Week 7: Bears at Buccaneers

[Wilson A2000]

When you combine well below average talent with a head coach who is the worst in the league, the worst in franchise history, and one of the very worst the NFL has ever seen, the results are not going to be good.

 

Nagy is a bad coach, but he’s been to the playoffs twice. Nowhere near the worst coach in the league or worst in franchise history.

[UMFan83]

 

Never seen that happen before much less 2 weeks in a row. Maybe don’t throw it deep unless you see the flag on the play ? I don’t know how you can coach something like that

[CubinNY]

I’m not much of a scout or whatever, but I think fields has the tools to be a good QB. He doesn’t have the talent around him. However, you can see the separation between him and Brady. He needs a good coach(es), game plan, and talent.

[Soul]

We should sit him if Dalton is healthy. I don’t think we should even be put in this position of debating whether he’s good or bad. Fields is not ready, that is all. It doesn’t mean anything. What does mean something is a bad head coach trotting him out there with a substandard line. That’ll crush him.

[raw]

We should sit him if Dalton is healthy. I don’t think we should even be put in this position of debating whether he’s good or bad. Fields is not ready, that is all. It doesn’t mean anything. What does mean something is a bad head coach trotting him out there with a substandard line. That’ll crush him.

 

See here's what I don't like about this. Everybody pressured Nagy into playing Fields. Nagy told everyone he wasn't ready. But clearly the pressure from outside and above influenced his decision to start Fields. You can't now say he should sit Fields because he's not ready. Will a bad coach crush him more than getting benched for poor performance after 5 games? Essentially, we made our bed and now we have to lie in it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Today sucked, but when 1/2 your team has COVID when you play the SB champs, it was bound to be terrible.

 

 

Nagys offense just doesnt fit Fields. Maybe he figures it out. Maybe it's both of them.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm far more sent on ditching Nagy/Pace then Fields.

 

 

1)Foles

2)Graham

3) Cohen

4) Leno

5) Fuller

6) o-line

 

 

I'm far more willing to give another group of coaches/GM a chance with Fields then to continue the horseshit Pace/Nagy have given us

[Soul]

We should sit him if Dalton is healthy. I don’t think we should even be put in this position of debating whether he’s good or bad. Fields is not ready, that is all. It doesn’t mean anything. What does mean something is a bad head coach trotting him out there with a substandard line. That’ll crush him.

 

See here's what I don't like about this. Everybody pressured Nagy into playing Fields. Nagy told everyone he wasn't ready. But clearly the pressure from outside and above influenced his decision to start Fields. You can't now say he should sit Fields because he's not ready. Will a bad coach crush him more than getting benched for poor performance after 5 games? Essentially, we made our bed and now we have to lie in it.

It’s a tough call no doubt. But Dalton‘s injury also influenced this decision. I think you can sit Fields back down and have it not be for poor performance in the sense that the organization feels he’s not good enough. I think it can be done in a way that is less damaging to his future than continuing to send him out there right now.

[raw]

We should sit him if Dalton is healthy. I don’t think we should even be put in this position of debating whether he’s good or bad. Fields is not ready, that is all. It doesn’t mean anything. What does mean something is a bad head coach trotting him out there with a substandard line. That’ll crush him.

 

See here's what I don't like about this. Everybody pressured Nagy into playing Fields. Nagy told everyone he wasn't ready. But clearly the pressure from outside and above influenced his decision to start Fields. You can't now say he should sit Fields because he's not ready. Will a bad coach crush him more than getting benched for poor performance after 5 games? Essentially, we made our bed and now we have to lie in it.

It’s a tough call no doubt. But Dalton‘s injury also influenced this decision. I think you can sit Fields back down and have it not be for poor performance in the sense that the organization feels he’s not good enough. I think it can be done in a way that is less damaging to his future than continuing to send him out there right now.

 

I don't know how distinguishing the reason why he's getting benched would matter. Fields isn't stupid, he knows he's not playing well. He knows if they bench him, it will be because of his performance.

[Wilson A2000]

I'm far more sent on ditching Nagy/Pace then Fields.

 

 

1)Foles

2)Graham

3) Cohen

4) Leno

5) Fuller

6) o-line

 

 

I'm far more willing to give another group of coaches/GM a chance with Fields then to continue the horsefeathers Pace/Nagy have given us

 

Everyone was clamoring for an experienced backup QB last year to compete with Mitch, hence Foles. Graham was your leading TD catcher last year and great in the red zone. Cohen’s hurt, how is that Pace’s fault? Leno sucked last year and Jenkins was drafted. Is Peters any worse than Leno? Fuller just got benched in Denver. Eddie Jackson decided to be a wuss and give up on any play that’s not a ball thrown at him. I think the Bears are drafting ok as far as the oline goes. They haven’t spent money on stud FAs, but you can argue they usually don’t get to free agency.

 

Pace sucks and has to go, but I don’t think the ones you mentioned are the biggest issues. The Bears are still recovering from drafting Mitch and a lack of spending on the offense are the bigger issues.

[d_money]

Fields should ask for a trade (totally over exaggerated comment). Chicago was the place where receivers would come to die, now it’s the place where QB’s come to die.

[Soul]

Could be worse. Could be Detroit.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Fields should ask for a trade (totally over exaggerated comment). Chicago was the place where receivers would come to die, now it’s the place where QB’s come to die.

Now? It's forever QB hell, 7th level

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm far more sent on ditching Nagy/Pace then Fields.

 

 

1)Foles

2)Graham

3) Cohen

4) Leno

5) Fuller

6) o-line

 

 

I'm far more willing to give another group of coaches/GM a chance with Fields then to continue the horsefeathers Pace/Nagy have given us

 

Everyone was clamoring for an experienced backup QB last year to compete with Mitch, hence Foles. Graham was your leading TD catcher last year and great in the red zone. Cohen’s hurt, how is that Pace’s fault? Leno sucked last year and Jenkins was drafted. Is Peters any worse than Leno? Fuller just got benched in Denver. Eddie Jackson decided to be a wuss and give up on any play that’s not a ball thrown at him. I think the Bears are drafting ok as far as the oline goes. They haven’t spent money on stud FAs, but you can argue they usually don’t get to free agency.

 

Pace sucks and has to go, but I don’t think the ones you mentioned are the biggest issues. The Bears are still recovering from drafting Mitch and a lack of spending on the offense are the bigger issues.

They didn't have to *trade for Foles, they got him because Nagy HAD to have him. They coulda waited out FA a bit more and get Dalton that year which would have made a horsefeathers ton more sense

 

 

ETA: even if Fields is a total miss, you know who you can blame it on?

 

Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy

Edited October 25, 2021 by minnesotacubsfan

[d_money]

Fields should ask for a trade (totally over exaggerated comment). Chicago was the place where receivers would come to die, now it’s the place where QB’s come to die.

Now? It's forever QB hell, 7th level

Ha…totally true. What the hell was I thinking?

[Omar]

I am in Tampa a lot for work. Decided to stay the weekend for this game.

 

Plz fire Nagy.

[BigSlick]

Everyone freaking out needs to settle down. If you were operating under the assumption this year meant anything other than seeing what we have and developing Justin Fields, you were mistaken.

 

We’re not halfway through the season. We just played the best team in the conference at home. The team is bad. The roster is bad.

 

We can’t tell from any of this if Fields is bad.

 

I’m not even going to begin to make any pronouncements about Fields until after this *entire* season. And even then it’s highly preliminary.

Edited October 25, 2021 by BigSlick

[WrigleyField 22]

Everyone freaking out needs to settle down. If you were operating under the assumption this year meant anything other than seeing what we have and developing Justin Fields, you were mistaken.

 

We’re not halfway through the season. We just played the best team in the conference at home. The team is bad. The roster is bad.

 

We can’t tell from any of this if Fields is bad.

While we can't tell what his long term trajectory is, I think it's wrong to say we can't tell of Fields is bad. His current state is what it is, but it would be great if he was great right now.

[Soul]

Another thing, SF is bad. There’s no excuse for today to carry forward to next week. There are miles of difference between the quality of competition today vs 7 days from now.

 

Get it together, win next week and go from there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm far more sent on ditching Nagy/Pace then Fields.

 

 

1)Foles

2)Graham

3) Cohen

4) Leno

5) Fuller

6) o-line

 

 

I'm far more willing to give another group of coaches/GM a chance with Fields then to continue the horsefeathers Pace/Nagy have given us

 

Everyone was clamoring for an experienced backup QB last year to compete with Mitch, hence Foles. Graham was your leading TD catcher last year and great in the red zone. Cohen’s hurt, how is that Pace’s fault? Leno sucked last year and Jenkins was drafted. Is Peters any worse than Leno? Fuller just got benched in Denver. Eddie Jackson decided to be a wuss and give up on any play that’s not a ball thrown at him. I think the Bears are drafting ok as far as the oline goes. They haven’t spent money on stud FAs, but you can argue they usually don’t get to free agency.

 

Pace sucks and has to go, but I don’t think the ones you mentioned are the biggest issues. The Bears are still recovering from drafting Mitch and a lack of spending on the offense are the bigger issues.

 

Football players get hurt, some types get hurt more often than others, and that's why you should be *really* careful which ones you give extension to.

[Derwood]

 

Nagy is a bad coach

 

That's all you had to say

[jumbo]

Is there any chance the Bears trade Robinson or any other player on an expiring contract? I don't think they can trade much of anyone that is signed through next year because their cap hit will accelerate to this year, not enough space.

 

I would guess that this is too early for the team to throw in the towel on the season, but it should be obvious that this team will not advance in the playoffs if they could manage to make it. As raw said earlier, they can win against other mediocre teams but are obviously outclassed by the upper tier.

 

Players signed through 21 season and could be valued in trade:

ARob

Hicks (groin)

--major gap--

Graham

--another gap--

Ogletree

SS Gipson

--bad joke--

ODonnell

Scales

[raw]

Is there any chance the Bears trade Robinson or any other player on an expiring contract? I don't think they can trade much of anyone that is signed through next year because their cap hit will accelerate to this year, not enough space.

 

I would guess that this is too early for the team to throw in the towel on the season, but it should be obvious that this team will not advance in the playoffs if they could manage to make it. As raw said earlier, they can win against other mediocre teams but are obviously outclassed by the upper tier.

 

Players signed through 21 season and could be valued in trade:

ARob

Hicks (groin)

--major gap--

Graham

--another gap--

Ogletree

SS Gipson

--bad joke--

ODonnell

Scales

 

Robinson would make a TON of sense to trade, but haven't even heard whispers about him even being available. He's not productive right now. He's clearly disgruntled and his effort appears lacking from my eyes (which could be wrong obviously). Of course, part of the issue is he has a big cap hit and can't negotiate a new deal as a franchise tagged player. But I do wonder if the Bears could get a young WR and a 3rd or 4th for him. Maybe the Rams would be willing to give up Van Jefferson and a 4th to make a big SB run. Maybe the Jets would trade Denzel Mims and a 3rd for the chance to lure Robinson there long-term after the season. Maybe the Ravens (who made midseason trades the last couple years) would take an experienced WR for Devin Duvernay and a 4th. I don't think the rest of those guys are tradeable.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think they'll make any trades.

 

For what it's worth though there is no cap issue for doing so as dead cap acceleration doesn't apply post June 1. Any future dead hits will hit 2022 instead of 2021.

[champaignchris]

Is there any chance the Bears trade Robinson or any other player on an expiring contract? I don't think they can trade much of anyone that is signed through next year because their cap hit will accelerate to this year, not enough space.

 

I would guess that this is too early for the team to throw in the towel on the season, but it should be obvious that this team will not advance in the playoffs if they could manage to make it. As raw said earlier, they can win against other mediocre teams but are obviously outclassed by the upper tier.

 

Players signed through 21 season and could be valued in trade:

ARob

Hicks (groin)

--major gap--

Graham

--another gap--

Ogletree

SS Gipson

--bad joke--

ODonnell

Scales

 

Trading for some picks makes sense to me. But tell that to a GM who traded a pick for a kick returner just 20 days ago.