Potential Kris Bryant trade thread

[Cubswin11]

Not sure what article this is from but it’s interesting to see the perspective of other teams re: Bryant

 

 

Edit: found it, from a Kap article: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/why-cubs-and-theo-epstein-havent-done-anything-offseason?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

how has not locking up their young stars hurt the cubs? the cubs problems have nothing to do with that.

I thought that was bizarre criticism of things too. It makes sense though if you buy my theory that Kaplan made up the sources here and these are just his words. Since the White Sox have done the extensions with their young guys and since everything they do now is so great and smart and better than the Cubs it’s worth throwing that in to criticize the Cubs by that bald doofus to drive this stupid Cubs-WS discourse and comparisons that have been happening since last year.

[Bear Cub]

Kaplan has become a phony White Sox promoter.

[KingCubsFan]

Not sure what article this is from but it’s interesting to see the perspective of other teams re: Bryant

 

 

Edit: found it, from a Kap article: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/why-cubs-and-theo-epstein-havent-done-anything-offseason?amp&__twitter_impression=true

I wouldn’t be shocked if Kaplan’s “anonymous executive/former GM” “source” is just Kaplan making horsefeathers up but putting an “anonymous” source on it to sound more authoritative. The lines and quotes from his “source” are similar to his takes on KB being overrated and what not that he always has, also randomly has a Gleyber comment and some White Sox ball washing which are things he brings up a lot and knows ruffles feathers/drives debate.

Every time Kaplan writes an article citing a “former GM/executive”, there’s a 99% chance it’s Jim Hendry.

[Bertz]

Not sure what article this is from but it’s interesting to see the perspective of other teams re: Bryant

 

 

Edit: found it, from a Kap article: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/cubs/why-cubs-and-theo-epstein-havent-done-anything-offseason?amp&__twitter_impression=true

I wouldn’t be shocked if Kaplan’s “anonymous executive/former GM” “source” is just Kaplan making horsefeathers up but putting an “anonymous” source on it to sound more authoritative. The lines and quotes from his “source” are similar to his takes on KB being overrated and what not that he always has, also randomly has a Gleyber comment and some White Sox ball washing which are things he brings up a lot and knows ruffles feathers/drives debate.

Every time Kaplan writes an article citing a “former GM/executive”, there’s a 99% chance it’s Jim Hendry.

 

Yup, and the other 1% is split between Steve Phillips and Jim Bowden

[ConstableRabbit]

Kaplan has become a phony White Sox promoter.

Is this surprising? The Cubs won't be on his network and he's going to have to dedicate a disproportionate amount of time to covering the Sox.

[Cubswin11]

So I came up for season tickets this year and I got an email today with a link to a page with info about them. On that page they have a video and picture of Bryant. Rizzo is featured the most prominently but the only other two guys are KB and Javy. So maybe it means nothing but maybe it means something and they’re keeping him if he’s in the 2020 promo and marketing material stuff.

[minnesotacubsfan]

So I came up for season tickets this year and I got an email today with a link to a page with info about them. On that page they have a video and picture of Bryant. Rizzo is featured the most prominently but the only other two guys are KB and Javy. So maybe it means nothing but maybe it means something and they’re keeping him if he’s in the 2020 promo and marketing material stuff.

 

 

total rich old-white-man ploy: sell with the best stuff you have, then sell the best stuff you have.

[Sammy Sofa]

So I came up for season tickets this year and I got an email today with a link to a page with info about them. On that page they have a video and picture of Bryant. Rizzo is featured the most prominently but the only other two guys are KB and Javy. So maybe it means nothing but maybe it means something and they’re keeping him if he’s in the 2020 promo and marketing material stuff.

 

DON'T FALL FOR IT.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bryant 2015-2016: .384 wOBA

Bryant since 2016: .382 wOBA

 

Or alternatively

 

Bryant 2015-2017: .389

Bryant 2018-2019: .371

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[UMFan83]

Random question but if for some reason the arbitrator ruled in favor of KB in his grievance and he was given an extra year of service time, wouldn't that make him entitled to the correct arbitration raises as if he was being paid correctly the entire time? Like for instance, if his service time wasn't "manipulated", he would have had his 1st arbitration year in 2017 instead of 2018 (or 2016 instead of 2017, cant remember exactly how it works), but instead he was paid like a pre-arbitration player. So while he might be getting the benefit of going to FA a year early, he was still grossly underpaid for 1 season.

 

Also now that he settled for arbitration based on his 2nd arb year, then if he wins the grievance he should be paid as if it was his 3rd arbitration year. Most likely, the fact that he settled means that he knows he's going to lose the grievance right?

 

(I could be completely misunderstanding arbitration years fwiw, I am assuming that each arbitration year was a sliding scale that increases by year)

[ConstableRabbit]

Random question but if for some reason the arbitrator ruled in favor of KB in his grievance and he was given an extra year of service time, wouldn't that make him entitled to the correct arbitration raises as if he was being paid correctly the entire time? Like for instance, if his service time wasn't "manipulated", he would have had his 1st arbitration year in 2017 instead of 2018 (or 2016 instead of 2017, cant remember exactly how it works), but instead he was paid like a pre-arbitration player. So while he might be getting the benefit of going to FA a year early, he was still grossly underpaid for 1 season.

 

Also now that he settled for arbitration based on his 2nd arb year, then if he wins the grievance he should be paid as if it was his 3rd arbitration year. Most likely, the fact that he settled means that he knows he's going to lose the grievance right?

 

(I could be completely misunderstanding arbitration years fwiw, I am assuming that each arbitration year was a sliding scale that increases by year)

He didn't actually go through arbitration thought, right? He accepted a contract the Cubs offered each year.

[Bertz]

Random question but if for some reason the arbitrator ruled in favor of KB in his grievance and he was given an extra year of service time, wouldn't that make him entitled to the correct arbitration raises as if he was being paid correctly the entire time? Like for instance, if his service time wasn't "manipulated", he would have had his 1st arbitration year in 2017 instead of 2018 (or 2016 instead of 2017, cant remember exactly how it works), but instead he was paid like a pre-arbitration player. So while he might be getting the benefit of going to FA a year early, he was still grossly underpaid for 1 season.

 

Also now that he settled for arbitration based on his 2nd arb year, then if he wins the grievance he should be paid as if it was his 3rd arbitration year. Most likely, the fact that he settled means that he knows he's going to lose the grievance right?

 

(I could be completely misunderstanding arbitration years fwiw, I am assuming that each arbitration year was a sliding scale that increases by year)

 

KB was a Super 2, so he's going through his 3rd arb with a 4th on deck for next year. If his time weren't manipulated, he'd be going for a 3rd and final time. So he didn't lose a year of arb, but I do think the player comps used to determine his salary would have changed, likely for the more expensive. So in the event he were to win I imagine that there would be some sort of $ component in addition to the earlier FA.

[Cubswin11]

Bryant 2015-2016: .384 wOBA

Bryant since 2016: .382 wOBA

 

Or alternatively

 

Bryant 2015-2017: .389

Bryant 2018-2019: .371

His wOBA from 2018-19 is top 20 in MLB still

[UMFan83]

Random question but if for some reason the arbitrator ruled in favor of KB in his grievance and he was given an extra year of service time, wouldn't that make him entitled to the correct arbitration raises as if he was being paid correctly the entire time? Like for instance, if his service time wasn't "manipulated", he would have had his 1st arbitration year in 2017 instead of 2018 (or 2016 instead of 2017, cant remember exactly how it works), but instead he was paid like a pre-arbitration player. So while he might be getting the benefit of going to FA a year early, he was still grossly underpaid for 1 season.

 

Also now that he settled for arbitration based on his 2nd arb year, then if he wins the grievance he should be paid as if it was his 3rd arbitration year. Most likely, the fact that he settled means that he knows he's going to lose the grievance right?

 

(I could be completely misunderstanding arbitration years fwiw, I am assuming that each arbitration year was a sliding scale that increases by year)

 

KB was a Super 2, so he's going through his 3rd arb with a 4th on deck for next year. If his time weren't manipulated, he'd be going for a 3rd and final time. So he didn't lose a year of arb, but I do think the player comps used to determine his salary would have changed, likely for the more expensive. So in the event he were to win I imagine that there would be some sort of $ component in addition to the earlier FA.

 

Makes sense. I retain a passing knowledge of the arbitration process but fine with not going into too much of the details. Appreciate the explanation.

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

[minnesotacubsfan]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

warm, pleasant winters?

[Cubswin11]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

Ketel Marte but not like this, future trade or FA

 

In non-Bryant trade scenarios they have plenty to like, if only back of the roster or MiL depth...They're another team along with Philly that I keep thinking might be willing to trade a pitcher for Almora

That pitcher either wouldn’t have arms or would be unfathomably bad

Edited January 14, 2020 by Cubswin11

[Bertz]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

They have two fun young major league starters: Zac Gallen and Luke Weaver. They've also got a fantastic farm, but nothing super close to the majors, so one of those two would have to be the headliner I'd think.

[Cubswin11]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

They have two fun young major league starters: Zac Gallen and Luke Weaver. They've also got a fantastic farm, but nothing super close to the majors, so one of those two would have to be the headliner I'd think.

They have like 6 SS’s or CF’ers in their fangraphs org top 10. There’s gotta be a guy or two to like in there I’d imagine. Gallen, 2 of those guys and a little something else maybe? I’m not familiar with any of their prospect names other than Seth Beer.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Cubswin11

[minnesotacubsfan]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

They have two fun young major league starters: Zac Gallen and Luke Weaver. They've also got a fantastic farm, but nothing super close to the majors, so one of those two would have to be the headliner I'd think.

They have like 6 SS’s or CF’ers in their fangraphs org top 10. There’s gotta be a guy or two to like in their, I’d imagine.

 

If we're giving up Bryant I'd want them all to hedge against busts

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

warm, pleasant winters?

Ricketts already are funneling all the money they can to the GOP to accelerate climate change. Don't give up Bryant for something already in the bag.

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

Ketel Marte but not like this, future trade or FA

 

In non-Bryant trade scenarios they have plenty to like, if only back of the roster or MiL depth...They're another team along with Philly that I keep thinking might be willing to trade a pitcher for Almora

That pitcher either wouldn’t have arms or would be unfathomably bad

Idk, Philly has some guys that are interesting and likely won't make the rotation in Eickhoff and Pivetta (and potentially Velazquez) so I'd take a shot on any of them for Almora. And Philly doesn't seem totally comfortable giving Hasely the CF job outright.

[Bertz]

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This is a Phoenix radio guy, does AZ having anything we (or the Rockies) would want

 

They have two fun young major league starters: Zac Gallen and Luke Weaver. They've also got a fantastic farm, but nothing super close to the majors, so one of those two would have to be the headliner I'd think.

They have like 6 SS’s or CF’ers in their fangraphs org top 10. There’s gotta be a guy or two to like in there I’d imagine. Gallen, 2 of those guys and a little something else maybe? I’m not familiar with any of their prospect names other than Seth Beer.

 

I believe the way FGs future values work is that a 50 or better is a top 100 caliber prospect, a 45 is someone you should be happy having in your org top 10, and a 40 is someone you should be happy having in your org top 30.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-47-prospects-arizona-diamondbacks/

 

So using this list, I would think a KB deal would look like:

 

Weaver or Gallen

One of those 50 FV SS/CFs

One of those 45+ pitchers, probably Martin or Bukauskus as they're closer to the majors

 

It's more quantity than quality for my taste, but I'd guess that'd be the fair expectation.