Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

[minnesotacubsfan]

Lots to question in this list: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/01/03/the-top-10-nfl-head-coaching-candidates-ranked/109118890/

[jersey cubs fan]

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[UK]

I would be extremely disappointed if it's McDaniels.

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I would be extremely disappointed if it's McDaniels.

 

He has an excel document with over 100 lessons learned from his Denver stint though. Mostly regarding how to not be a douche and that he can't be a Belichick clone.

[WrigleyField 22]

horsefeathers. That.

Not to be cynical or downplay Wilkes credentials, but I can't think of a widely talked about offensive coach who would have met the Rooney rule requirements (other than Shaw maybe, who isn't realistic IMO). So we were almost surely going to get a defensive coach interview with Wilkes or Austin or someone else if for no other reason than being the top minority candidates. Even the official recommended list was short on offensive minds among minority candidates.

 

that was my first thought too but i felt like a jerk for thinking it

Yea I know what you mean... On the plus side I've seen pretty much no Rooney rule speculation in the written media, so that's a positive in that journalists finally stopped noting that every minority candidate maybe is just a token interview (yes, the way I did). I feel like in the past, a minority candidate couldn't be mentioned without throwing in that nugget.

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[UMFan83]

Kap talked to "2 Super Bowl GMs" about the Bears coaching search and got some negative responses

 

 

I think he's still going but im tired of copy+paste

[jersey cubs fan]

Dan Pompei doesn't thing Fox should have been fired

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Here's the current/active coaches with 9 wins/season and at least 50 wins, to give a sense of sustainable success:

 

Defense: Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Rivera, Mike Smith

Offense: Reid, McCarthy, Payton

ST: John Harbaugh

 

Just missed: Pagano (D), Zimmer, (D), Arians (O), Garrett (O), Caldwell (O), Jim Harbaugh (O)

[minnesotacubsfan]

According to Windy City Gridiron, the Bears interview Vic for the HC. Speculation includes the player love for him and just general respect for how hard hes worked the Defense into shape. You have to wonder if this is the Buddy Ryan affect on the McCaskeys/Virginia

[David]

According to Windy City Gridiron, the Bears interview Vic for the HC. Speculation includes the player love for him and just general respect for how hard hes worked the Defense into shape. You have to wonder if this is the Buddy Ryan affect on the McCaskeys/Virginia

It's just a professional courtesy

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Here's the current/active coaches with 9 wins/season and at least 50 wins, to give a sense of sustainable success:

 

Defense: Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Rivera, Mike Smith

Offense: Reid, McCarthy, Payton

ST: John Harbaugh

 

Just missed: Pagano (D), Zimmer, (D), Arians (O), Garrett (O), Caldwell (O), Jim Harbaugh (O)

 

Your list presented in anotherway:

 

Defense: Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Newton, Ryan

Offense: McNabb, Rodgers, Brees

ST: Flacco

Just Missed: Luck, Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum, Warner/Palmer, Romo/Prescott, Stafford, Smith/Kaepernick

 

So it's a QB list as much as a coaching list. I am asking myself now, who are the top QB's that aren't on this list? The 50 win threshold & active status eliminates quite a few:

E. Manning, Rivers, Carr, Cousins

 

I'm sure the credit goes to coaches and QBs both and in some cases other ways to build a team (elite running/defense teams), but we all know its a QB league. Nothing shocking there, but I think it's clear that Mitch needs someone doing a great job developing him, even if it's not necessarily the HC.

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i've read/heard some horrendous things on mcdaniels the last few days. players almost universally saying they hated him and playing for him (while still praising his x's and o's acumen).

 

 

I feel like you could get a glimmer a god complex when he got to Denver and wanted to trade Cutler immediately. And lets not forget, he’s working with Tom Brady for crying out loud. How long before he bails in Mitch and wants to dump him for some NE cast off? How much of his success is actually due to his play calling?

 

Speaking of Brady, did any explanation ever come out about Brady screaming horsefeathers you at McDaniels a few weeks back? If you didn't see the video

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/03/tom-brady-josh-mcdaniels-yelling-video-patriots-bills

 

I don't think it means anything about McDaniels, but anytime Brady does something like this I always imagine what the media would do if Cutler did the same thing. I always wanted Cutler to fulfill his potential with the Bears so much that I was somewhat of an apologist for him, mainly because of the ridiculous facial expression storyline. Then psycho Brady does something like this, or screams at his O-line and it's "leadership." I guess it's all about how much you win.

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Here's the current/active coaches with 9 wins/season and at least 50 wins, to give a sense of sustainable success:

 

Defense: Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Rivera, Mike Smith

Offense: Reid, McCarthy, Payton

ST: John Harbaugh

 

Just missed: Pagano (D), Zimmer, (D), Arians (O), Garrett (O), Caldwell (O), Jim Harbaugh (O)

 

Your list presented in anotherway:

 

Defense: Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Newton, Ryan

Offense: McNabb, Rodgers, Brees

ST: Flacco

Just Missed: Luck, Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum, Warner/Palmer, Romo/Prescott, Stafford, Smith/Kaepernick

 

So it's a QB list as much as a coaching list. I am asking myself now, who are the top QB's that aren't on this list? The 50 win threshold & active status eliminates quite a few:

E. Manning, Rivers, Carr, Cousins

 

I'm sure the credit goes to coaches and QBs both and in some cases other ways to build a team (elite running/defense teams), but we all know its a QB league. Nothing shocking there, but I think it's clear that Mitch needs someone doing a great job developing him, even if it's not necessarily the HC.

So one interesting thing I did read about DeFillipo is that he's actually coming out of contract so Philly can't block him from leaving for a OC job. Granted, if he has any success, he probably ends up leaving for a HC job the next year a la Gase, but I did think it was an interesting wrinkle to the search process.

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Here's the current/active coaches with 9 wins/season and at least 50 wins, to give a sense of sustainable success:

 

Defense: Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Rivera, Mike Smith

Offense: Reid, McCarthy, Payton

ST: John Harbaugh

 

Just missed: Pagano (D), Zimmer, (D), Arians (O), Garrett (O), Caldwell (O), Jim Harbaugh (O)

 

Your list presented in anotherway:

 

Defense: Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Newton, Ryan

Offense: McNabb, Rodgers, Brees

ST: Flacco

Just Missed: Luck, Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum, Warner/Palmer, Romo/Prescott, Stafford, Smith/Kaepernick

 

So it's a QB list as much as a coaching list. I am asking myself now, who are the top QB's that aren't on this list? The 50 win threshold & active status eliminates quite a few:

E. Manning, Rivers, Carr, Cousins

 

I'm sure the credit goes to coaches and QBs both and in some cases other ways to build a team (elite running/defense teams), but we all know its a QB league. Nothing shocking there, but I think it's clear that Mitch needs someone doing a great job developing him, even if it's not necessarily the HC.

 

Historically, it's pretty interesting defensive vs. offensive coaches.

 

Shula, Landry, Noll, Parcells were defensive guys

Gibbs, Reeves, Shottenheimer, Levy, Shanahan were offensive guys. A quick glimpse looks pretty close to 50/50 offensive/defensive coaches in the top 20 all-time wins (with guys like Halas, Paul Brown, Lambeau, etc. who did it all back in the day in their early 20s).....though I don't know if all them averaged 9 wins per year (for example Coughlin's at 8.5 for his career, and 8.5 for the Giants and Jags each ironically).

 

And John Harbaugh worked as a defensive coach before become a STC, so he'd make it 6-3 in favor of defensive coaches.

 

But I think the trend is clearly going offensive coaches way.

 

Sean McDermott won 9 his 1st year this year.

Anthony Lynn won 9 his 1st year this year.

Marrone has an 8.3 win average and has won 9 games in 2 of his 3 seasons (1-1 interim in between)

Gase won 10 his 1st year and only year with his starting QB healthy. (still average of 8 per season)

McVay 11 in 1st year this year.

Pederson averaging 10 wins in 2 years

Koetter had a 9 win season his 1st year last year.

Kyle Shanahan may never lose another game apparently.

 

I think there's a good chance that at least 3 of these guys get there. McVay and Pederson are ahead of the curve and have young rosters under contract for the foreseeable future. McDermott looks like a damn good coach considering his GM tried to tank the season and rebuild and he still made the playoffs.

 

On the defensive side, it looks like a case of teams just not really going after defensive guys as much because of the league being so QB driven, but it looks like only Zimmer and Quinn will get there. Of course, there are only 2 other defensive minded coaches that currently have jobs that were hired in the last 4 years (others being Bowles and Vance Joseph). I think Bowles is a really good coach, and he won 10 his first year but a pair of 5-win seasons since which were probably overachieving, but still puts him at risk of getting 9 per and 50 total anytime soon.

[Derwood]

You're conveniently leaving out failed offensive coaches like McAdoo

[KingCubsFan]

I have no doubt that the Bears can find a good head coach on either side of the ball. I was always a big fan of Lovie as a HC. My preference for an offensive coach has more to do with the fact that I’d like to see Mitch stay in the same system for several years. I don’t think that happens with a defensive-minded HC.

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Here's the current/active coaches with 9 wins/season and at least 50 wins, to give a sense of sustainable success:

 

Defense: Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Rivera, Mike Smith

Offense: Reid, McCarthy, Payton

ST: John Harbaugh

 

Just missed: Pagano (D), Zimmer, (D), Arians (O), Garrett (O), Caldwell (O), Jim Harbaugh (O)

 

Your list presented in anotherway:

 

Defense: Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Newton, Ryan

Offense: McNabb, Rodgers, Brees

ST: Flacco

Just Missed: Luck, Bridgewater/Bradford/Keenum, Warner/Palmer, Romo/Prescott, Stafford, Smith/Kaepernick

 

So it's a QB list as much as a coaching list. I am asking myself now, who are the top QB's that aren't on this list? The 50 win threshold & active status eliminates quite a few:

E. Manning, Rivers, Carr, Cousins

 

I'm sure the credit goes to coaches and QBs both and in some cases other ways to build a team (elite running/defense teams), but we all know its a QB league. Nothing shocking there, but I think it's clear that Mitch needs someone doing a great job developing him, even if it's not necessarily the HC.

So one interesting thing I did read about DeFillipo is that he's actually coming out of contract so Philly can't block him from leaving for a OC job. Granted, if he has any success, he probably ends up leaving for a HC job the next year a la Gase, but I did think it was an interesting wrinkle to the search process.

 

That's what you can't allow to happen though. 3 OCs in 3 years for Trubisky would be a bad idea even if there is some continuity at head coach. Pace really should have fired Fox after last year or forced him to fire Loggains and give him 2 years with a better OC that could be promoted to head coach in 2019 or just start all over then.

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You're conveniently leaving out failed offensive coaches like McAdoo

 

It's not conveniently leaving anyone out. The conversation wasn't about failed coaches, it was about successful coaches and I didn't start the conversation.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think have Im snake bitten by Lovies inability to get a competent OC. It scares me when considering another DC for HC hire

[Derwood]

Did Sulley get banned? I can't imagine he has no take on this

[Bobson Dugnutt]

he's just got his hands full with the Franken 2020 campaign.

[David]

Did Sulley get banned? I can't imagine he has no take on this

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

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