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Julie DiCaro was tweeting a source said Cubs and Tigers have had some serious discussions on Verlander, FWIW.

 

Just take him and Avila and Justin Wilson and give em Candelario and Caratini and Cease and whoever else.

 

Here are the tweets, FWIW

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/883040013998534656[/tweet]

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/883040172283219969[/tweet]

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/883040457458155521[/tweet]

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/883040984388562944[/tweet]

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/883041515970453504[/tweet]

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If they're taking on Verlander's dusty ass and big money to still have the prospects to also make Gray happen, then they're cool as hell.

 

If they manage to get Avila on top of that then I will worship them as pagan sex lords.

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"3. Justin Verlander, SP, and $20 million from the Tigers to the Cubs for Thomas Hatch, RHP prospect, Jose Paulino, LHP prospect, and Jose Rosario, RHP prospect.

 

These three pitching prospects rank in the top 20 for the Cubs, and while this may seem like less than a haul (it is that), with Verlander up and down this year the Tigers probably can’t expect to get top of the line guys. Hatch was a third rounder and Rosario throws close to 100 mph, and they’d help replenish the Tigers’ system. Verlander could revert to 2016 Cy Young form energized in Chicago, but as one rival pointed out, “There are a lot of innings on that arm.” So it’d be a gamble for the Cubs – though we’d always bet on Verlander. The Cubs’ excellent front office prefers pitchers younger than 30, but has done multi-year deals for guys it knows (Jon Lester and John Lackey). Everyone knows Verlander, and while the $28-million salary seems high at the moment, he has just two guaranteed years left, plus one year with a vesting option, plus a no-trade (more on this in the AL notes). Tigers people understand there is no realistic hope to deal Miguel Cabrera, Justin Upton, Jordan Zimmermann or Victor Martinez, and they have been interested in significantly paring a payroll that’s up there with the big boy Yankees and Dodgers. Verlander is the one guy who could put a major dent in that going forward, and word is the Tigers have identified at least four teams (the Red Sox, Astros and Yankees as well as the Cubs) in addition to the Dodgers who have a chance to have interest. The buzz has been that the Cubs could be their best chance, and Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported that they had called. Regardless, that’s a good place to start."

 

 

 

https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-9-trades-make-sense-deadline/

 

 

 

$20M and Verlander for those three arms? Sign me up

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He's probably just a freak. They're not going to extract some kind of super soldier serum or one trick that personal trainers HATE if they get their hands on him, you loon.
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Stroman is the guy Toronto builds around, not trades away

 

theo can just show them his cubs ring and tell them to build around young hitting like cool dudes

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Yeah, I'd take Verlander for that deal in a heartbeat. Sure this has been mentioned in this thread, but I wonder if the Cubs could get Verlander and Gausman ala Chapman and Montgomery. Put Gausman in the pen/long role for the rest of the season.
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Yeah, I'd take Verlander for that deal in a heartbeat. Sure this has been mentioned in this thread, but I wonder if the Cubs could get Verlander and Gausman ala Chapman and Montgomery. Put Gausman in the pen/long role for the rest of the season.

 

That was my thinking with Hahn.

 

I don't think the Orioles are ready to give up on Gausman yet.

David GOAT

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my opinion on the verlander idea depends entirely on theo's opinion of the idea

 

it's kinda where i'm at

 

if they're all that uncertain about what he is, they'd be kinda crazy to take a 70M gamble on a guy with bad peripherals and a 5 ERA

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If they want to pick up that contract and throw the Zagunis/Hatch/Candelario's of the farm then fine, whatever. However if they end up picking up that contract and dealing any of Eloy,Happ,Cease then that's going to be near impossible to justify to me.
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If they want to pick up that contract and throw the Zagunis/Hatch/Candelario's of the farm then fine, whatever. However if they end up picking up that contract and dealing any of Eloy,Happ,Cease then that's going to be near impossible to justify to me.

 

This. They can take the entire Iowa and Tennessee rosters for all I care, but if we're moving Happ or Eloy, we'd best be getting something along the lines of Sonny Gray.

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If they want to pick up that contract and throw the Zagunis/Hatch/Candelario's of the farm then fine, whatever. However if they end up picking up that contract and dealing any of Eloy,Happ,Cease then that's going to be near impossible to justify to me.

 

This. They can take the entire Iowa and Tennessee rosters for all I care, but if we're moving Happ or Eloy, we'd best be getting something along the lines of Sonny Gray.

 

Forget Gray and his 426 different injuries. If they're dealing Eloy, it better be for Archer or Stroman.

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My *updated* master plan for total world domination:

 

summer 2017:

1) trade Eloy, Cease, Zagunis for Stroman;

2) drop Lackey

3) Rotation is Lester/Stroman/Hendricks/Arrieta/Monty; Pen is fine as-is; offense is fine with a fixed schwarbs

 

winter 2017/18:

1) Tender Arrieta a qualifying offer and thank him for his service when he signs elsewhere

2) somehow convince Otani to come here (rotation now set with Lester/Stroman/Hendricks/Otani/Monty)

3) Sign Altuve to a big contract

4) Break the news to Zobrist that he's going to be an actual supersub along with Javy

5) Add relief help to replace Davis/Uehara/Duensing

6) Find another Jay - every other spot is filled with players under control

 

Winter 2018/19:

1) Convince Heyward to opt out or accept bench role.

2) Empty 1/2 bank for Harper

3) Trade Russell for a young, controllable SP

4) Empty other 1/2 bank for Machado, put him at SS.

5) Offense is Altuve/Harper/Bryant/Rizzo/Machado/Schwarbs/Happ/Contreras

 

Most expensive team in history? Sure. Are we going to lose all our first round picks for years? Yep. Don't care.

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It'll be interesting to see how Theo operates closer towards the end of his deal.....It ends at the same time as KB, Rizzo, Russell, Javy, and Schwarber....

 

He very well could just start going for mega talents, missing picks, and leaving when these guys are all FA with him....Not sure he'd do it, since Jed probably takes his role at that point....But, who knows? Maybe Jed bolts too.

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I just don't want Otani coming over this year. If he does, I can't see him taking 300k from us(or the Dodgers) and bypass the close to 10 mill the Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, or whoever can offer him now.

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