Week 1/NFL Kickoff - Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears - Thursday 9/5 at 7:20 on NBC

[Chocolate Milk]

GB sat in dime defense all game and Nagy had Trubisky throw it non-stop. I think they had something like 30 consecutive throws to end the game. It was stupid.

[gflore34]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

[jersey cubs fan]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

No. Chase Daniel is hot garbage and there is no point in playing him. Make Mitch play all year, whether he sucks, struggles or improves.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Counterpoint to all the playcalling complaints:

 

Running the ball is dumb and pointless and you should only do it to run out the clock when you're winning. Passing is awesome and wins games, if you're good at it. And if you're not, you deserve to lose anyway so who cares.

 

It wasn't about just running it more. Many of the pass plays that were called were of basically the same concept. Look 10 yards down the field. If that pass isn't available, force it anyway or dump it. There was no attempt to spread the field in the entire first half. The safeties were leaning forward on every play call because every play that was called was in front of them. You brag about having all of this amazing speed (Cohen, Gabriel, Patterson) and you do absolutely nothing with it. Maybe the coach knows more about Trubisky than we do, and that spreading the field is just not an option with this QB. If that's the case, it's going to be a long season.

 

I'm not nearly enough of an expert to assign an exact percentage live, but I'm pretty sure that not going down the field wasn't playcalling but rather a combination of the offensive line not giving him any time and Trubisky panicking and checking down too early.

 

how good is GB's Dline anticipated to be? Was last night a harbinger of our Olines season ahead, or GB's Dline?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

It wasn't about just running it more. Many of the pass plays that were called were of basically the same concept. Look 10 yards down the field. If that pass isn't available, force it anyway or dump it. There was no attempt to spread the field in the entire first half. The safeties were leaning forward on every play call because every play that was called was in front of them. You brag about having all of this amazing speed (Cohen, Gabriel, Patterson) and you do absolutely nothing with it. Maybe the coach knows more about Trubisky than we do, and that spreading the field is just not an option with this QB. If that's the case, it's going to be a long season.

 

I'm not nearly enough of an expert to assign an exact percentage live, but I'm pretty sure that not going down the field wasn't playcalling but rather a combination of the offensive line not giving him any time and Trubisky panicking and checking down too early.

 

how good is GB's Dline anticipated to be? Was last night a harbinger of our Olines season ahead, or GB's Dline?

They definitely sunk a lot of resources into improving it. This is an improved Packers D, and assuming Rodgers was also just dealing from the rust of no preseason as well, this Packers team will compete for the division crown again.

[WrigleyField 22]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

No. Chase Daniel is hot garbage and there is no point in playing him. Make Mitch play all year, whether he sucks, struggles or improves.

Yep.

 

Next year though, would be great to bring in a young QB behind Mitch. Don't need to spend 5M again on a coach in pads. Let's get a possible contingency plan to making an average QB one of the highest paid players in the game in 2 years. Replacing Mitch with cheap, but adequate QB play is probably the only way to extend the window if Mitch isn't making that leap.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

No. Chase Daniel is hot garbage and there is no point in playing him. Make Mitch play all year, whether he sucks, struggles or improves.

Yep.

 

Next year though, would be great to bring in a young QB behind Mitch. Don't need to spend 5M again on a coach in pads. Let's get a possible contingency plan to making an average QB one of the highest paid players in the game in 2 years. Replacing Mitch with cheap, but adequate QB play is probably the only way to extend the window if Mitch isn't making that leap.

It sucks with such a lack of draft picks but it's almost a requirement to draft a QB in each of the next two drafts*

 

 

*assuming no dramatic turnaround from trubisky

[WrigleyField 22]

No. Chase Daniel is hot garbage and there is no point in playing him. Make Mitch play all year, whether he sucks, struggles or improves.

Yep.

 

Next year though, would be great to bring in a young QB behind Mitch. Don't need to spend 5M again on a coach in pads. Let's get a possible contingency plan to making an average QB one of the highest paid players in the game in 2 years. Replacing Mitch with cheap, but adequate QB play is probably the only way to extend the window if Mitch isn't making that leap.

It sucks with such a lack of draft picks but it's almost a requirement to draft a QB in each of the next two drafts*

 

 

*assuming no dramatic turnaround from trubisky

Yup.

[gflore34]

 

I'm not nearly enough of an expert to assign an exact percentage live, but I'm pretty sure that not going down the field wasn't playcalling but rather a combination of the offensive line not giving him any time and Trubisky panicking and checking down too early.

 

how good is GB's Dline anticipated to be? Was last night a harbinger of our Olines season ahead, or GB's Dline?

They definitely sunk a lot of resources into improving it. This is an improved Packers D, and assuming Rodgers was also just dealing from the rust of no preseason as well, this Packers team will compete for the division crown again.

 

It's improved however, there were plenty of openings to be exploited, average to good QB play would have put way more than 3 points on the scoreboard.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

how good is GB's Dline anticipated to be? Was last night a harbinger of our Olines season ahead, or GB's Dline?

They definitely sunk a lot of resources into improving it. This is an improved Packers D, and assuming Rodgers was also just dealing from the rust of no preseason as well, this Packers team will compete for the division crown again.

 

It's improved however, there were plenty of openings to exploited, average to good QB play would have put way more than 3 points on the scoreboard.

10 points, maybe, with that play calling.

[minnesotacubsfan]

well hopefully, that was our worst play-calling game of the season and its only up from here. But I don't think our schedule gets any easier with the Saints, Chargers and Vikings coming up.

[Chocolate Milk]

On the brightside, the D looked amazing.

[Chocolate Milk]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

[minnesotacubsfan]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

 

I missed that. Who is deciding what this number will be, and how are they making that determination?

[WrigleyField 22]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

Was just watching the presser. He clearly states there's of course variability, and brought up the game winning kick scenario as an obvious one where you bend the rule or whatever.

 

I don't know if it was perfect conditions. There was definitely some wind and according to Nagy, had it been in the other direction, 51 was in play, so they were going in the bad direction I guess.

 

However, if 49-50 was your limit they did a poor job of maybe setting up something more manageable (or conversely opening up your 3rd and 4th down playbooks instead of 4th and 10). I think there was a penalty too that pushed them back.

Edited September 6, 2019 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

 

I missed that. Who is deciding what this number will be, and how are they making that determination?

Tabor. Based on pregame prep/kicks.

[minnesotacubsfan]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

 

I missed that. Who is deciding what this number will be, and how are they making that determination?

Tabor. Based on pregame prep/kicks.

 

I can see the value in that communication, ie the stc telling the hc what your kicker is good for based on wind, field conditions, rain, etc on a game-to-game basis especially at Soldier Field. It doesn't seem that weird to me, it seems prudent. Its probably done often throughout the league but it's being highlighted by the press because of the field goal issues the bears had last year.

Edited September 6, 2019 by minnesotacubsfan

[minnesotacubsfan]

This whole thing where the ST coach tells Nagy a number for Pinero and he won't attempt kicks beyond that distance strikes me as incredibly bizarre. So if it was a 51 yard FG to win the game, they punt or go for it? What's the point on having this guy on the roster if you can't trust him to make a 51 yard kick in perfect conditions?

Was just watching the presser. He clearly states there's of course variability, and brought up the game winning kick scenario as an obvious one where you bend the rule or whatever.

 

I don't know if it was perfect conditions. There was definitely some wind and according to Nagy, had it been in the other direction, 51 was in play, so they were going in the bad direction I guess.

 

However, if 49-50 was your limit they did a poor job of maybe setting up something more manageable (or conversely opening up your 3rd and 4th down playbooks instead of 4th and 10). I think there was a penalty too that pushed them back.

 

 

yup

[Chocolate Milk]

I guess I had never heard that process articulated before. His comments from last night just kinda struck me as odd, like his hands were tied.

[WrigleyField 22]

I guess I had never heard that process articulated before. His comments from last night just kinda struck me as odd, like his hands were tied.

I don't think the though process is odd, he's just a much more open book than Lovie or Fox were. And Trestmam would have probably gotten very philosophical about it. So it's been a while since we had this mix of openness and straightforwardness than were used to as Bears fans.

 

His hands were tied only so much in he obviously wants to respect the autonomy of his coaches even though it's clearly his call to override what they say, if he wants.

[Derwood]

What's extra fun is that since this was a Thursday game, we get a few extra days of bitching and moaning before we see more game action

[WrigleyField 22]

What's extra fun is that since this was a Thursday game, we get a few extra days of bitching and moaning before we see more game action

I don't think theres any extra moaning. Just an unproductive Friday instead of unproductive Monday.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

 

I think you have to go down with the ship at this point. And he's still way better than Chase Daniel.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Trubisky continues to play poorly in Denver is it time to bench him?

 

I think you have to go down with the ship at this point. And he's still way better than Chase Daniel.

[badger]

Maybe this was covered, but can someone tell me why we didn't have our 3rd year QB take ANY preseason snaps?