Highland Park scraps tackle football

[Banedon]

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Doesn't bode well for the future of football.

[jersey cubs fan]

[David]

 

yup

[jersey cubs fan]

I've said this before and reiterate when I see my nephew playing but no young kid should play tackle football. The coaches suck at teaching technique and and some probably promote to the worst habits. I played flag football in junior high and didn't tackle until high school, while my cousins were playing tackle football as wee lads. You could probably get away with going as far as having freshman football remaining flag, holding off on tackle for a while.

[SouthSideRyan]

One of our drills was Pop Pop and Pop(an offshoot from the original Pop Pop and Drop, where Drop was to tackle each other). You'd run from 10 yards apart and crash helmets. 3 times.

[minnesotacubsfan]

One of our drills was Pop Pop and Pop(an offshoot from the original Pop Pop and Drop, where Drop was to tackle each other). You'd run from 10 yards apart and crash helmets. 3 times.

 

The rich live so differently then us poor

[Sammy Sofa]

The mere fact that you call tackling "pop, pop and pop" tells me that you're not ready.

[jersey cubs fan]

The mere fact that you call tackling "pop, pop and pop" tells me that you're not ready.

 

 

 

[Ryne Ween]

I played football growing up through high school. And all the coaches had us playing meathead style. Drills basically designed to cause head injuries.

 

Even though you had some big disparity in maturity and strength levels the reality is, looking back, I probably did not have a single concussion or head injury accumulation. Mainly because the at 100lbs-140lbs in pop warner football you aren't big or strong enough to do real damage to each other. I still think high school football is really safe when it comes to head injury risk. The greater risk was always a psycho coach running a kid to death.

 

Is high school football more dangerous than wrestling where kids are cutting weight into renal or kidney failure. Or track and cross country events where kids with knowledge of proper hydration are over exerting.

 

I feel like the hysteria around football (which is reasonable when you are talking about college and pro football) is not reasonable at low levels. The extreme likelihood is that a kid can play pee wee and high school football with very minimal almost non existent risk of head injury.

[jersey cubs fan]

I played football growing up through high school. And all the coaches had us playing meathead style. Drills basically designed to cause head injuries.

 

Even though you had some big disparity in maturity and strength levels the reality is, looking back, I probably did not have a single concussion or head injury accumulation. Mainly because the at 100lbs-140lbs in pop warner football you aren't big or strong enough to do real damage to each other. I still think high school football is really safe when it comes to head injury risk. The greater risk was always a psycho coach running a kid to death.

 

Is high school football more dangerous than wrestling where kids are cutting weight into renal or kidney failure. Or track and cross country events where kids with knowledge of proper hydration are over exerting.

 

I feel like the hysteria around football (which is reasonable when you are talking about college and pro football) is not reasonable at low levels. The extreme likelihood is that a kid can play pee wee and high school football with very minimal almost non existent risk of head injury.

of course this guy has a dumb opinion about everything.

[Ryne Ween]

I played football growing up through high school. And all the coaches had us playing meathead style. Drills basically designed to cause head injuries.

 

Even though you had some big disparity in maturity and strength levels the reality is, looking back, I probably did not have a single concussion or head injury accumulation. Mainly because the at 100lbs-140lbs in pop warner football you aren't big or strong enough to do real damage to each other. I still think high school football is really safe when it comes to head injury risk. The greater risk was always a psycho coach running a kid to death.

 

Is high school football more dangerous than wrestling where kids are cutting weight into renal or kidney failure. Or track and cross country events where kids with knowledge of proper hydration are over exerting.

 

I feel like the hysteria around football (which is reasonable when you are talking about college and pro football) is not reasonable at low levels. The extreme likelihood is that a kid can play pee wee and high school football with very minimal almost non existent risk of head injury.

of course this guy has a dumb opinion about everything.

 

No but you are dumb.

[weis21]

I played football growing up through high school. And all the coaches had us playing meathead style. Drills basically designed to cause head injuries.

 

Even though you had some big disparity in maturity and strength levels the reality is, looking back, I probably did not have a single concussion or head injury accumulation. Mainly because the at 100lbs-140lbs in pop warner football you aren't big or strong enough to do real damage to each other. I still think high school football is really safe when it comes to head injury risk. The greater risk was always a psycho coach running a kid to death.

 

Is high school football more dangerous than wrestling where kids are cutting weight into renal or kidney failure. Or track and cross country events where kids with knowledge of proper hydration are over exerting.

 

I feel like the hysteria around football (which is reasonable when you are talking about college and pro football) is not reasonable at low levels. The extreme likelihood is that a kid can play pee wee and high school football with very minimal almost non existent risk of head injury.

of course this guy has a dumb opinion about everything.

 

No but you are dumb.

He is NSBB's Clay Travis

[UMFan83]

I love how this take is so dumb that no one is bothering to rebuttal it. Not worth the effort

[bukie]

I love how this take is so dumb that no one is bothering to rebuttal it. Not worth the effort

The posting history is documented proof of the dangers of tackle football. No further comment necessary.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Just because you don't REMEMBER head injuries doesn't mean you don't have them

[Ryne Ween]

I love how this take is so dumb that no one is bothering to rebuttal it. Not worth the effort

The posting history is documented proof of the dangers of tackle football. No further comment necessary.

 

Wait so it's q.e.d. that high school football should be abolished? Ok guys I must have cte.

 

You have a forum here full of this weird groupthink. I'm not sure if you are stupid or insecure in that you take an extreme opinion like football should be outlawed, Star Wars is important for adult males or game of thrones integrity matters, easy and apparently incontrovertible. The stronger you hold these thoughts and write them out and read them you reinforce them in some application of dual code theory. And the more you focus on the secret parentage of a game of thrones character or a new trailer for Star Wars and that football needs to be destroyed the more you can armor your psychological resilience and having never satisfied a woman resonates somewhat less.

[Sammy Sofa]

I love how this take is so dumb that no one is bothering to rebuttal it. Not worth the effort

The posting history is documented proof of the dangers of tackle football. No further comment necessary.

 

Wait so it's q.e.d. that high school football should be abolished? Ok guys I must have cte.

 

You have a forum here full of this weird groupthink. I'm not sure if you are stupid or insecure in that you take an extreme opinion like football should be outlawed, Star Wars is important for adult males or game of thrones integrity matters, easy and apparently incontrovertible. The stronger you hold these thoughts and write them out and read them you reinforce them in some application of dual code theory. And the more you focus on the secret parentage of a game of thrones character or a new trailer for Star Wars and that football needs to be destroyed the more you can armor your psychological resilience and having never satisfied a woman resonates somewhat less.

 

0.3

 

Too derivative of sulley and that Cubbie Swagger guy.

 

Also: not having kids tackle doesn't mean "abolishing football."

[jersey cubs fan]

Wait so it's q.e.d. that high school football should be abolished? Ok guys I must have cte.

 

do you even read, bro?

[SouthSideRyan]

I love how this take is so dumb that no one is bothering to rebuttal it. Not worth the effort

The posting history is documented proof of the dangers of tackle football. No further comment necessary.

 

Wait so it's q.e.d. that high school football should be abolished? Ok guys I must have cte.

 

You have a forum here full of this weird groupthink. I'm not sure if you are stupid or insecure in that you take an extreme opinion like football should be outlawed, Star Wars is important for adult males or game of thrones integrity matters, easy and apparently incontrovertible. The stronger you hold these thoughts and write them out and read them you reinforce them in some application of dual code theory. And the more you focus on the secret parentage of a game of thrones character or a new trailer for Star Wars and that football needs to be destroyed the more you can armor your psychological resilience and having never satisfied a woman resonates somewhat less.

 

Well I had sex with your wife.

[Regular Show]

I have no idea who this Ryne Ween guy is, but he has over 2000 posts and some great comebacks and zingers in this thread like "No but you are dumb".

 

Damn, take it easy Ryan lol.

 

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Yeah, kids definitely shouldn't be playing tackle football. It's frightening that they do. And the coaches at those levels are often terrible and think they are Jon Gruden. I absolutely wouldn't trust sending a pre-high school child to play for some random guy.

 

Even high school football is pretty bad. There are some psycho coaches with antiquated views, who are in complete denial of the effects of head injuries. The whole sport is really scary.

 

I do think football probably gets a bit of a bad of a rap, mainly because of how fucked up the NFL is. If the NFL hadn't lied for so long and covered up the issue, there probably wouldn't be as much of an exodus from football. Football is a terribly violent sport. And the risk of head injury is higher in it than other sports. But, hockey and soccer are bad, too. And there are lots of head injuries in basically every sport. Volleyball, wrestling, basketball, baseball, cycling, horseback riding... the list goes on and on. Football is the worst offender, but it's not just a football problem.

 

I'm not sure how brain trauma research has effected participation levels in, say, soccer. But I do find it a little odd that everyone hates football now, while Americans are going to spend, like, a billion dollars to watch two grown men repeatedly punch each other in the face tonight. That doesn't make football any better. It's definitely a problem -- the biggest. But, I'm not sure it deserves a scarlet letter, where other sports do not.

 

I don't know, maybe it should be abolished. We're never going to stop people from suffering head injuries in such a violent sport. I think we can alleviate the issue, some, with more research and better technology. New and improved helmets could really help the sport. Plus, better awareness in general -- stricter adherence to rules, proper teaching, etc. -- would help.

 

The school I coach at takes the issue seriously. Our players have sensors in their helmets that are linked to hand-held devices that we have on the sidelines during games and in practices. It's not something that is taken lightly. And our head coach isn't some ranting, raving maniac that has the players pummeling each other in the head for shits and giggles. His philosophy is more laid back and fun. Our school's football program has historically been horrible. And he's mellow and easy going. And the kids at the school have responded. Our numbers are way up. And we've been very successful, without him going Bear Bryant on them. It's not perfect. But I feel a lot less dirty knowing that we aren't completely ignoring the issue.

[Sammy Sofa]

You have a forum here full of this weird groupthink. I'm not sure if you are stupid or insecure in that you take an extreme opinion like football should be outlawed, Star Wars is important for adult males or game of thrones integrity matters, easy and apparently incontrovertible. The stronger you hold these thoughts and write them out and read them you reinforce them in some application of dual code theory. And the more you focus on the secret parentage of a game of thrones character or a new trailer for Star Wars and that football needs to be destroyed the more you can armor your psychological resilience and having never satisfied a woman resonates somewhat less.

 

I think this deserves another look just so people realize how damn crazy and paranoid it sounds. Remember, this is a person talking about football, Star Wars and Game of Thrones.

[weis21]

also, i've "satisfied" plenty of women in my day. just ask both my ex-wives for starters.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm not sure how brain trauma research has effected participation levels in, say, soccer. But I do find it a little odd that everyone hates football now, while Americans are going to spend, like, a billion dollars to watch two grown men repeatedly punch each other in the face tonight. That doesn't make football any better. It's definitely a problem -- the biggest. But, I'm not sure it deserves a scarlet letter, where other sports do not.

 

It's a grey area, but the biggest things that stick out is the huge gulf in popularity between football and fight sports in terms of how many kids participate in each sport, and the NFL's lying, feet-dragging, covering-up, not taking good care of retired players-way of approaching this issue. Like, nobody's ever pretended like boxing wasn't horsefeathering you up. The NFL, however, kept pretending that even as guys just get bigger and faster and all they're wearing are these dinky helmets (nevermind concussions don't just occur due to head impact) that things like concussions and CTE and brain trauma weren't a major problem.

 

I mean, call it hypocrisy if you want, but boxing has worn its scumbaggery in how its run and promoted and what it does to the fighters almost as an odd badge of pride for its entire existence. The NFL, however, for at least the last 25 years, has tried its hardest to present itself as THE all-American sport, embracing jingo-istic pro-military/pro-'Murrica garbage, all the while trying to tap dance away from things like concussions and CTE and what players are doing off the field. This is not the kind of sport and not the kind of organization that should be inspiring who knows how many kids each year to be colliding into each other with all the safety precautions of duct-taping someone to a car seat if the seat belt is broken.

 

Like, don't think this means other sports don't have to deal with concussions; they all do. As the understanding of how the brain works has evolved, it's become clear that just sudden stops and falls can cause brain injury even if the head doesn't seem to have been struck, or hasn't been struck hard. But it's the height of absurdity that football, where they've been intentionally working to make these guys as strong and as fast as possible, ran around as long as they did with their fingers in their ears (and still are, to a degree) about the issue. Nobody's thinking you can completely prevent brain injuries in sports, but football is barreling towards a brick wall. Something has to change.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I'm not sure how brain trauma research has effected participation levels in, say, soccer. But I do find it a little odd that everyone hates football now, while Americans are going to spend, like, a billion dollars to watch two grown men repeatedly punch each other in the face tonight. That doesn't make football any better. It's definitely a problem -- the biggest. But, I'm not sure it deserves a scarlet letter, where other sports do not.

 

It's a grey area, but the biggest things that stick out is the huge gulf in popularity between football and fight sports in terms of how many kids participate in each sport, and the NFL's lying, feet-dragging, covering-up, not taking good care of retired players-way of approaching this issue. Like, nobody's ever pretended like boxing wasn't horsefeathering you up. The NFL, however, kept pretending that even as guys just get bigger and faster and all they're wearing are these dinky helmets (nevermind concussions don't just occur due to head impact) that things like concussions and CTE and brain trauma weren't a major problem.

 

I mean, call it hypocrisy if you want, but boxing has worn its scumbaggery in how its run and promoted and what it does to the fighters almost as an odd badge of pride for its entire existence. The NFL, however, for at least the last 25 years, has tried its hardest to present itself as THE all-American sport, embracing jingo-istic pro-military/pro-'Murrica garbage, all the while trying to tap dance away from things like concussions and CTE and what players are doing off the field. This is not the kind of sport and not the kind of organization that should be inspiring who knows how many kids each year to be colliding into each other with all the safety precautions of duct-taping someone to a car seat if the seat belt is broken.

 

Like, don't think this means other sports don't have to deal with concussions; they all do. As the understanding of how the brain works has evolved, it's become clear that just sudden stops and falls can cause brain injury even if the head doesn't seem to have been struck, or hasn't been struck hard. But it's the height of absurdity that football, where they've been intentionally working to make these guys as strong and as fast as possible, ran around as long as they did with their fingers in their ears (and still are, to a degree) about the issue. Nobody's thinking you can completely prevent brain injuries in sports, but football is barreling towards a brick wall. Something has to change.

 

For sure. I agree with all of that.

 

The NFL is horsefeathering horrible. And the worst part about it is, as you said, the NFL spending decades lying about it and covering it up, when they could have been working on finding a way to change. I'm not sure how much it will even help, but new technology could help some, particularly as it pertains to the football helmet. And they wasted decades of research. They are the Big Tobacco of sports.

Edited August 26, 2017 by Duke Silver