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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

The Longoria trade was a win-win to me. Either the Cards would have gotten stuck with that contract, or they miss out on one of their targets yet again. Cards fans have to be sitting uneasy right now.

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

Good points. But still would’ve liked to see them get stuck with it. Especially with him playing the position Donaldson/Machado play who they are both after now/in offseason. Anyways, whatever. Don’t see what the Giants are trying too do either. They still don’t have an OF and can’t really spend much money.

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i really wish the "haha i'd love to see x team get stuck with 's contract" thing would go away

 

 

(and yes, I know longoria just had a little bit of a down year)

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

Isn’t the theory that a team of 25 guys at 2 WAR beats a team with 5 ten WAR guys and 20 replacement level players? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I feel like I read that recently.

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

Isn’t the theory that a team of 25 guys at 2 WAR beats a team with 5 ten WAR guys and 20 replacement level players? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I feel like I read that recently.

It's a hell of a lot easier to improve the team that has stars & scrubs, though.

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

Isn’t the theory that a team of 25 guys at 2 WAR beats a team with 5 ten WAR guys and 20 replacement level players? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I feel like I read that recently.

 

The Cubs have depth and stars. The Cards have depth already. Closing off potential holes or marginal improvements aren't going to bridge the gap.

 

Put another way, Steamer(since we don't have Cubs ZiPS yet) says the difference between the 2 teams is 5 wins at the moment. The Cubs' top 5 projected players account for 22.2 wins. The Cardinals top 5 account for 16.4 wins.

David GOAT

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i really wish the "haha i'd love to see x team get stuck with 's contract" thing would go away

 

 

(and yes, I know longoria just had a little bit of a down year)

 

I'm going to make one exception to this

 

haha i'd love to see get stuck with jason heyward's contract

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I really wanted the Cardinals to be stuck with that contract

 

Longoria getting 15M AAV probably wasn't going to sink the Cardinals at any point in the future. If anything the net positive is that taking on his money wouldn't lower the cost of going after someone like Archer. The Cardinals can trade for all the Longorias and Colomes and sign all the Addison Reeds and Dexter Fowlers they want. It's the Archer/Donaldson/Machado tier of players they truly need to be a persistent threat to the division.

Isn’t the theory that a team of 25 guys at 2 WAR beats a team with 5 ten WAR guys and 20 replacement level players? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but I feel like I read that recently.

I think you'd rather have (or at least I would) 5 Kris Bryant's, Trout's, Harper's, Lindor's, Scherzer's etc. with a dozen Tommy LaStellas/Jon Jays than a dozen of Jed Gyorko's

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it should be the title of the thread

 

i wish i knew whether this was a bit or you just literally never have any idea what the hell is going on

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I don't get why they just don't blow it up

 

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If you read the piece you'll see why. That title really doesn't mesh with the article

 

Thing is the caption right below the title says as much

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I don't get why they just don't blow it up

 

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If you read the piece you'll see why. That title really doesn't mesh with the article

I read it and just don’t agree. I think they’d get solid prospects for all their logical guys to trade. I think he undersells some of the value of them along with money owed/needed to be paid. They’d get a Sale type trade for Bumgarner, they’d get top 25-50 MLB prospects for all of Crawford, Belt, Samardzija and Cueto and wouldn’t have to pay much of the salaries outside of Cueto. Posey would bring back a good haul too but I could see keeping him as franchise icon. Trading those guys + the bottoming out due to having a bad roster and adding high picks for a few years and doing Feldman/Hammel type 1 year and flip deals would have them with a top system very fast.

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