Black Monday 2021

[WrigleyField 22]

Doug Pederson is out in Philly. Would be great if he goes to KC as OC.

Bienemy isn't going anywhere. Apparently bad in interviews and some off field concerns. Only teams that likely would want him are Atlanta and maybe LAChargers.

 

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I hadn't heard about off field concerns before. One article I found mentions a few things from his college years and a DUI from like 2001. Is there more than that?

[raw]

Doug Pederson is out in Philly. Would be great if he goes to KC as OC.

Bienemy isn't going anywhere. Apparently bad in interviews and some off field concerns. Only teams that likely would want him are Atlanta and maybe LAChargers.

 

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I hadn't heard about off field concerns before. One article I found mentions a few things from his college years and a DUI from like 2001. Is there more than that?

 

Yeah, it's mostly nonsense teams can use as an excuse not to hire a black coach. DUI, fight in college after being called a racial slur, multiple rapes when he was on the Colorado staff, some assault stuff that got him banned from campus. But nothing since he's been an NFL coach.

[CoolHandLuke]

Doesn't "bad in interviews" probably mean "black in interviews"?

[WrigleyField 22]

Doesn't "bad in interviews" probably mean "black in interviews"?

50/50

[ConstableRabbit]

Bienemy isn't going anywhere. Apparently bad in interviews and some off field concerns. Only teams that likely would want him are Atlanta and maybe LAChargers.

 

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I hadn't heard about off field concerns before. One article I found mentions a few things from his college years and a DUI from like 2001. Is there more than that?

 

Yeah, it's mostly nonsense teams can use as an excuse not to hire a black coach. DUI, fight in college after being called a racial slur, multiple rapes when he was on the Colorado staff, some assault stuff that got him banned from campus. But nothing since he's been an NFL coach.

“The arrest report outlined the incident: Bieniemy was with five friends in a parking lot when he allegedly approached a lot attendant from behind and grabbed her by the neck. The victim told police the contact was not painful, but it startled her. She said the man also made comments while holding her.

 

"She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about 'a bunch of black males all at once being her worst nightmare,' " according to the report.

 

The victim told police the group of men then dropped their pants and began urinating nearby.”

 

I don’t see why these things would be disqualifying for head coach but not assistant but that’s pretty gross.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I hadn't heard about off field concerns before. One article I found mentions a few things from his college years and a DUI from like 2001. Is there more than that?

 

Yeah, it's mostly nonsense teams can use as an excuse not to hire a black coach. DUI, fight in college after being called a racial slur, multiple rapes when he was on the Colorado staff, some assault stuff that got him banned from campus. But nothing since he's been an NFL coach.

“The arrest report outlined the incident: Bieniemy was with five friends in a parking lot when he allegedly approached a lot attendant from behind and grabbed her by the neck. The victim told police the contact was not painful, but it startled her. She said the man also made comments while holding her.

 

"She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about 'a bunch of black males all at once being her worst nightmare,' " according to the report.

 

The victim told police the group of men then dropped their pants and began urinating nearby.”

 

I don’t see why these things would be disqualifying for head coach but not assistant but that’s pretty gross.

 

yea, thats pretty f-ed up

[raw]

I hadn't heard about off field concerns before. One article I found mentions a few things from his college years and a DUI from like 2001. Is there more than that?

 

Yeah, it's mostly nonsense teams can use as an excuse not to hire a black coach. DUI, fight in college after being called a racial slur, multiple rapes when he was on the Colorado staff, some assault stuff that got him banned from campus. But nothing since he's been an NFL coach.

“The arrest report outlined the incident: Bieniemy was with five friends in a parking lot when he allegedly approached a lot attendant from behind and grabbed her by the neck. The victim told police the contact was not painful, but it startled her. She said the man also made comments while holding her.

 

"She stated that the male who grabbed her said something about 'a bunch of black males all at once being her worst nightmare,' " according to the report.

 

The victim told police the group of men then dropped their pants and began urinating nearby.”

 

I don’t see why these things would be disqualifying for head coach but not assistant but that’s pretty gross.

 

Yeah, I didnt know those details. That's bad.

[Andy]

 

I don't really understand why Urban Meyer is doing this, and I really don't understand why Jacksonville is doing this.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I don't really understand why Urban Meyer is doing this, and I really don't understand why Jacksonville is doing this.

I get why Meyer would.

 

Is it fair to assume this is a Carroll type role where Urban is getting full roster control?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I don't really understand why Urban Meyer is doing this, and I really don't understand why Jacksonville is doing this.

I get why Meyer would.

 

Is it fair to assume this is a Carroll type role where Urban is getting full roster control?

I would be shocked if Urban took a job that didn't offer full control.

 

Although Khan was the guy who said he would maintain final say on rosters. Could have been carrot to offer the best of the best candidates to admit he's acquiesce.

[Derwood]

Might be as simple as liking Urban's offense paired with Trevor Lawrence?

[raw]

Lions hired a GM. It's Rams scouting director Brad Holmes. His hire doubles the number of black GMs in the NFL, and also makes the Rams the first team to get 2 3rd round comp picks under the new diversity initiatives.

[OleMissCub]

He’ll have heart problems by Week 5

[champaignchris]

College HC and pro HC seem like they require different skill sets.

 

It seems like the guys who’ve washed out transitioning from one to the other far outweigh the success stories, but maybe not. Maybe it’s just that all coaches wash out at a really high rate.

 

The NFL HCs who went directly from college to the NFL and who have over 100 career victories:

 

Tom Coughlin

Pete Carroll

Dennis Green

Sid Gillman

Don Coryell

 

George Allen was a college HC before he became a pro HC, but spent 8 years in between as asst and DC with the Bears under Halas. Halas letting him get away to the Rams and then promoting Jim Dooley instead when Halas retired is one of the big turning points in Bears history.

[raw]

I think Robert Saleh was the "star" coaching hire in this cycle. Him coming with Mike LeFleur makes this a slam dunk hire for the Jets. Word is they are sticking with Sam Darnold for 2021, and may be looking to trade down from 2.

 

Sounds like Titans OC, Arthur Smith to Atlanta, who is also going to hire Terry Fontenot from the Saints as their GM. Saints and Niners also will get the two 3rd round comp picks for grooming minority hires.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lions hired a GM. It's Rams scouting director Brad Holmes. His hire doubles the number of black GMs in the NFL, and also makes the Rams the first team to get 2 3rd round comp picks under the new diversity initiatives.

And now are rumored to be hiring Saints TE coach Dan Campbell as head coach.

[pitchcs]

I think Robert Saleh was the "star" coaching hire in this cycle. Him coming with Mike LeFleur makes this a slam dunk hire for the Jets. Word is they are sticking with Sam Darnold for 2021, and may be looking to trade down from 2.

 

Sounds like Titans OC, Arthur Smith to Atlanta, who is also going to hire Terry Fontenot from the Saints as their GM. Saints and Niners also will get the two 3rd round comp picks for grooming minority hires.

 

I don't think I'd feel good about that hire as a Jets fan. Great defensive coach, but we've seen this before. Does he have any in game coaching skills? He's a motivator but how long does that last? Especially in NYC. His OC is going to be very important for his success. And not horsefeathering up the draft.

 

He just feels like one of those guys that's way better as a DC, kind of like a Fangio. So many DC's turn out to be awful HC's. I think OC's are generally brighter when it comes to in-game decision making and I'd wager they've had more success overall. That rah-rah horsefeathers works on defense but doesn't translate to high IQ game management.

[Andy]

Poor Lions fans.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Robert Saleh was the "star" coaching hire in this cycle. Him coming with Mike LeFleur makes this a slam dunk hire for the Jets. Word is they are sticking with Sam Darnold for 2021, and may be looking to trade down from 2.

 

Sounds like Titans OC, Arthur Smith to Atlanta, who is also going to hire Terry Fontenot from the Saints as their GM. Saints and Niners also will get the two 3rd round comp picks for grooming minority hires.

 

I don't think I'd feel good about that hire as a Jets fan. Great defensive coach, but we've seen this before. Does he have any in game coaching skills? He's a motivator but how long does that last? Especially in NYC. His OC is going to be very important for his success. And not horsefeathering up the draft.

 

He just feels like one of those guys that's way better as a DC, kind of like a Fangio. So many DC's turn out to be awful HC's. I think OC's are generally brighter when it comes to in-game decision making and I'd wager they've had more success overall. That rah-rah horsefeathers works on defense but doesn't translate to high IQ game management.

I know that historically everybody has thought defensive coaches make better HC than offensive guys at the NFL level. We know Belichik is a defense guy, Tomlin as well. Harbaugh was a special teams guy and dabbled in some DB coaching as well prior to his gig in Baltimore. Pete Carroll was a defense guy too. Obviously some recent winners like Reid, Pederson, Kubiak and Coughlin were from the other side of the ball, and my preference is for an offensively minded HC, but there's probably not a lot there in terms of OC actually being better.

[raw]

I think Robert Saleh was the "star" coaching hire in this cycle. Him coming with Mike LeFleur makes this a slam dunk hire for the Jets. Word is they are sticking with Sam Darnold for 2021, and may be looking to trade down from 2.

 

Sounds like Titans OC, Arthur Smith to Atlanta, who is also going to hire Terry Fontenot from the Saints as their GM. Saints and Niners also will get the two 3rd round comp picks for grooming minority hires.

 

I don't think I'd feel good about that hire as a Jets fan. Great defensive coach, but we've seen this before. Does he have any in game coaching skills? He's a motivator but how long does that last? Especially in NYC. His OC is going to be very important for his success. And not horsefeathering up the draft.

 

He just feels like one of those guys that's way better as a DC, kind of like a Fangio. So many DC's turn out to be awful HC's. I think OC's are generally brighter when it comes to in-game decision making and I'd wager they've had more success overall. That rah-rah horsefeathers works on defense but doesn't translate to high IQ game management.

I know that historically everybody has thought defensive coaches make better HC than offensive guys at the NFL level. We know Belichik is a defense guy, Tomlin as well. Harbaugh was a special teams guy and dabbled in some DB coaching as well prior to his gig in Baltimore. Pete Carroll was a defense guy too. Obviously some recent winners like Reid, Pederson, Kubiak and Coughlin were from the other side of the ball, and my preference is for an offensively minded HC, but there's probably not a lot there in terms of OC actually being better.

 

Yeah, the whole offensive vs. defensive head coach is overrated. And there's plenty of OCs that make terrible head coaches. Doug Marrone, Anthony Lynn, Adam Gase, and Bill O'Brien were all failed offensive coaches that were fired just this year. Matt Nagy could have easily been fired. There's a lot more Anthony Lynns than there are Kyle Shanahans. Granted, there are also a lot more Matt Patricias than Mike Tomlins. But there is definitely no evidence to hire an OC over a DC.

[jersey cubs fan]

But there is definitely no evidence to hire an OC over a DC.

And on that note, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the next Bears HC will be a defensive guy, especially if George and Ted are still involved. Trestman and Nagy will be the only two OCs to ever get a shot to run this team if Nagy fails to improve next year.

[CoolHandLuke]

I'm an idiot and this may be wrong, but does this make any sense?

 

A defensive head coach usually means a coordinator is the architect of the team's offense. And if that team is successful, it probably means they have a good qb and the offense is successful, because offense is just more important these days (I think). Which means that coordinator won't last before being hired to a head coaching job. Which means you need to bring in a new offensive coordinator with his own new offense.

 

The reverse isn't as damaging to consistency, because who cares about defense.

 

Basically, QB is by far the most important position, therefore offense is more important, therefore you want an offensive head coach?

 

Obviously being a good coach is more important, but you don't really know that ahead of time. Like I said, I'm dumb and maybe this is dumb - feel free to let me know.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm an idiot and this may be wrong, but does this make any sense?

 

A defensive head coach usually means a coordinator is the architect of the team's offense. And if that team is successful, it probably means they have a good qb and the offense is successful, because offense is just more important these days (I think). Which means that coordinator won't last before being hired to a head coaching job. Which means you need to bring in a new offensive coordinator with his own new offense.

 

The reverse isn't as damaging to consistency, because who cares about defense.

 

Basically, QB is by far the most important position, therefore offense is more important, therefore you want an offensive head coach?

 

Obviously being a good coach is more important, but you don't really know that ahead of time. Like I said, I'm dumb and maybe this is dumb - feel free to let me know.

Maybe more so; there really are two main defenses (3-4 and cover2) so defenses coordinators are maybe more expendable

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm an idiot and this may be wrong, but does this make any sense?

 

A defensive head coach usually means a coordinator is the architect of the team's offense. And if that team is successful, it probably means they have a good qb and the offense is successful, because offense is just more important these days (I think). Which means that coordinator won't last before being hired to a head coaching job. Which means you need to bring in a new offensive coordinator with his own new offense.

 

The reverse isn't as damaging to consistency, because who cares about defense.

 

Basically, QB is by far the most important position, therefore offense is more important, therefore you want an offensive head coach?

 

Obviously being a good coach is more important, but you don't really know that ahead of time. Like I said, I'm dumb and maybe this is dumb - feel free to let me know.

Maybe more so; there really are two main defenses (3-4 and cover2) so defenses coordinators are maybe more expendable

And at the same time there is basically a never ending supply of OC, QB coach, passing game coordinator, running backs coaches, wide receivers coaches and on and on that have all come from similar backgrounds, and if your guys go you either next man up or poach from another staff with similar backgrounds.

 

If you have a good head coach with a defensive mind who brings in an OC that sets up the entire offensive system and gets a quality QB, you should be good. And if that QB is actually quality, and if your head coach is actually good, you should not have a problem resupplying if/when that OC moves on to a HC job. Usually you get more than one year and can judge who on your own staff is worth the promotion. Even if the OC is one and done a good HC should have a number of names in mind to make a more or less seamless transition. And it doesn't have to even be an entirely new system.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea - give me a great coach on either side of the ball. A good coach will shuffle through coordinators as needed, either way.

 

But more than anything, give me a top 5 QB.