Bears off-season thread 2022

[Tryptamine]

Deebo Samuel has requested a trade from the 49ers. He's on the last year of his rookie contract so it would take a contract extension, but he's very young, super productive and would give Fields a true #1 WR. I'd love to add him to the squad, I just wonder if the Bears have the draft capital to pull something like this off when they have so many other holes to fill.

 

Adams took a 1 and 2. Tyreke Hill took a 1 and 2 + some day 3 picks next year. Bears don't have the 1 to give this year, but a 2 this year (39) and a 1st next year, would probably get the deal done. That being said, I don't think it's likely. Won't cost as much AAV and we know he fits in what Getsy says he's going to run, but I just can't see it with the way Poles has played the rest of this offseason.

 

I'd agree, it's very unlikely. It's just a shame when we have an unprecedented amount of top tier WR on the move this offseason, a position the Bears badly need to fill, and the Bears are probably not in on any of them.

[raw]

Deebo Samuel has requested a trade from the 49ers. He's on the last year of his rookie contract so it would take a contract extension, but he's very young, super productive and would give Fields a true #1 WR. I'd love to add him to the squad, I just wonder if the Bears have the draft capital to pull something like this off when they have so many other holes to fill.

 

Adams took a 1 and 2. Tyreke Hill took a 1 and 2 + some day 3 picks next year. Bears don't have the 1 to give this year, but a 2 this year (39) and a 1st next year, would probably get the deal done. That being said, I don't think it's likely. Won't cost as much AAV and we know he fits in what Getsy says he's going to run, but I just can't see it with the way Poles has played the rest of this offseason.

 

I'd agree, it's very unlikely. It's just a shame when we have an unprecedented amount of top tier WR on the move this offseason, a position the Bears badly need to fill, and the Bears are probably not in on any of them.

 

Is it though? Only thing better than trading for a top tier WR, is drafting a top tier WR and having him in team control for 4 years (+ tag potential for 2 more). Also the guys traded or rumored so far: Adams, Hill, AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK were all 2nd round picks or later. So that could be reason to not trade for a guy. Mooney has to be paid in the next 2 years as well. So, if you traded for one of these guys, sure you'd have a really nice WR room, but you'd also be looking at 35-40M worth of WRs in a couple years. That money isn't a huge deal with a QB on a rookie salary, but the reason the ones that have been traded were traded is because they had QBs making huge money.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I realize you're being logical raw, but the lack of entertaining moves by Poles really annoys me.

[WrigleyField 22]

Here's your entertainment minny

[jumbo]

 

Adams took a 1 and 2. Tyreke Hill took a 1 and 2 + some day 3 picks next year. Bears don't have the 1 to give this year, but a 2 this year (39) and a 1st next year, would probably get the deal done. That being said, I don't think it's likely. Won't cost as much AAV and we know he fits in what Getsy says he's going to run, but I just can't see it with the way Poles has played the rest of this offseason.

 

I'd agree, it's very unlikely. It's just a shame when we have an unprecedented amount of top tier WR on the move this offseason, a position the Bears badly need to fill, and the Bears are probably not in on any of them.

 

Is it though? Only thing better than trading for a top tier WR, is drafting a top tier WR and having him in team control for 4 years (+ tag potential for 2 more). Also the guys traded or rumored so far: Adams, Hill, AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK were all 2nd round picks or later. So that could be reason to not trade for a guy. Mooney has to be paid in the next 2 years as well. So, if you traded for one of these guys, sure you'd have a really nice WR room, but you'd also be looking at 35-40M worth of WRs in a couple years. That money isn't a huge deal with a QB on a rookie salary, but the reason the ones that have been traded were traded is because they had QBs making huge money.

 

This is the bad thing about not moving on from Pace/Nagy a year earlier. Assume we shed the bad contracts last year, committed to Fields for all of lest season, allowed him an entire season of snaps/development in the new system. Picking up a guy like Deebo could be an option then, but I agree with raw that paying in trade and contract is unlikely.

 

The chatter about WR's demanding so much cap and therefore drafting a receiver is a better option is funny to me.

Of course drafting a high performing reciever is better than trade/high dollar extension. It's the same for every position and not as easy as it seems.

[WrigleyField 22]

BTW can we update this title since "Pace/Nagy" FIRED ain't exactly breaking news anymore.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Here's your entertainment minny

Speechless

[raw]

 

I'd agree, it's very unlikely. It's just a shame when we have an unprecedented amount of top tier WR on the move this offseason, a position the Bears badly need to fill, and the Bears are probably not in on any of them.

 

Is it though? Only thing better than trading for a top tier WR, is drafting a top tier WR and having him in team control for 4 years (+ tag potential for 2 more). Also the guys traded or rumored so far: Adams, Hill, AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK were all 2nd round picks or later. So that could be reason to not trade for a guy. Mooney has to be paid in the next 2 years as well. So, if you traded for one of these guys, sure you'd have a really nice WR room, but you'd also be looking at 35-40M worth of WRs in a couple years. That money isn't a huge deal with a QB on a rookie salary, but the reason the ones that have been traded were traded is because they had QBs making huge money.

 

This is the bad thing about not moving on from Pace/Nagy a year earlier. Assume we shed the bad contracts last year, committed to Fields for all of lest season, allowed him an entire season of snaps/development in the new system. Picking up a guy like Deebo could be an option then, but I agree with raw that paying in trade and contract is unlikely.

 

The chatter about WR's demanding so much cap and therefore drafting a receiver is a better option is funny to me.

Of course drafting a high performing reciever is better than trade/high dollar extension. It's the same for every position and not as easy as it seems.

 

Thing is, if they moved on from Pace/Nagy after 2020, Poles or whoever the new GM would have been, probably doesn't trade up for Fields last year. All new GMs are big on talking "build thru the draft". I don't see anyone coming in and making a bold move like giving up a future pick for Fields. That's basically tying your tenure as a GM to Fields. And if he fails, you're looking at 3 years on the job at most.

[Derwood]

BTW can we update this title since "Pace/Nagy" FIRED ain't exactly breaking news anymore.

 

It's still the most exciting thing that's happened this off season

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Is it though? Only thing better than trading for a top tier WR, is drafting a top tier WR and having him in team control for 4 years (+ tag potential for 2 more). Also the guys traded or rumored so far: Adams, Hill, AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK were all 2nd round picks or later. So that could be reason to not trade for a guy. Mooney has to be paid in the next 2 years as well. So, if you traded for one of these guys, sure you'd have a really nice WR room, but you'd also be looking at 35-40M worth of WRs in a couple years. That money isn't a huge deal with a QB on a rookie salary, but the reason the ones that have been traded were traded is because they had QBs making huge money.

 

This is the bad thing about not moving on from Pace/Nagy a year earlier. Assume we shed the bad contracts last year, committed to Fields for all of lest season, allowed him an entire season of snaps/development in the new system. Picking up a guy like Deebo could be an option then, but I agree with raw that paying in trade and contract is unlikely.

 

The chatter about WR's demanding so much cap and therefore drafting a receiver is a better option is funny to me.

Of course drafting a high performing reciever is better than trade/high dollar extension. It's the same for every position and not as easy as it seems.

 

Thing is, if they moved on from Pace/Nagy after 2020, Poles or whoever the new GM would have been, probably doesn't trade up for Fields last year. All new GMs are big on talking "build thru the draft". I don't see anyone coming in and making a bold move like giving up a future pick for Fields. That's basically tying your tenure as a GM to Fields. And if he fails, you're looking at 3 years on the job at most.

 

 

I mean why do anything? there are risks involved!!

[WrigleyField 22]

 

This is the bad thing about not moving on from Pace/Nagy a year earlier. Assume we shed the bad contracts last year, committed to Fields for all of lest season, allowed him an entire season of snaps/development in the new system. Picking up a guy like Deebo could be an option then, but I agree with raw that paying in trade and contract is unlikely.

 

The chatter about WR's demanding so much cap and therefore drafting a receiver is a better option is funny to me.

Of course drafting a high performing reciever is better than trade/high dollar extension. It's the same for every position and not as easy as it seems.

 

Thing is, if they moved on from Pace/Nagy after 2020, Poles or whoever the new GM would have been, probably doesn't trade up for Fields last year. All new GMs are big on talking "build thru the draft". I don't see anyone coming in and making a bold move like giving up a future pick for Fields. That's basically tying your tenure as a GM to Fields. And if he fails, you're looking at 3 years on the job at most.

 

 

I mean why do anything? there are risks involved!!

I don't think raw is defending non action in that case.

 

But yes football men are among the most needlessly conservative bunch of decision makers in the world. But yea, they do get risk being fired in 3 years from their billionaire fantasy football owners so its self preservation sometimes too (their billionaire owners also being needlessly conservative)

[UMFan83]

 

 

[CubinNY]

 

 

Not exactly a glowing reveiw.

[UMFan83]

 

 

Not exactly a glowing reveiw.

 

Yeah I mean it doesn't mean a ton especially given the new offense, new coaches, new receivers and working on mechanics but getting a report like that during fluff season is certainly not what you want to see. Plenty of time though.

[WrigleyField 22]

At least he's getting all the reps this offseason.

[Proven Veteran]

I'm happy if they are hard on him, he needs to get better and learn how to play in the NFL. Last year was nearly worthless in his development.

[Bertz]

I'm happy if they are hard on him, he needs to get better and learn how to play in the NFL. Last year was nearly worthless in his development.

 

Yeah if your team is moonwalking through practices it probably means they weren't hard enough.

[David]

I'm happy if they are hard on him, he needs to get better and learn how to play in the NFL. Last year was nearly worthless in his development.

 

eh i agree with the overall sentiment (the coaching staff failed him hard) but i think nearly worthless is much too far. i feel much better going into year 2 with him having had several games at NFL speed under his belt going into this offseason than I would had he not played. he knows first hand what it looks like now.

[Proven Veteran]

I'm happy if they are hard on him, he needs to get better and learn how to play in the NFL. Last year was nearly worthless in his development.

 

eh i agree with the overall sentiment (the coaching staff failed him hard) but i think nearly worthless is much too far. i feel much better going into year 2 with him having had several games at NFL speed under his belt going into this offseason than I would had he not played. he knows first hand what it looks like now.

I agree with this, I just mean he wasn't really given the tools to improve.

[raw]

As is typical, the Bears had a bunch of people in to try out during minicamp. They actually signed 3 of them.

 

Julie'n Davenport, OT, former starting LT of the Texans. He played so well that they traded multiple 1sts for Laremy Tunsil. He has had some decent moments though and was a guy I liked coming out of college.

 

David Moore, WR, former Seahawks WR who had some nice games and looked like he was breaking out a couple different times. Spent a few weeks in GB this past year.

 

Greg Stroman, Jr, CB. Chicago has now cornered the market (no pun) on athletic Stromans (Stromen?). Played a lot of nickel as a rookie in Washington, showed promise. Hasn't done much since.

[WrigleyField 22]

Over the Cap released their trade chart in a interactive tool that includes positional adjustment and I've been geeking out today.

 

Draft day is too far away still.

 

[mias_tisg]

[UK]

Hopefully the Bears are pondering the possibility of the Giants trading Toney.

[raw]

Hopefully the Bears are pondering the possibility of the Giants trading Toney.

 

I doubt he's going anywhere. He showed up at minicamp or whatever, and supposedly didn't have teams willing to give up enough for him. I heard Day 3 picks for a guy that was just picked 20 last year. The Bears would have the inside advantage with Tyke Tolbert being the Giants WR coach last year. If he thinks he can deal with and get the best out of Toney, I think they'd certainly be in the talks. Price tag is 3 years/$6M for him with his signing bonus already paid.

[Outshined_One]

I'm mulling over the scenarios where I'd want the Bears to trade up today. On the one hand, the Bears need depth and there might be something to be said for trading back from 39 or 48 tomorrow for an extra third or fourth round pick. On the other hand, there are some intriguing names at WR and OL that could/should be available around the back half of the first round, and if it means increasing the odds of hitting on an offensive player, the Bears need to take it.

 

Much like everything, it is situational. Additionally, most of us likely are not huge fans of trading up for guys following Pace's tenure, so I can understand if most everyone here would be against the idea of doing it.