopping of Jenkins, it reads to me like Poles wants a clear reset from the Pace era. I think Fields has to win on his own to keep his job in 2023. I wouldn’t bet on a Smith extension (unless his self representation can be manipulated) and think Montgomery is probably dealt if they start slow. Wouldn’t rule out a Mooney trade. Poles seems to be doing what most other Chicago teams have done of late and is hoping to lose a lot this year and draft high next year.

Smith messed up by saying maybe the McCaskeys can salvage this, weakening his hand. But this is what it comes down to. Poles wants to take advantage of an unrepresented player, and if he can’t he’ll move on from another Pace guy in the name of getting guys who buy in to another rah rah BS system.

 

Why are the only options taking advantage of an underrepresented player or move on from him and not pay him market value if you like him as a player?

[JeffH]

USA Today:

 

In the letter, Smith claims that the Bears new regime, led by first-year general manager Ryan Pace, has "refused to negotiate in good faith." Smith added that he and Chicago's front office had been negotiating since April without a deal being reached.

[Wilson A2000]

USA Today:

 

In the letter, Smith claims that the Bears new regime, led by first-year general manager Ryan Pace, has "refused to negotiate in good faith." Smith added that he and Chicago's front office had been negotiating since April without a deal being reached.

 

He’s been talking to the wrong guy all along!

[jersey cubs fan]

USA Today:

 

In the letter, Smith claims that the Bears new regime, led by first-year general manager Ryan Pace, has "refused to negotiate in good faith." Smith added that he and Chicago's front office had been negotiating since April without a deal being reached.

Didn’t know Bob covered football

[Tryptamine]

Starting to feel like we somehow downgraded at GM. I know it's nearly impossible for that to be the case for the HC, but damn this has been a horrendous offseason so far.

[UMFan83]

 

[UMFan83]

Starting to feel like we somehow downgraded at GM. I know it's nearly impossible for that to be the case for the HC, but damn this has been a horrendous offseason so far.

 

I get that he's doing a teardown and purging the previous FO's guys, but not sure how dumping talent for 50 cents on the dollar is helping the team long term. The Bears hired him to fulfill his vision of building a winning team and we just have to trust that he is doing that, or at the very least go along for the ride and hope it works out.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy, but I think he's taken it quite a bit farther than most people would.

[Tryptamine]

Starting to feel like we somehow downgraded at GM. I know it's nearly impossible for that to be the case for the HC, but damn this has been a horrendous offseason so far.

 

I get that he's doing a teardown and purging the previous FO's guys, but not sure how dumping talent for 50 cents on the dollar is helping the team long term. The Bears hired him to fulfill his vision of building a winning team and we just have to trust that he is doing that, or at the very least go along for the ride and hope it works out.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy, but I think he's taken it quite a bit farther than most people would.

 

The way he's stripping the team down, Fields is going to be at the end of his contract before they ends up putting anything competitive on the field.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is the first thing I've liked from Poles since early in the offseason.

 

 

There's no way to tell if this is a real blow-up or a negotiating tactic until something real comes out of it.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Hairyducked Idiot

[UMFan83]

With the 5-12 Panthers being today's "Why Your Team Sucks" team of the day, it looks as though the Bears will be tomorrow's team on the Defector. Always an enjoyable read as there is usually a ton of stuff you can talk about. Come on Drew, make it hurt.

[SpongeWorthy]

Good. Never extend anyone but quarterbacks and offensive linemen

 

the last two super bowl champs extended off ball linebackers, d-lineman, wide receivers, and DBs

 

i see your thrust but you need elite talent at other spots too

[jersey cubs fan]

Starting to feel like we somehow downgraded at GM. I know it's nearly impossible for that to be the case for the HC, but damn this has been a horrendous offseason so far.

 

I get that he's doing a teardown and purging the previous FO's guys, but not sure how dumping talent for 50 cents on the dollar is helping the team long term. The Bears hired him to fulfill his vision of building a winning team and we just have to trust that he is doing that, or at the very least go along for the ride and hope it works out.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy, but I think he's taken it quite a bit farther than most people would.

 

The way he's stripping the team down, Fields is going to be at the end of his contract before they ends up putting anything competitive on the field.

its better than even odds he won’t be on the team by then

[champaignchris]

 

I get that he's doing a teardown and purging the previous FO's guys, but not sure how dumping talent for 50 cents on the dollar is helping the team long term. The Bears hired him to fulfill his vision of building a winning team and we just have to trust that he is doing that, or at the very least go along for the ride and hope it works out.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with the strategy, but I think he's taken it quite a bit farther than most people would.

 

The way he's stripping the team down, Fields is going to be at the end of his contract before they ends up putting anything competitive on the field.

its better than even odds he won’t be on the team by then

 

Right. The most likely scenario is that Fields won’t be the starting QB on the next Bears playoff team. The timing just doesn’t work out. They’re going to have to make a decision on his fifth year option before they even get a chance to see him behind a competent o-line.

[UMFan83]

 

The way he's stripping the team down, Fields is going to be at the end of his contract before they ends up putting anything competitive on the field.

its better than even odds he won’t be on the team by then

 

Right. The most likely scenario is that Fields won’t be the starting QB on the next Bears playoff team. The timing just doesn’t work out. They’re going to have to make a decision on his fifth year option before they even get a chance to see him behind a competent o-line.

 

I feel like his talent should shine through if he's as good as we hope he is. Wouldn't be the first young QB that has been able to put it together despite crappy offensive infrastructure. It's not like very many elite QBs fail on their first team due to lack of talent surrounding them and then become an elite QB on their 2nd team. If he needs tons of talent around him to be successful, that's fine but he's probably a couple tiers below the elite QBs (think Ryan Tannehill or Alex Smith). If Fields is the guy, we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of this year unless he misses most of the season with injuries.

[jersey cubs fan]

its better than even odds he won’t be on the team by then

 

Right. The most likely scenario is that Fields won’t be the starting QB on the next Bears playoff team. The timing just doesn’t work out. They’re going to have to make a decision on his fifth year option before they even get a chance to see him behind a competent o-line.

 

I feel like his talent should shine through if he's as good as we hope he is. Wouldn't be the first young QB that has been able to put it together despite crappy offensive infrastructure. It's not like very many elite QBs fail on their first team due to lack of talent surrounding them and then become an elite QB on their 2nd team. If he needs tons of talent around him to be successful, that's fine but he's probably a couple tiers below the elite QBs (think Ryan Tannehill or Alex Smith). If Fields is the guy, we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of this year unless he misses most of the season with injuries.

Very few guys have been handed both an awful line and receiver group. One or the other, fine, the great ones will find a way to make it work. This isn’t that situation.

[UMFan83]

 

Right. The most likely scenario is that Fields won’t be the starting QB on the next Bears playoff team. The timing just doesn’t work out. They’re going to have to make a decision on his fifth year option before they even get a chance to see him behind a competent o-line.

 

I feel like his talent should shine through if he's as good as we hope he is. Wouldn't be the first young QB that has been able to put it together despite crappy offensive infrastructure. It's not like very many elite QBs fail on their first team due to lack of talent surrounding them and then become an elite QB on their 2nd team. If he needs tons of talent around him to be successful, that's fine but he's probably a couple tiers below the elite QBs (think Ryan Tannehill or Alex Smith). If Fields is the guy, we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of this year unless he misses most of the season with injuries.

Very few guys have been handed both an awful line and receiver group. One or the other, fine, the great ones will find a way to make it work. This isn’t that situation.

 

I'm just saying, I cannot come up with a great example of 1st round pick that failed with his first team and becomes elite with another team. Brees already had an all-pro caliber season in San Diego. Favre only had 2 starts in Atlanta. Maybe Steve Young, but he became Montana's backup for several seasons before getting another chance to start. If it happens it would be fairly unprecedented IMO. If he's elite I think he will show enough to prove it before the Bears have to make a decision on his option.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

No one loves a good doom boner more than me, but writing off fields next three seasons is a bit much even for me

[David]

Pretty sweet catch

[champaignchris]

No one loves a good doom boner more than me, but writing off fields next three seasons is a bit much even for me

 

Next 2 seasons. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe they have to decide on the 5th year option after year 3.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I feel like his talent should shine through if he's as good as we hope he is. Wouldn't be the first young QB that has been able to put it together despite crappy offensive infrastructure. It's not like very many elite QBs fail on their first team due to lack of talent surrounding them and then become an elite QB on their 2nd team. If he needs tons of talent around him to be successful, that's fine but he's probably a couple tiers below the elite QBs (think Ryan Tannehill or Alex Smith). If Fields is the guy, we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of this year unless he misses most of the season with injuries.

Very few guys have been handed both an awful line and receiver group. One or the other, fine, the great ones will find a way to make it work. This isn’t that situation.

 

I'm just saying, I cannot come up with a great example of 1st round pick that failed with his first team and becomes elite.

Okay? I’m not talking about his next team. I’m talking about his time with this team. The front office has sabotaged any chance for success this year and they have a hard on for dumping guys the previous regime drafted.