The Bryce is Right, Bitch

[Backtobanks]

Manny- .822 Career OPS (926 games)

Bryce- .900 Career OPS (927 games)

 

Manny- 33.8 bWAR

Bryce- 27.4 bWAR

 

Manny- 30.2 fWAR

Bryce- 30.7 fWAR

 

Manny OPS last 3 seasons- .905, .782, .876

Bryce OPS last 3 seasons- .889, 1.014, .814

 

I get why we all love Bryce.....

 

But I'm going to be just as happy if we bring Manny in.

 

In fact, I honestly believe Manny fits this roster better. Because it gives you the other guy you've got to find that can play SS.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bryce is the guy I think is more likely to come here. But, I think.these guys are extremely evenly matched at worst.

 

I never understood the "Bryce is a generational talent" talk. He's very good, but not exactly "generational talent".

[Tim]

Manny- .822 Career OPS (926 games)

Bryce- .900 Career OPS (927 games)

 

Manny- 33.8 bWAR

Bryce- 27.4 bWAR

 

Manny- 30.2 fWAR

Bryce- 30.7 fWAR

 

Manny OPS last 3 seasons- .905, .782, .876

Bryce OPS last 3 seasons- .889, 1.014, .814

 

I get why we all love Bryce.....

 

But I'm going to be just as happy if we bring Manny in.

 

In fact, I honestly believe Manny fits this roster better. Because it gives you the other guy you've got to find that can play SS.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bryce is the guy I think is more likely to come here. But, I think.these guys are extremely evenly matched at worst.

 

I never understood the "Bryce is a generational talent" talk. He's very good, but not exactly "generational talent".

Manny is also a generational talent. There can be more than one at a time.

 

If you look at players under 30 in MLB right now,he ranks 4th in WAR since his rookie year. He is only 1.3 WAR away from being second on that list (and a mere 33.3 behind Trout).

 

Also, count the number of hitters that have put up a 9+ WAR in a single season in the past 10 years. I'll save you the work. There have been 8 seasons of hitters achieving 9+ war since 2009. Five of them are Trout (holy crap is he good). One is Mookie this year. Then there's Bryce in 2015 (the other is Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011).

 

Also, Harper owns a bunch of hitting record for teenagers in MLB, including HR and WAR.

 

I'm a bit lost on why you wouldn't consider him a generational talent unless it is a silly semantics thing and you think that ONLY Trout is a generational talent for that "generation" of players.

[soccer10k]

That leaderboard is amazing.

 

Trout literally has twice the WAR in that span of the second best player.

[Derwood]

That leaderboard is amazing.

 

Trout literally has twice the WAR in that span of the second best player.

 

and he'll never win anything

[Tim]

That leaderboard is amazing.

 

Trout literally has twice the WAR in that span of the second best player.

For some reason, it hit me more when I looked at the 9+ WAR seasons. All of baseball during that time (minus Trout) has three. Trout alone has five.

 

 

That's insane.

[Banedon]

let's be giant whiny pessimists shall we?

 

Oh good, nobody's been doing that around here lately. Needed change.

[Bear Cub]

Mike Trout is a generational talent, not Harper or Machado.

[DonnieD]

I’ve heard there is a possibility that the Angels may look to move Trout if they cannot extend him this offseason. I wonder how interested he is in winning or if he just wants to stay comfortable in Anaheim. IF they do decide to move him, what are the odds the Cubs is would look that direction instead of Harper? What would it take to have the best player in baseball for 2 years while paying him almost $70M?

 

I’d think you’d want a chance to extend him first, $400M for 10 years? More?

 

What would be enough going to the Angels? Schwarber, Happ/Almora, Alzolay, +, +?

[Sammy Sofa]

I think there'd be zero chance they could net him in a trade.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I’ve heard there is a possibility that the Angels may look to move Trout if they cannot extend him this offseason. I wonder how interested he is in winning or if he just wants to stay comfortable in Anaheim. IF they do decide to move him, what are the odds the Cubs is would look that direction instead of Harper? What would it take to have the best player in baseball for 2 years while paying him almost $70M?

 

I’d think you’d want a chance to extend him first, $400M for 10 years? More?

 

What would be enough going to the Angels? Schwarber, Happ/Almora, Alzolay, +, +?

 

That wouldn't even get one of Trout's limbs.

[Sammy Sofa]

MAYBE a game-worn hat.

 

Maybe.

[Derwood]

The only way the Angels trade him is if they are comfortable knowing they will never get equal value back.

[toonsterwu]

I’ve heard there is a possibility that the Angels may look to move Trout if they cannot extend him this offseason. I wonder how interested he is in winning or if he just wants to stay comfortable in Anaheim. IF they do decide to move him, what are the odds the Cubs is would look that direction instead of Harper? What would it take to have the best player in baseball for 2 years while paying him almost $70M?

 

I’d think you’d want a chance to extend him first, $400M for 10 years? More?

 

What would be enough going to the Angels? Schwarber, Happ/Almora, Alzolay, +, +?

 

If Eppler is allowed to move Trout (and I find that unlikely, tbh, as I don't think Moreno would allow it), I'm not sure the Cubs are great fits. They would obviously want high caliber, impact talent. It's hard to really believe that Happ/Schwarber/Almora types hold that intrigue for other organizations, at least, to the magnitude of a Trout trade. After all, with 2 years left on the deal, all sorts of teams would likely jump in on this, particularly teams with loaded systems and young talent.

 

They are probably looking for catching help, more pitching, and maybe some sort of IF, so if you stretch the imagination ... no, I just don't see it.

 

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Realistically, on the Angels, I think they ponder Griffin Canning in the rotation next year (although may be a year early). I think they make a run at a FA SP, hope Ohtani full-time as a DH gives the lineup a big boost next season, and maybe scrounge for some cheap help in the IF and at C. Depending on how much Moreno is willing to spend, maybe they make a run at Ramos.

[Sammy Sofa]

Literally the only way I could see the Angels even considering such a trade with the Cubs is if the Cubs were willing to take the rest of Pujols' contract as well.

[davell]

We ain't got a match for Trout. Based on surplus value, I think it actually equates to 3 top 10 hitting prospects in all of baseball.

[DonnieD]

Literally the only way I could see the Angels even considering such a trade with the Cubs is if the Cubs were willing to take the rest of Pujols' contract as well.

That is interesting. I would do that. Pujols is worthless, so you’re basically paying $60M per to have Trout for the next two years and then paying $30M in 2021 for the privilege of having had Trout the two previous years. I wouldn’t give up much unless they were taking Heyward back, like just Almora or something. Value wise that might be pretty close to $/win.

 

Also wouldn’t need to extend Trout in that scenario, just add him to the window of the next two years and reevaluate after that.

[davell]

The Angels aren't poor. And NO ONE is stupid enough to lessen the value of the best player in baseball, with one of the worst contracts in baseball.

[Sammy Sofa]

Literally the only way I could see the Angels even considering such a trade with the Cubs is if the Cubs were willing to take the rest of Pujols' contract as well.

That is interesting. I would do that. Pujols is worthless, so you’re basically paying $60M per to have Trout for the next two years and then paying $30M in 2021 for the privilege of having had Trout the two previous years. I wouldn’t give up much unless they were taking Heyward back, like just Almora or something. Value wise that might be pretty close to $/win.

 

Also wouldn’t need to extend Trout in that scenario, just add him to the window of the next two years and reevaluate after that.

 

But that's the point; there's essentially no way for the Cubs to make this work.

[Backtobanks]

Manny- .822 Career OPS (926 games)

Bryce- .900 Career OPS (927 games)

 

Manny- 33.8 bWAR

Bryce- 27.4 bWAR

 

Manny- 30.2 fWAR

Bryce- 30.7 fWAR

 

Manny OPS last 3 seasons- .905, .782, .876

Bryce OPS last 3 seasons- .889, 1.014, .814

 

I get why we all love Bryce.....

 

But I'm going to be just as happy if we bring Manny in.

 

In fact, I honestly believe Manny fits this roster better. Because it gives you the other guy you've got to find that can play SS.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bryce is the guy I think is more likely to come here. But, I think.these guys are extremely evenly matched at worst.

 

I never understood the "Bryce is a generational talent" talk. He's very good, but not exactly "generational talent".

Manny is also a generational talent. There can be more than one at a time.

 

If you look at players under 30 in MLB right now,he ranks 4th in WAR since his rookie year. He is only 1.3 WAR away from being second on that list (and a mere 33.3 behind Trout).

 

Also, count the number of hitters that have put up a 9+ WAR in a single season in the past 10 years. I'll save you the work. There have been 8 seasons of hitters achieving 9+ war since 2009. Five of them are Trout (holy crap is he good). One is Mookie this year. Then there's Bryce in 2015 (the other is Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011).

 

Also, Harper owns a bunch of hitting record for teenagers in MLB, including HR and WAR.

 

I'm a bit lost on why you wouldn't consider him a generational talent unless it is a silly semantics thing and you think that ONLY Trout is a generational talent for that "generation" of players.

 

 

It might be a semantics thing, but it's not necessarily silly. As I said Harper (and Machado) are very good players that fit in nicely into this generation of stars like Betts, Stanton, Donaldson, Rendon, Lindor, Ramirez, Altuve, Springer, Goldschmidt, Votto, Carpenter, Yelich, Bryant, etc., but when I speak of generational talent I'm thinking of the 4-5 players who will define this generation of baseball. I'm not sure Harper fits that description yet. He's young enough to add to his legacy, but so are many of the other players listed. There's no doubt names like Trout and Kershaw will be defining this generation.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Bryce Harper is a generational talent, ful stop

[Backtobanks]

Bryce Harper is a generational talent, ful stop

 

 

One phenominal season as a 22 yr. old and 6 other seasons with a line of .269/24 HRs/70 RBI/ 2.9 WAR makes for a solid everyday OF, but not a generational talent in my book. As I said before, he's young enough to add to his legacy, but right now his season as a 22 yr. old looks like an outlier. A lot of potential, a ton of hype, and a whole lotta money.

[imb]

7th in the entire baseball world in wrc+ since 2013 even with those injury-plagued seasons

[17 Seconds]

yeah the only question for me is how much the defense will hurt him. offensively he is as close to a sure thing that you can get.

[17 Seconds]

Bryce Harper is a generational talent, ful stop

 

 

One phenominal season as a 22 yr. old and 6 other seasons with a line of .269/24 HRs/70 RBI/ 2.9 WAR makes for a solid everyday OF, but not a generational talent in my book. As I said before, he's young enough to add to his legacy, but right now his season as a 22 yr. old looks like an outlier. A lot of potential, a ton of hype, and a whole lotta money.

 

you forgetting about his 2017 where he went .319/.413/.595?

 

he has a career .900 OPS, and that's with a bunch of plate appearances as a teenager weighing it down

[Cubswin11]

Bryce Harper is a generational talent, ful stop

 

 

One phenominal season as a 22 yr. old and 6 other seasons with a line of .269/24 HRs/70 RBI/ 2.9 WAR makes for a solid everyday OF, but not a generational talent in my book. As I said before, he's young enough to add to his legacy, but right now his season as a 22 yr. old looks like an outlier. A lot of potential, a ton of hype, and a whole lotta money.

 

you forgetting about his 2017 where he went .319/.413/.595?

 

he has a career .900 OPS, and that's with a bunch of plate appearances as a teenager weighing it down

How many RBIs did he have that year though?