Bulls 2016-2017 Season

[Sammy Sofa]

And you can wish for wanting to see them have any kind of chance to be competitive in the playoffs; it sure as horsefeathers wasn't happening, before or after this trade.

[David]

would they've been matched up with toronto?

[davell]

would they've been matched up with toronto?

 

Lots of volatility between 6-8(with teams outside still having a chance too). No way to tell that yet.

[Ryne Ween]

would they've been matched up with toronto?

 

Boston as of now. Basically they likely would play Boston. And then Washington on Indy. I am not delusional about the Bulls. They are bad. But none of those teams is a prohibitive favorite against the Bulls. I believe they have a winning record against those teams so far this year.

[Ryne Ween]

would they've been matched up with toronto?

 

Lots of volatility between 6-8(with teams outside still having a chance too). No way to tell that yet.

 

Granted.

[David]

would they've been matched up with toronto?

 

Lots of volatility between 6-8(with teams outside still having a chance too). No way to tell that yet.

 

yeah i was just kind of making a joke since toronto can't beat us ever

[WrigleyField 22]

So the Bulls have like 10 guards, 2 wings, and 3 bigs right?

[davell]

What IS the lineup now?

 

C Lopez, Felicio

PF Portis, Lauvergne?, Mirotic

SF Butler, Zipser

SG Wade, Valentine, Morrow

PG MCW, Grant, Payne, Rondo......No horsefeathering clue

 

At least this move ought to give Portis and Valentine plenty of minutes? Not that's its a good thing. But we don't technically know its a bad thing, I guess.

[WrigleyField 22]

What IS the lineup now?

 

C Lopez, Felicio

PF Portis, Lauvergne?, Mirotic

SF Butler, Zipser

SG Wade, Valentine, Morrow

PG MCW, Grant, Payne, Rondo......No horsefeathering clue

 

At least this move ought to give Portis and Valentine plenty of minutes? Not that's its a good thing. But we don't technically know its a bad thing, I guess.

Um I would guess Payne is going to be higher on.the depth chart since we gave up our 4th and 6th rated MPG players for him.

 

ETA- I think they're just gonna have to run out 4 guard lineups (even though none of them can really shoot, which would be the point of a 4 guard lineup lol)

Edited February 23, 2017 by WrigleyField 22

[Splendid Splinter]

 

Even if you didn't want to blow it up and trade Jimmy, you have to agree that if the Bulls were going to trade Jimmy you would have rather it had been for lottery picks as opposed to boston's role players right?

 

I just dont know about these Bulls anymore....

So they were probably asking for Brown and some combination of Smart, Bradley and Crowder?

 

Take this with a grain of salt. I talked to my buddy who lives in Boston earlier about this. He has a friend in the Celtics organization (I have no clue what position exactly, but he told me that he's in the marketing dept) and supposedly the friend heard it was Crowder, 1 of Brown/Smart, 1 of Amir Johnson/Zeller (expiring contract), and '18 Nets pick was the asking price. Not sure if it was just for Butler or Bulls had to send something back to make the $$$ match up.

[Ryne Ween]

 

Even if you didn't want to blow it up and trade Jimmy, you have to agree that if the Bulls were going to trade Jimmy you would have rather it had been for lottery picks as opposed to boston's role players right?

 

I just dont know about these Bulls anymore....

So they were probably asking for Brown and some combination of Smart, Bradley and Crowder?

 

Take this with a grain of salt. I talked to my buddy who lives in Boston earlier about this. He has a friend in the Celtics organization (I have no clue what position exactly, but he told me that he's in the marketing dept) and supposedly the friend heard it was Crowder, 1 of Brown/Smart, 1 of Amir Johnson/Zeller (expiring contract), and '18 Nets pick was the asking price. Not sure if it was just for Butler or Bulls had to send something back to make the $$$ match up.

 

I dont want that deal if that was the deal. Our best bet is keeping butler and hoping Wade opts out to give us space add pieces next year. I top of the lottery pick doesn't do anything for a Butler-less Bulls who would not have a single asset of value or contributing player.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why would Wade opt out?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Why would Wade opt out?

 

self respect

[Sammy Sofa]

[bcl412]

I beast with Lauvergne in 2k so...there's that.

[davell]

That deal is on the low end of what I'd deem fair. If the Celts turned that down, I'm a bit surprised honestly.

 

The PC didn't really make it sound like Jimmy is safe. Draft time should be extremely interesting. And it sounds like we will see lots of Portis and Valentine moving forward this year.

 

Pax threw Thibs under the bus on the McDermott trade up and draft.

[bcl412]

That deal is on the low end of what I'd deem fair. If the Celts turned that down, I'm a bit surprised honestly.

 

The PC didn't really make it sound like Jimmy is safe. Draft time should be extremely interesting. And it sounds like we will see lots of Portis and Valentine moving forward this year.

 

Pax threw Thibs under the bus on the McDermott trade up and draft.

 

The rumor I read said the Celtics didn't want to do the deal because of Crowder. I like Crowder, would have enjoyed him on the Bulls, but not including him for Butler seems silly if that's what happened (I haven't really read rumor stuff today)

[davell]

That deal is on the low end of what I'd deem fair. If the Celts turned that down, I'm a bit surprised honestly.

 

The PC didn't really make it sound like Jimmy is safe. Draft time should be extremely interesting. And it sounds like we will see lots of Portis and Valentine moving forward this year.

 

Pax threw Thibs under the bus on the McDermott trade up and draft.

 

The rumor I read said the Celtics didn't want to do the deal because of Crowder. I like Crowder, would have enjoyed him on the Bulls, but not including him for Butler seems silly if that's what happened (I haven't really read rumor stuff today)

 

I actually can see why Boston doesn't want to move him. They've got him for 3/22 after this season. That's an insanely valuable contract to have on a competing team. Bradley only has 1/8.8 left. I'd definitely be wanting to move Bradley between the 2, if I'm the Celts. Crowder isn't a star, but he's pretty good. That contract though? What IS his value on that deal? Top 7-10 pick? That's my uneducated guess.

[bcl412]

I can see that. I guess I see Jimmy as at least a borderline top 10 player and that's tough to turn down but on the other hand they probably don't win a title with Jimmy. I think the Celtics need a star with Thomas or they become the Hawks and Jimmy could have been it.

[davell]

Just one game, but after averaging 6 and 3 in 13 minutes a game, Cauley-Stein goes for 29 and 10 in 35 minutes. The Kings won big at home against Denver. Their next 3 are Charlotte, Minnesota, and Brooklyn, all at home too.

 

It'd be funny as hell if losing Cousins is addition by subtraction. I'm sure they'll fold, but it'd be funny as horsefeathers if we somehow still got their pick.

[Andy]

Just one game, but after averaging 6 and 3 in 13 minutes a game, Cauley-Stein goes for 29 and 10 in 35 minutes. The Kings won big at home against Denver. Their next 3 are Charlotte, Minnesota, and Brooklyn, all at home too.

 

It'd be funny as hell if losing Cousins is addition by subtraction. I'm sure they'll fold, but it'd be funny as horsefeathers if we somehow still got their pick.

Cauley-Stein will mysteriously come down with a hamstring injury if that starts looking possible, I think.

[UMFan83]

Just one game, but after averaging 6 and 3 in 13 minutes a game, Cauley-Stein goes for 29 and 10 in 35 minutes. The Kings won big at home against Denver. Their next 3 are Charlotte, Minnesota, and Brooklyn, all at home too.

 

It'd be funny as hell if losing Cousins is addition by subtraction. I'm sure they'll fold, but it'd be funny as horsefeathers if we somehow still got their pick.

Cauley-Stein will mysteriously come down with a hamstring injury if that starts looking possible, I think.

 

Possibly. However with all the negativity surrounding that franchise, there might be some value to them making the playoffs even if the difference is between picking 10th or not having the pick. I'm sure they'd prefer to keep their pick and I'm sure that they had it in mind when deciding to trade Cousins now, but if the team responds and plays well, I don't necessarily think they will throw a wrench in that.

[davell]

The fun thing about the Kings trying to tank is at least everyone underneath them will be doing the same.

[davell]

Looking ahead to the draft, here are a few guesses at teams and possible packages for Jimmy

 

Celtics- 2017 Brooklyn pick, Bradley, Brown

 

Suns- 2017 pick, Warren, Bender

 

Sixers- Okafor, 2017 pick, Lakers 2017 pick if outside top 3

 

Nuggets- Mudiaye, Murray, 2017 pick

 

Portland has 3 1sts this draft, but not much else. Atlanta tried throwing a bunch of 1sts for Butler yesterday. If we can deal with Thibs, their 2017 pick, Dunn, and future picks?

 

I know the idea is 4 assets, but after seeing some of the rumored packages, maybe its not quite 4, unless the 4th is just some future pick of undetermined value.

[David]

so apparently anthony morrow is now shooting 29% from 3 instead of his usual like 43% because he decided to change his release to get his shot off quicker?

 

let's fix him the way the cubs fix pitchers