Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

[WrigleyField 22]

All of this has to be more the Bears uncomfortable with Meredith’s injury but ok with Whites recovery. I hope they know what we don’t know

I dont think (maybe false hope) this has anything to do with White. He's like an old pool table in the basement you just haven't gotten rid of because it's more a pain to move it up the stairs than the extra space is worth. That should be the attitude anyways.

 

If they draft Nelson at 8, its exactly what I stated.

[davell]

I'm with Raw. I love this draft. Not sure we'd have Daniels, if we had gotten Ridley, so I think I'm happy things went this way.

 

As for value, we added pick 51. That's worth a future 2nd and an early 4th, in my mind. If we're drafting inside the top 10, then we fucked up.

 

But damn, I'm actually excited about this team next year.

[David]

 

next year's 2nd and a 4th this year

 

Eh not too bad

 

a #2 and a #4 for a #2 Pace is a horsefeathering ametuer

 

fwiw, smarter front offices are placing less value in later round picks relative to early ones than it ever used to be, largely because of the rookie wage scale. and those roster spots from the later round picks can be filled with cheap free agents and such (or veterans you trade those picks for)

 

the jimmy johnson chart is completely out the window in 2018.

[Old Style]

 

Eh not too bad

 

a #2 and a #4 for a #2 Pace is a horsefeathering ametuer

 

Next years #2 obviously has less value than a 2 pick next year. A number 4 this year is tough to give up but the Bears dont even have a 3rd rounder this year so instead of a 1,2 and 4, they have a 1,2 and 2. I don’t know I’m not an expert in these things but it doesn’t seem terrible to me

Your first sentence doesn’t make any sense and the Bears have two 4th round picks this year so after trading one we still have the other.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I dont think (maybe false hope) this has anything to do with White. He's like an old pool table in the basement you just haven't gotten rid of because it's more a pain to move it up the stairs than the extra space is worth. That should be the attitude anyways.

 

If they draft Nelson at 8, its exactly what I stated.

 

yea. they hated the possibility of Meredith's recovery and felt White gave them a better chance. If they kept Meredith, it would have been Meredith vs White in camp. #8 probably wouldn't have been a reach for Ridley or trade down for Ridley/Sutton or later draft WR. Including 2nd round.

 

what dont you get

Edited April 28, 2018 by minnesotacubsfan

[David]

I'm with Raw. I love this draft. Not sure we'd have Daniels, if we had gotten Ridley, so I think I'm happy things went this way.

 

As for value, we added pick 51. That's worth a future 2nd and an early 4th, in my mind. If we're drafting inside the top 10, then we horsefeathers up.

 

But damn, I'm actually excited about this team next year.

 

i'm excited enough that i want to go to training camp and deal with the traffic nightmare for the first time since like 2012, despite the fact that i can never see anything

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Eh not too bad

 

a #2 and a #4 for a #2 Pace is a horsefeathering ametuer

 

fwiw, smarter front offices are placing less value in later round picks relative to early ones than it ever used to be, largely because of the rookie wage scale. and those roster spots from the later round picks can be filled with cheap free agents and such (or veterans you trade those picks for)

 

the jimmy johnson chart is completely out the window in 2018.

 

yea. but we lose an early draft pick in this

[WrigleyField 22]

 

If they draft Nelson at 8, its exactly what I stated.

 

yea. they hated the possibility of Meredith's recovery and felt White gave them a better chance. If they kept Meredith, it would have been Meredith vs White in camp. #8 probably would have been a reach for Ridley or trade down for Ridley/Sutton or later draft WR.

 

what dont you get

1. Why you think White has anything to do with anything

2. Why you came in all hot like you called your shot when WR as a top 3 need for this team was the popular opinion of every Bears fan in existence.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

yea. they hated the possibility of Meredith's recovery and felt White gave them a better chance. If they kept Meredith, it would have been Meredith vs White in camp. #8 probably would have been a reach for Ridley or trade down for Ridley/Sutton or later draft WR.

 

what dont you get

1. Why you think White has anything to do with anything

2. Why you came in all hot like you called your shot when WR as a top 3 need for this team was the popular opinion of every Bears fan in existence.

 

1. I dont. I think it had to do with Meredith

2. Because its Friday after a tough week and screw it I want to joke around

[minnesotacubsfan]

I mean, if you are banking on White, your cupboard is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE

[David]

 

a #2 and a #4 for a #2 Pace is a horsefeathering ametuer

 

fwiw, smarter front offices are placing less value in later round picks relative to early ones than it ever used to be, largely because of the rookie wage scale. and those roster spots from the later round picks can be filled with cheap free agents and such (or veterans you trade those picks for)

 

the jimmy johnson chart is completely out the window in 2018.

 

yea. but we lose an early draft pick in this

 

we basically gave up a 4 to get a guy we must have really liked right now who we knew was available instead of rolling the dice on running into that situation next year (and now is always better than later)

 

do i LOVE the value? no, but whatever, it's fine. 4ths are almost always nothings and you can get lucky on cheap FAs and UDFAs too.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

fwiw, smarter front offices are placing less value in later round picks relative to early ones than it ever used to be, largely because of the rookie wage scale. and those roster spots from the later round picks can be filled with cheap free agents and such (or veterans you trade those picks for)

 

the jimmy johnson chart is completely out the window in 2018.

 

yea. but we lose an early draft pick in this

 

we basically gave up a 4 to get a guy we must have really liked right now who we knew was available instead of rolling the dice on running into that situation next year (and now is always better than later)

 

we had 2 #4's. and this guy better be UNBELIEVABLE to the point it puts the pick way past #50. or the collection of them. Pace is rolling the dice right now

[minnesotacubsfan]

look, dont get me wrong. This Memphis kid looks the part. whats his speed? he looks fast as hell. his tape looks awesome, but EVERY early draft guy has stellar film.

 

I'm glad they took a wr on day 2. there. I said it. and with some perspective, if we are bottom 1/2 2nd round we are bottom 1/2 1st round too, meaning trading down next year is entirely still in play. but still....pessimism nags me

[David]

 

yea. but we lose an early draft pick in this

 

we basically gave up a 4 to get a guy we must have really liked right now who we knew was available instead of rolling the dice on running into that situation next year (and now is always better than later)

 

we had 2 #4's. and this guy better be UNBELIEVABLE to the point it puts the pick way past #50. or the collection of them. Pace is rolling the dice right now

 

what does the fact that we had 2 #4's have to do with anything?

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

we basically gave up a 4 to get a guy we must have really liked right now who we knew was available instead of rolling the dice on running into that situation next year (and now is always better than later)

 

we had 2 #4's. and this guy better be UNBELIEVABLE to the point it puts the pick way past #50. or the collection of them. Pace is rolling the dice right now

 

what does the fact that we had 2 #4's have to do with anything?

 

basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now.

[David]

 

we had 2 #4's. and this guy better be UNBELIEVABLE to the point it puts the pick way past #50. or the collection of them. Pace is rolling the dice right now

 

what does the fact that we had 2 #4's have to do with anything?

 

basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now.

 

i have no idea what you're saying

 

at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year.

 

and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

what does the fact that we had 2 #4's have to do with anything?

 

basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now.

 

i have no idea what you're saying

 

at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year.

 

and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year

 

they gave up a (more likely) primo 2nd and 4th for a (more likely) lesser 2nd. Got it. my point stands.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

what does the fact that we had 2 #4's have to do with anything?

 

basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now.

 

i have no idea what you're saying

 

at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year.

 

and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year

Well yea, basically fans tend to love picks, I think. But when you trade up you aren't trading for a pick, but a player. GMs tend to love players (but will take picks when they don't love a player)

[WrigleyField 22]

 

basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now.

 

i have no idea what you're saying

 

at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year.

 

and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year

 

they gave up a (more likely) primo 2nd and 4th for a (more likely) lesser 2nd. Got it. my point stands.

David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

i have no idea what you're saying

 

at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year.

 

and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year

 

they gave up a (more likely) primo 2nd and 4th for a (more likely) lesser 2nd. Got it. my point stands.

David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th.

 

I forgot. will you forgive me?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

they gave up a (more likely) primo 2nd and 4th for a (more likely) lesser 2nd. Got it. my point stands.

David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th.

 

I forgot. will you forgive me?

What are you asking forgiveness for?

[Butterscup]

i have a real hard time getting upset in the moment giving up future mid-late round draft picks if they identify someone in the current draft that they really want. in fact, i really like making moves back into the earlier rounds when there's still a ton of talent out there. i love this draft so far.

[minnesotacubsfan]

David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th.

 

I forgot. will you forgive me?

What are you asking forgiveness for?

 

atonement of my sins. wait. I dont want that. I like being evil.

 

horsefeathers forgiveness

[David]

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[jersey cubs fan]

i have a real hard time getting upset in the moment giving up future mid-late round draft picks if they identify someone in the current draft that they really want. in fact, i really like making moves back into the earlier rounds when there's still a ton of talent out there. i love this draft so far.

A 2nd is hardly mid-late