Cubs Offseason Rumors

[Cubswin11]

Yelich

[javy knows my name]

Wow it would be really awkward if we got both

[Cubswin11]

I'd be fine with either of these routes the rest of the offseason

 

Scenario 1:

Almora or Happ, Monty, Ademan, a pitching prospect(s), and Caritini for Cole and Rivero

Sign Cain

Sign Avila

 

Scenario 2:

Happ, Monty, Ademan, Alzolay, and Albertos for Yelich

Sign Yu

Sign Liriano to take Monty's swing role

Likely sign a cheaper backup C than Avila but still would like Avila the most if the contract worked

Edited January 6, 2018 by Cubswin11

[jumbo]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

 

this feels like the si,ultaneous csstro trade and zobrist signing

there has to be something else happening contingent upon yelich and cain

[Cubswin11]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

 

this feels like the si,ultaneous csstro trade and zobrist signing

there has to be something else happening contingent upon yelich and cain

For Cain almost certainly you would think some other move is being coordinated with it that would have Almora/Happ going out (like for Cole like I mentioned above). Yelich, not so much just because I find it hard to believe Happ/Almora isn’t in a deal for him.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

 

this feels like the si,ultaneous csstro trade and zobrist signing

there has to be something else happening contingent upon yelich and cain

 

I think it’s one or the other, not both.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I really don't want to wind up with Cain, partly because meh, but mostly because I can't imagine we sign both Cain and Yu, and Yu is what I want more than anything...not even mentioning what signing Cain does to our chances of signing Harper.

[Bull]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

 

this feels like the si,ultaneous csstro trade and zobrist signing

there has to be something else happening contingent upon yelich and cain

 

I think it’s one or the other, not both.

Right. He means contingent on whether it’s yelich or Cain. One is a trade (ostensibly precluding a trade for a pitcher) the other is a signing (allowing for a trade for a pitcher).

[Dfan25]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

I honestly doubt Levine said this. I think if this were true he would have put it on his Twitter or something. I Wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who claims he heard this got confused with something Levine mentioned.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

this feels like the si,ultaneous csstro trade and zobrist signing

there has to be something else happening contingent upon yelich and cain

 

I think it’s one or the other, not both.

Right. He means contingent on whether it’s yelich or Cain. One is a trade (ostensibly precluding a trade for a pitcher) the other is a signing (allowing for a trade for a pitcher).

 

 

Well, yes, the Cubs also need a pitcher.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wow it would be really awkward if we got both

not for me

[davell]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

I honestly doubt Levine said this. I think if this were true he would have put it on his Twitter or something. I Wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who claims he heard this got confused with something Levine mentioned.

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/02/cubs-2018-needs-additions-arrieta-darvish-cobb-yelich/

 

He brought up Cain a few days ago.

[Dfan25]

Apparently this was said during Sat morning baseball show on score:

 

I honestly doubt Levine said this. I think if this were true he would have put it on his Twitter or something. I Wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who claims he heard this got confused with something Levine mentioned.

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/02/cubs-2018-needs-additions-arrieta-darvish-cobb-yelich/

 

He brought up Cain a few days ago.

Yeah I know he brought Cain up the other day but is another thing to say the Cubs actually have an offer on the table. With that said there is a poster on another board who heard the show as well and that póster said Levine mentioned the Cubs have 8 offers out between FA and trade proposals. Trade offers are for Archer / Colé / Yelich and Colome.

[cubsclapp]

I honestly doubt Levine said this. I think if this were true he would have put it on his Twitter or something. I Wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who claims he heard this got confused with something Levine mentioned.

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/02/cubs-2018-needs-additions-arrieta-darvish-cobb-yelich/

 

He brought up Cain a few days ago.

Yeah I know he brought Cain up the other day but is another thing to say the Cubs actually have an offer on the table. With that said there is a poster on another board who heard the show as well and that póster said Levine mentioned the Cubs have 8 offers out between FA and trade proposals. Trade offers are for Archer / Colé / Yelich and Colome.

 

I haven't heard 8 offers, but he did say they have 6 offers on the table a couple days ago on the radio.

 

The names he keeps saying are Arrieta, Darvish, Cain, Yelich, Cobb, and Reed. I believe he's mentioned Cole a couple times too.

[cubsclapp]

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/02/cubs-2018-needs-additions-arrieta-darvish-cobb-yelich/

 

He brought up Cain a few days ago.

Yeah I know he brought Cain up the other day but is another thing to say the Cubs actually have an offer on the table. With that said there is a poster on another board who heard the show as well and that póster said Levine mentioned the Cubs have 8 offers out between FA and trade proposals. Trade offers are for Archer / Colé / Yelich and Colome.

 

I haven't heard 8 offers, but he did say they have 6 offers on the table a couple days ago on the radio.

 

I don't know if these are all of the guys with the "offers", but the names he keeps saying are Arrieta, Darvish, Cain, Yelich, Cobb, and Reed. I believe he's mentioned Cole a couple times too.

[Bear Cub]

I heard Levine and he did say the Cubs had eight offers out as of now. (Arrieta,Darvish,Cobb,Archer,Cole, Colome,Cain, and Yelish.) He said that the Cubs would be interested in Cain at 13/15 a year.

[Regular Show]

I heard Levine and he did say the Cubs had eight offers out as of now. (Arrieta,Darvish,Cobb,Archer,Cole, Colome,Cain, and Yelish.) He said that the Cubs would be interested in Cain at 13/15 a year.

 

I don't understand the interest in Cain at all, unless we plan on moving Almora and/or Happ in a deal for pitching I guess? I mean I'd be down for signing Cain on 1 year pillow-contract if he doesn't get the multiyear deal he's looking for...

 

If we signed Cain I doubt it'd be on a one year deal though. Defense is an important part of L. Cain's game and if his offensive abilities collapse I don't think it's wise to invest that much money in two players solely for their defensive abilities.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I'm surprised we haven't made an official offer for Salazar

[Cubswin11]

I'm surprised we haven't made an official offer for Salazar

He seems like the high risk/injury profile pitcher they have shown to avoid. Especially for the likely acquisition cost (would think Schwarbs or Happ or Javy would be asked for). They seem to like guys with cleaner track records or defined injury like TJS (Lackey, Cobb, Darvish, wasn’t TJS but Wade’s elbow). Salazar is all over the place with injuries. Salazar would be a pretty hard pass for me unless the asking price was low like Monty being the main MLB piece (maybe they want some rotation stability, Monty wants to start and we want to take the risk on Salazar).

[We Got The Whole 9]

I'm surprised we haven't made an official offer for Salazar

He seems like the high risk/injury profile pitcher they have shown to avoid. Especially for the likely acquisition cost (would think Schwarbs or Happ or Javy would be asked for). They seem to like guys with cleaner track records or defined injury like TJS (Lackey, Cobb, Darvish, wasn’t TJS but Wade’s elbow). Salazar is all over the place with injuries. Salazar would be a pretty hard pass for me unless the asking price was low like Monty being the main MLB piece (maybe they want some rotation stability, Monty wants to start and we want to take the risk on Salazar).

Well it does appear they like to kick the tires each year at least so there's significant interest there. I guess they just haven't made a formal offer.

[Cubswin11]

I'm surprised we haven't made an official offer for Salazar

He seems like the high risk/injury profile pitcher they have shown to avoid. Especially for the likely acquisition cost (would think Schwarbs or Happ or Javy would be asked for). They seem to like guys with cleaner track records or defined injury like TJS (Lackey, Cobb, Darvish, wasn’t TJS but Wade’s elbow). Salazar is all over the place with injuries. Salazar would be a pretty hard pass for me unless the asking price was low like Monty being the main MLB piece (maybe they want some rotation stability, Monty wants to start and we want to take the risk on Salazar).

Well it does appear they like to kick the tires each year at least so there's significant interest there. I guess they just haven't made a formal offer.

I think the rumors of being connected to him are almost all media driven. I don’t think there’s ever been anything concrete on him or Carrasco or Bauer about offers. More just media speculation/mock trades, kinda like the Mets pitching rumors for Starlin/Javy/etc back in the day, mostly writers making stuff up that “makes sense.”

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I realize all of the "lets trade Montgomery cause he wants to start" talk is a real thing that happens in sports but I hope it doesnt get to the table in Theo's office. I mean, I get trading him if it makes us better, but I dont get trading him just because he wants to start. I am sure La Stella would like to start too, but it just isnt happening right now. We want to put together the best roster possible, and having Montgomery in the role he is in now helps us achieve that. If he can't come around to that idea, too horsefeathering bad.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Other better/more informed posters have already said this, but I assume most of these trade and free agent "offers" are contingent on other things happening or not happening. For example, I suspect our free agent offer to Cain (and/or our trade offer for Archer) is contingent on us not signing Darvish or Arrieta or the Marlins accepting any currently outstanding trade offer for Yelich.

 

The more interesting piece to me is what Theo and Jed's internal "pecking order" for these various moves. My personal preference would be Darvish + a trade for Yelich (assuming the price isn't outrageous), though Cain + a trade for Archer (same assumption) wouldn't ruin my January either.

[davell]

Our group is obviously cautious. I'm really thinking that we're part of the reason for the slow off season, at this point. Why? Arbitration and the LT. 1)I think most of our targets likely have us first as their preference. 2) Were got guys hitting arb that could easily be 4-5 mill different than what the MLBTR estimates say. Example- KB and Addy costing 10.5 and 3.5 instead of 8.9 and 2.3.....3) These figures mean a ton to us, due to the LT and shape how much we ACTUALLY can give anyone in FA.

 

If we want to sign Darvish and trade for Yelich.....

 

Heyward-23, Lester-25.8, Zobrist-14, Chatwood-12.7, Morrow-10.5, Cishek-6.5, Quintana-4.2, Rizzo-5.9, Strop-5.9, Smyly-5

 

Total-113.5(These numbers are rounded off to the nearest 10th)

 

Arb Estimates

 

KB-8.9, Hendricks-4.9, Wilson-4.3, Addy-2.3, Grimm-2.4, Seal Boy-1

 

Total-23.8

 

Total of 137.1

 

Figure on 10 pre arb guys making the roster at 600k apiece- 6 mill (now 143.1 total)

 

Figure on the rest of your 40 man- 3 mill( now 146.1 total)

 

Add in for insurances- 16 mill(again, an estimate) New total of 162.1

 

This leaves 36.9 mill to spend up against the LT.

 

But, these estimates being off by a few mill alters things quite a bit.....

 

Let's say Yu signs for 5/140. That's 28 obviously. Yelich is 7.1. Do you make those moves RIGHT NOW, prior to knowing your true arb numbers? It'd leave you 1.8 under the LT AND no room for in season moves.

 

Having a firmer grasp on the true numbers allows you certainty of what you're truly committing to.

 

Again, this is just a guess on Darvish. But, you see how the margins are tight as hell.

 

We're obviously dead set on staying under the LT. We want to put the best possible team out there, that we can. I think we're a premier destination and players are willing to wait this situation out.

 

Unless we trade for the SP, I really think we're holding the market up until after the arb stuff is done.

[Bertz]

Our group is obviously cautious. I'm really thinking that we're part of the reason for the slow off season, at this point. Why? Arbitration and the LT. 1)I think most of our targets likely have us first as their preference. 2) Were got guys hitting arb that could easily be 4-5 mill different than what the MLBTR estimates say. Example- KB and Addy costing 10.5 and 3.5 instead of 8.9 and 2.3.....3) These figures mean a ton to us, due to the LT and shape how much we ACTUALLY can give anyone in FA.

 

This is a really good point. I could see it affecting the Dodgers, Yankees, and Giants as well. All three of them are ~15 million under the tax. The Yankees seem to want another starter, and the Giants want another outfielder. The Dodgers seem to be done, but maybe they're talking to Addison Reed or one of the second tier starters like Jaime Garcia. Hell, the Astros are in a similar position to us as well, ~40 under the cap and talking to Darvish.