Week 4: Bears vs Lions

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

[Tryptamine]

I don't think this is going to be popular, but as long as Nagy is the head coach, I don't want to see Fields playing. With each and every snap he takes under Nagy, I feel like there is more and more damage being done to the possibility of Fields being the franchise.

[UMFan83]

I don't think this is going to be popular, but as long as Nagy is the head coach, I don't want to see Fields playing. With each and every snap he takes under Nagy, I feel like there is more and more damage being done to the possibility of Fields being the franchise.

 

I would have strongly disagreed with that take before yesterday, and I probably still disagree but I'm more open to this way of thinking.

 

That said, I am no football savant and have no idea if it would really do any damage. But he sure looked rattled out there late in the game which is not something I expected from Fields, even as a rookie QB making his first start.

[Brian707]

7-4 Lions

[UMFan83]

[Tryptamine]

If the Bears can't win this one, I think it's pretty safe to say that the Giants are getting themselves a top 5, if not 3, pick.

[Wilson A2000]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

[UK]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

 

The end game is correct but the reasoning is wrong.

[raw]

I don't think this is going to be popular, but as long as Nagy is the head coach, I don't want to see Fields playing. With each and every snap he takes under Nagy, I feel like there is more and more damage being done to the possibility of Fields being the franchise.

 

I would have strongly disagreed with that take before yesterday, and I probably still disagree but I'm more open to this way of thinking.

 

That said, I am no football savant and have no idea if it would really do any damage. But he sure looked rattled out there late in the game which is not something I expected from Fields, even as a rookie QB making his first start.

 

Yeah, yesterday was pretty bad. It's hard to even say that Fields would have been better yesterday had he had time with the 1s before last week or if he got a legit chance to compete for the job in camp. But it couldn't have been any worse.

[UMFan83]

random Bears question not related to firing Nagy. I had an argument with a friend today that the 2005 Bears defense was better than the 2018 defense and he seemed shocked that I would have that opinion. We are both old enough to have watched every game from both teams. But maybe I'm just being nostalgic as I was in my early 20s back then and it was the 2nd good Bears team that I could remember watching (after flukey 2001).

 

I think statistically the 2018 team fares better especially against the run, but IIRC the 2018 schedule was pretty easy over all and the 2005 schedule wasn't. Plus while the 2018 offense was probably a little below average, the 2005 offense was beyond anemic and if I had to guess the 2005 defense had to be on the field more because of it.

 

It just felt like the 2005 defense shut everyone down (except in the playoffs) and it didn't matter if the Bears offense couldn't do anything as long as they scratched out a TD and a couple of FGs, because the defense would just shut the door all game.

 

 

Edit: by looking at 1 factor the 2005 defensive DVOA was -24.6 and 2018s was -25.6 so I guess in that respect they were both really dominant and really close, but 2018 was better.

[minnesotacubsfan]

2005, I think they were tops in the league that year

 

 

eta: they were

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/opp.htm

 

and actually, that means little because they were in 2018 as well (I thought they were only top 5 in 2018)

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/opp.htm

[Wilson A2000]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

 

The end game is correct but the reasoning is wrong.

 

The reasoning is that we know Nagy is the problem because Lazor was incredibly successful with the same players. Reasoning isn’t wrong.

[champaignchris]

The Lions are likely to be the worst defense the Bears play all year.

 

So good measuring stick, I guess.

[WrigleyField 22]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

 

The end game is correct but the reasoning is wrong.

 

The reasoning is that we know Nagy is the problem because Lazor was incredibly successful with the same players. Reasoning isn’t wrong.

I actually don't want to get too much into the debate of it. Because I think its very likely Lazor will be a better play caller than Nagy if given the chance.

 

But also if yesterday is any indication, that alone is very very far from sufficient.

[Wilson A2000]

 

The end game is correct but the reasoning is wrong.

 

The reasoning is that we know Nagy is the problem because Lazor was incredibly successful with the same players. Reasoning isn’t wrong.

I actually don't want to get too much into the debate of it. Because I think its very likely Lazor will be a better play caller than Nagy if given the chance.

 

But also if yesterday is any indication, that alone is very very far from sufficient.

 

A new GM and coach is needed. But Lazor is sufficient to keep Fields from getting killed and hurting his development.

[UMFan83]

The Lions are likely to be the worst defense the Bears play all year.

 

So good measuring stick, I guess.

 

I have a feeling Dalton will start. The news pregame was that Dalton is a fast healer and looking better.

[Soul]

I don't think this is going to be popular, but as long as Nagy is the head coach, I don't want to see Fields playing. With each and every snap he takes under Nagy, I feel like there is more and more damage being done to the possibility of Fields being the franchise.

 

I would have strongly disagreed with that take before yesterday, and I probably still disagree but I'm more open to this way of thinking.

 

That said, I am no football savant and have no idea if it would really do any damage. But he sure looked rattled out there late in the game which is not something I expected from Fields, even as a rookie QB making his first start.

 

Yeah, yesterday was pretty bad. It's hard to even say that Fields would have been better yesterday had he had time with the 1s before last week or if he got a legit chance to compete for the job in camp. But it couldn't have been any worse.

 

Mark me down in the (apparently) unpopular camp of wanting Dalton/Foles until Nagy is gone. Nagy will ruin Fields, I have no doubts about it.

[WrigleyField 22]

I guess to be totally clear, what I mean is yesterday isn't just an issue of in game play calling. There is a systematic game prep issue for a game like yesterday to unfold. Now perhaps giving up in game play calling is part of the necessary response, but if only that changes, it's just not enough, if all else were still the same.

 

Anyways there's no reason to not play Fields, even if that means Nagy has to be fired immediately. It's totally unacceptable to say your potential franchise QB has to be protected form your head coach.

 

Now I'll be somewhat bullish and say Nagy should get a chance to be part of the solution. Because it's not rocket science. But I hope they keep with Fields. And if last week is repeated in any way Nagy should be gone ASAP.

 

Eta - saying Nagy should be part of the response is very polite way of putting it btw. I'm still wholly ready to fire him at the latest this offseason, but I'm somewhat understanding of it not being a week 4 in the season response.

[d_money]

 

I would have strongly disagreed with that take before yesterday, and I probably still disagree but I'm more open to this way of thinking.

 

That said, I am no football savant and have no idea if it would really do any damage. But he sure looked rattled out there late in the game which is not something I expected from Fields, even as a rookie QB making his first start.

 

Yeah, yesterday was pretty bad. It's hard to even say that Fields would have been better yesterday had he had time with the 1s before last week or if he got a legit chance to compete for the job in camp. But it couldn't have been any worse.

 

Mark me down in the (apparently) unpopular camp of wanting Dalton/Foles until Nagy is gone. Nagy will ruin Fields, I have no doubts about it.

Totally agree. It’s way too complicated to learn the offense coupled with a bad OL - and he’s gonna get killed.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Yeah, yesterday was pretty bad. It's hard to even say that Fields would have been better yesterday had he had time with the 1s before last week or if he got a legit chance to compete for the job in camp. But it couldn't have been any worse.

 

Mark me down in the (apparently) unpopular camp of wanting Dalton/Foles until Nagy is gone. Nagy will ruin Fields, I have no doubts about it.

Totally agree. It’s way too complicated to learn the offense coupled with a bad OL - and he’s gonna get killed.

I think both of those points are a bunch of loaded BS. Seriously take a step back and look at the line running the same offense last year that wasn't very good and managed a 5.5 sack rate, middle of road. There are actually some solutions for the line issues from yesterday. Why the hell some of those solutions weren't employed, or barely at all, I don't know, but I think people are letting a horrific edge of the bell curve day from the line do a little bit too much heavy lifting for a line that played about as expected the first two games. Obviously the line personnel is a bit different than last years personnel, but not by that much.

[We Got The Whole 9]

How long will he be able to hide behind the guise of a complicated offense. Like the rest of the league is running the T Formation or something. Such a damn joke.

[minnesotacubsfan]

How long will he be able to hide behind the guise of a complicated offense. Like the rest of the league is running the T Formation or something. Such a damn joke.

 

 

Nagy' offense is so complicated that it has completely fooled the biggest birdbrained athlete out there; Nagy himself

[mias_tisg]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

Had more to do with the teams they were playing. I'm guessing the Bears look like a competent offense on Sunday too.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Under Lazor, the Bears had four 30+ point games in a row, a Bears record. Give Lazor the play calling.

Had more to do with the teams they were playing. I'm guessing the Bears look like a competent offense on Sunday too.

Nagy has gone like 40-50 games without his offense putting up 30 points. I'm sure they faced plenty of crappy teams. He just can't run a high-function offense and it should be apparent to everybody.

[WrigleyField 22]

How long will he be able to hide behind the guise of a complicated offense. Like the rest of the league is running the T Formation or something. Such a damn joke.

This whole the narrative around the Reid tree offenses and their complexity has always been so annoying. It seems largely based on quotes from people in the system and despite numerous examples of QBs successfully running it within their first year or two, it continues to fester. Jeez I wonder if there's any conflict for the coach running the system to set an expectation that things take 4 years to master...