Bears offseason

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nvm

[UMFan83]

Josh Allen is staying in school. So, its Watson, Kizer, Trubisky, and Mahomes that are top 2 round guys.....

 

Oh man I read that as Jonathan Allen at first. That would have sucked. The more I read about him, the more I'd be apt to put him at the very top of my draft board.

[BigbadB]

Josh Allen is staying in school. So, its Watson, Kizer, Trubisky, and Mahomes that are top 2 round guys.....

 

Oh man I read that as Jonathan Allen at first. That would have sucked. The more I read about him, the more I'd be apt to put him at the very top of my draft board.

 

If he's truly that big of an impact player, and I'd have to guess one of the two teams picking ahead of the Bears goes QB, he should be there at #3. At that point, you can take him or get wowed by someone else that wants to move up to take him.

[Guest]

The Bears really have a great opportunity to wreck shop in this draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

DeShaun Watson hasnt decided on the Senior Bowl, but will train with former Bears great- Jordan Palmer

[davell]

Obviously, things can change. But next years QB class looks like an all-timer......Fox is on the hot seat now. Pace COULD be, but likely has another coaching hire and a top pick of a QB to burn, before he's given the ax.

 

Give Fox his impact defensive player this year. Allen, Adams, Hooker, whoever BPA is at 3 or wherever we wind up at drafting. This kind of hinges on grabbing Taylor at QB, or finding some other vet that's definitively not a downgrade from Jay.

 

With an impact D pick at 3, a couple big FA additions to the secondary.....The D could easily become elite, with Fangio having that much talent.

 

If you keep Alshon, Howard has an encore performance.....Playoffs look realistic. If things fall apart, you're still looking at a top half of the 1st pick, with Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Allen, and Browning all looking like 1st round talent QB's.....

 

Free Agency signings

 

QB Tyrod Taylor

WR Alshon Jeffery

CB Stephen Gilmore

S Tony Jefferson

 

Cut- QB Cutler, OLB Houston, WR Royal(saves another 24 mill)

 

Using WF last mock as a guide.....

 

3) Allen, 36)Jackson, 67) Westbrook, 100) Mills, 106)Webb

 

QB Taylor, Hoyer or Barkley, Webb

RB Howard, Langford, Carey

WR Jeffery, White, Meredith, Westbrook, 5th WR

TE Miller, Braunecker, Pruitt

OT Leno, Massie, depth signings

OG Long, Sitton, depth signings

C Whitehair, Grasu

 

DE Allen, Hicks, Bullard, Ferguson

DT Goldman, Unrein

OLB Floyd, McPhee, Young

ILB Freeman, Trevathan, Kwiatkowski, depth guy

CB Gilmore, Porter, Fuller, Hall, Leblanc, Jackson

S Jefferson, Amos, Quartey, Bush, Mills

 

 

That's good enough to contend in this division. I even think its doable, don't see it being unreasonable, given our cap space....

[WrigleyField 22]

Letting next years draft class influence your decision this year is silly, IMO.

[raw]

Yeah, the scared coaches and GM...along with the lockerroom talk that the team was going to compete next year leads me to believe that Pace isn't going to trust his and Fox's future on a rookie QB. That draft is pretty darn good, but I don't know that the Bears actually take Allen either. I think if the Bears decide they don't want any of these guys at #3, I don't think they'll be picking at #3. Assuming Garrett goes #1, they'd be in a prime spot for trade down (unless SF hires McDaniels and trades for Garoppolo and they trade down first) to a team that wants one of the QBs.

 

I have Allen as my #2 overall rated player, but I don't think he has enough position value or dynamic upside to be a "must pick" at 3. If staying at 3, I'd probably rather go with 1 of the safeties (Hooker/Adams) but both would be much more attractive down a few picks.

[davell]

Letting next years draft class influence your decision this year is silly, IMO.

 

Fine. Does the fact this years QB class sucks change your mind? The objective is to make the playoffs. Using the 3rd pick on a guy who's going to sit or suck in year 1 is a silly use of the pick. The class next year certainly gives you the ability to pass on one now. As does Taylor, who's an upgrade over our current group and still capable of being a long term answer himself.

 

If he's not? You can take one next year, in what looks to be a far, far superior group.

[davell]

Yeah, the scared coaches and GM...along with the lockerroom talk that the team was going to compete next year leads me to believe that Pace isn't going to trust his and Fox's future on a rookie QB. That draft is pretty darn good, but I don't know that the Bears actually take Allen either. I think if the Bears decide they don't want any of these guys at #3, I don't think they'll be picking at #3. Assuming Garrett goes #1, they'd be in a prime spot for trade down (unless SF hires McDaniels and trades for Garoppolo and they trade down first) to a team that wants one of the QBs.

 

I have Allen as my #2 overall rated player, but I don't think he has enough position value or dynamic upside to be a "must pick" at 3. If staying at 3, I'd probably rather go with 1 of the safeties (Hooker/Adams) but both would be much more attractive down a few picks.

 

I keep looking for teams that seem like they'd want to trade up. I'm having a hard time finding them. Allen being available at 3? I don't see what teams want to trade up to take him? Would someone trade up for a QB? I kind of doubt they'd move to 3 for that. Maybe 2? I just don't see a team moving up. Fournette? Maybe this is the guy teams move up for?

 

I'm fine with any of Allen, Adams, or Hooker at 3. But I think we'll really address S in FA too. Pairing Amos with a top notch guy is probably enough to consider it a strength, in my mind. So, Allen seems more of a fit from a draft standpoint.

 

But, I'd move down to the 10ish range and take Solomon Thomas, if I could find a team to trade with.....

 

Cincy at 9, New Orleans at 11, Baltimore at 16. Those are the 3 teams I could see moving up for defense. But, who knows.....Maybe Fournette is the hot play at 3 for someone.

[WrigleyField 22]

Letting next years draft class influence your decision this year is silly, IMO.

 

Fine. Does the fact this years QB class sucks change your mind?

Not sure I agree with that assessment yet.

 

The objective is to make the playoffs. Using the 3rd pick on a guy who's going to sit or suck in year 1 is a silly use of the pick.

Not if hes really awesone in years 2 and beyond.

 

The class next year certainly gives you the ability to pass on one now.

How many guys in next year class will be in their first year of draft eligibility?

 

As does Taylor, who's an upgrade over our current group and still capable of being a long term answer himself.

Well see what happens with Taylor or other vet options. I don't see any as true long term options. Taylor could be a medium-term option. But there isn't a guy, Taylor included that should preclude you from still drafting a long term QB if theres one you identify as a good pick.

 

If he's not? You can take one next year, in what looks to be a far, far superior group.

I'd ask the same question as above. QBs very frequently go back to school if they eligibility remaining, even when they look like top picks. And some of these guys have less than a season under their belt right now. A ton can change.

[raw]

Yeah, the scared coaches and GM...along with the lockerroom talk that the team was going to compete next year leads me to believe that Pace isn't going to trust his and Fox's future on a rookie QB. That draft is pretty darn good, but I don't know that the Bears actually take Allen either. I think if the Bears decide they don't want any of these guys at #3, I don't think they'll be picking at #3. Assuming Garrett goes #1, they'd be in a prime spot for trade down (unless SF hires McDaniels and trades for Garoppolo and they trade down first) to a team that wants one of the QBs.

 

I have Allen as my #2 overall rated player, but I don't think he has enough position value or dynamic upside to be a "must pick" at 3. If staying at 3, I'd probably rather go with 1 of the safeties (Hooker/Adams) but both would be much more attractive down a few picks.

 

I keep looking for teams that seem like they'd want to trade up. I'm having a hard time finding them. Allen being available at 3? I don't see what teams want to trade up to take him? Would someone trade up for a QB? I kind of doubt they'd move to 3 for that. Maybe 2? I just don't see a team moving up. Fournette? Maybe this is the guy teams move up for?

 

I'm fine with any of Allen, Adams, or Hooker at 3. But I think we'll really address S in FA too. Pairing Amos with a top notch guy is probably enough to consider it a strength, in my mind. So, Allen seems more of a fit from a draft standpoint.

 

But, I'd move down to the 10ish range and take Solomon Thomas, if I could find a team to trade with.....

 

Cincy at 9, New Orleans at 11, Baltimore at 16. Those are the 3 teams I could see moving up for defense. But, who knows.....Maybe Fournette is the hot play at 3 for someone.

 

Well @ 2, SF could sit there and take a QB (provided they don't sign/trade for one). Then teams could go crazy for the 2nd QB. I think the Jets (6), Buffalo (10), Cleveland (12) are teams I think could trade up for Watson/Trubisky/Kizer.

[davell]

Hot Take time.....Can't wait to see how wrong I end up.

 

1 QB goes in the top 10 of this draft. Watson.

 

Trubisky goes 12 to Cleveland. Kizer 13 to Arizona. Watson goes 2.

[davell]

Letting next years draft class influence your decision this year is silly, IMO.

 

Fine. Does the fact this years QB class sucks change your mind?

Not sure I agree with that assessment yet.

 

The objective is to make the playoffs. Using the 3rd pick on a guy who's going to sit or suck in year 1 is a silly use of the pick.

Not if hes really awesone in years 2 and beyond.

 

The class next year certainly gives you the ability to pass on one now.

How many guys in next year class will be in their first year of draft eligibility?

 

As does Taylor, who's an upgrade over our current group and still capable of being a long term answer himself.

Well see what happens with Taylor or other vet options. I don't see any as true long term options. Taylor could be a medium-term option. But there isn't a guy, Taylor included that should preclude you from still drafting a long term QB if theres one you identify as a good pick.

 

If he's not? You can take one next year, in what looks to be a far, far superior group.

I'd ask the same question as above. QBs very frequently go back to school if they eligibility remaining, even when they look like top picks. And some of these guys have less than a season under their belt right now. A ton can change.

 

I can't argue with the logic of any of this. I just think once it DOES shake out, it winds up being the best option. Meaning holding off on the early QB pick.

 

And flawed or not, I do think placating Fox plays into our 2017 pick. Not advocating it, but do think its real.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I expect Pace to go hard after Berry and Jefferson. Say he gets Berry, then I'd like to draft Adams; if he gets Jefferson, then draft Hooker. Keep Amos in the rotation but he needs to show more propensity for big plays and not just be a 'Steady Eddie' type. Our Safeties could go from a near black hole to a huge strength this offseason. We have the cap and draft position to make it happen for sure.

 

I'm down with signing Taylor but I am not too keen on Jeffery coming back. I'd rather bring in guys who could potentially take the top off a D and more precise route runners. His routes are still sloppy, he barely fights for the ball when a DB has a beat on it, and he doesn't create much separation so without a QB who can really thread the needle, I think he will not reach his ceiling.

 

I feel like this draft is so deep on DL and we have Bullard developing, so as sick as adding Allen seems it would be, I really don't think you pass on a chance to add an elite Safety prospect, and can load up on DL in the middle rounds.

 

I expect 2-3 CBs coming in FA+draft. The explosive element that Adoree brings would be huge for us. Getting him in the 2nd seems like great value.

 

Pace could make some moves and have 7 of the top 106 picks if he gets crafty. Trade 3 to the Jets for 6 and their 2. Move back with one of those 2s and add another 3 or 4. Tons of potential to add a massive infusion of talent. I think it's worth the risk but if he feels Adams and Hooker would be gone, then I'm pleased as pie if he takes one of them at 3.

[cubbyvirus00]

I originally wanted Jonathan Allen at 3, but I don't see how they can pass up a fixture stud safety like Jamal Adams. This defense needs impact playmakers in the secondary.

[WrigleyField 22]

I originally wanted Jonathan Allen at 3, but I don't see how they can pass up a fixture stud safety like Jamal Adams. This defense needs impact playmakers in the secondary.

I could go either way. Raw has brought up the good point on Allen before, that were effectively in a 2 down lineman set 1/2 the time, so he isn't a full time player. On the other hand, you're maybe less interested in a guy like that playing every down than being a dominant force on select plays when he is in.

 

The steadiness and long life span of a dominant safety on the ither hand has huge appeal.

 

Or if they like a QB enough, I'll be on board and hope for the best too.

[raw]

 

I'm down with signing Taylor but I am not too keen on Jeffery coming back. I'd rather bring in guys who could potentially take the top off a D and more precise route runners. His routes are still sloppy, he barely fights for the ball when a DB has a beat on it, and he doesn't create much separation so without a QB who can really thread the needle, I think he will not reach his ceiling.

 

 

This is weird. Why would you.....on a team devoid of young talent....NOT want to bring back a young guy with the most talent on the roster? I understand if you don't want to pay him a ton of money, still wrong, but I could buy that more than what you say here. He barely fights for the ball is just flat out wrong. He won't reach his ceiling? You mean back-to-back 85 catch seasons, a 1400 yard season, a double digit TD season, a league leading 90 yards per game season isn't his ceiling? Well, that's more reason to sign him if you think a precision QB could make him even better. Oh and as for that "thread the needle" QB......you do know that Jeffery has (at times) been great with Cutler, Hoyer, Barkley, and McCown at QB, none of which apply.

[WrigleyField 22]

My biggest issue with Jeffery has been health, but at the end of the day, you bite the bullet, but limit years and guarantee if possible. Maybe put in some big incentives?

[raw]

My biggest issue with Jeffery has been health, but at the end of the day, you bite the bullet, but limit years and guarantee if possible. Maybe put in some big incentives?

 

2015 was the only time he missed time due to injury in the last 4 years.

[Splendid Splinter]

What really scares me about Jeffery now is a failed test. Next time would be 8 games or a year?

 

That def comes into play now. I still offer him what TY Hilton got (5/65), but less guaranteed (28 mil).

[Splendid Splinter]

Spotrac puts Jeffery market value at 4/46 which is 11.5 mil/yr. Puts him in the 5-10 range for WRs. It shows comparables, how his avg stacks up against them, and how they adjust the $$$.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/alshon-jeffery-9855/market-value/

[jersey cubs fan]

https://twitter.com/itsinfernoo/status/821170720260517888

[WrigleyField 22]

My biggest issue with Jeffery has been health, but at the end of the day, you bite the bullet, but limit years and guarantee if possible. Maybe put in some big incentives?

 

2015 was the only time he missed time due to injury in the last 4 years.

He suited up, but he came into TC with hamstring issues and he didnt really seem 100% most the season.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I originally wanted Jonathan Allen at 3, but I don't see how they can pass up a fixture stud safety like Jamal Adams. This defense needs impact playmakers in the secondary.

 

Do you guys like Adams more than Hooker?