kenley jansen watch thread

[Clem Fandango]

Is a power lefty who posted a 3.8 KBB last year not a good option or something?

 

No, you're just shoehorning him into every thread in the transactions forum and it's kind of annoying.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Is a power lefty who posted a 3.8 KBB last year not a good option or something?

 

No, you're just shoehorning him into every thread in the transactions forum and it's kind of annoying.

Alright I'll stop annoying you

[Clem Fandango]

Is a power lefty who posted a 3.8 KBB last year not a good option or something?

 

No, you're just shoehorning him into every thread in the transactions forum and it's kind of annoying.

Alright I'll stop annoying you

 

Cool, thanks! That said, I'll echo what others have said in that the proposal you're offering seems to be too much. I like Wilson's peripherals, and I agree a lefty with that kind of velocity and walk rate would be handy in the bullpen, but his overall numbers are not sparkling and it shouldn't take that much to conceivably get him. If the Tigers are going into rebuild mode Soler is a good name to float around, but not for Justin Wilson. Wilson should be attainable for someone like Matt Sczcur, at best, IMO. He's not being highly sought after, and while Soler has lost a lot of value you can still dream big on his potential and that shouldn't be sacrificed for a middle reliever with so-so results.

[We Got The Whole 9]

 

No, you're just shoehorning him into every thread in the transactions forum and it's kind of annoying.

Alright I'll stop annoying you

 

Cool, thanks! That said, I'll echo what others have said in that the proposal you're offering seems to be too much. I like Wilson's peripherals, and I agree a lefty with that kind of velocity and walk rate would be handy in the bullpen, but his overall numbers are not sparkling and it shouldn't take that much to conceivably get him. If the Tigers are going into rebuild mode Soler is a good name to float around, but not for Justin Wilson. Wilson should be attainable for someone like Matt Sczcur, at best, IMO. He's not being highly sought after, and while Soler has lost a lot of value you can still dream big on his potential and that shouldn't be sacrificed for a middle reliever with so-so results.

 

I think context is important and Detroit's defense is/was bad . He's a GB + K specialist and would likely have his best numbers in terms of runs allowed by far with the Cubs. If we could get him for Szczur I would be absolutely shocked. Szczur feels like a guy who would net a B- prospect at best and I'm probably his biggest fan (on the boards I post on).

 

But yeah I'm really high on Wilson as a guy who could go to another level pitching with our D behind him.

[David]

Everyone is so hung up on the Wilson thing that they aren't even bringing up Holland's 88 mph fastball.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

jfc Logan, spoiler that horsefeathers. I was trying to eat

[davell]

Everyone is so hung up on the Wilson thing that they aren't even bringing up Holland's 88 mph fastball.

 

At this point and time, isn't that basically the expectation though? He's still building arm strength. The reports I read basically said the velo should come back in a few months.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Everyone is so hung up on the Wilson thing that they aren't even bringing up Holland's 88 mph fastball.

I think that will improve and he should at the least be up around 92-94 by spring. Plenty of teams are still pursuing him and some of those teams have heavy analytic-based FOs, who are willing to look past that red flag with the mindset that his velocity should return.

[Gilby]

TBH, I'd rather have Uehara or Zielger than Holland. Uehara still strikes out a ton of guys. Ziegler has a GB rate of 60-70% and we'd have the best defensive infield in the majors on the field for his appearances. I don't really want to deal with the 1st year post TJ surgery struggles from Holland.

 

I guess we could have both, but I'm assuming we do end up getting a starter that pushes Montgomery to the pen.

[Cubswin11]

TBH, I'd rather have Uehara or Zielger than Holland. Uehara still strikes out a ton of guys. Ziegler has a GB rate of 60-70% and we'd have the best defensive infield in the majors on the field for his appearances. I don't really want to deal with the 1st year post TJ surgery struggles from Holland.

 

I guess we could have both, but I'm assuming we do end up getting a starter that pushes Montgomery to the pen.

I like your ideas

[Cubswin11]

Everyone is so hung up on the Wilson thing that they aren't even bringing up Holland's 88 mph fastball.

Also the fact his slider is his wipeout pitch and who knows how much he is going to trust throwing that thing at max effort and/or how much he's lost on it as well.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

TBH, I'd rather have Uehara or Zielger than Holland. Uehara still strikes out a ton of guys. Ziegler has a GB rate of 60-70% and we'd have the best defensive infield in the majors on the field for his appearances. I don't really want to deal with the 1st year post TJ surgery struggles from Holland.

 

I guess we could have both, but I'm assuming we do end up getting a starter that pushes Montgomery to the pen.

 

 

Yeah, I'm on board with this. Zero interest in Holland.

[davell]

Jorge De La Rosa evidently is willing to pitch out of the pen as a multi inning guy.

[Cubswin11]

Jorge De La Rosa evidently is willing to pitch out of the pen as a multi inning guy.

That would intrigue me. Any combo of him Uehara, Blevins, Ziegler, Hudson would be fine by me if we don't get Jansen/Chapman.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think I was the first person to bring up Wilson weeks ago but Soler and Grimm for Wilson is just an impossibly bad trade. I mean holy smokes both of them individually have significantly more value than Wilson, the whole point is that Wilson is buy low.

 

Ziegler and Uehara are both fine, but there's also only so many roster spots out there(I'm similarly assuming Montgomery gets bumped from the rotation by an acquisition. If either or both are the best reliever the Cubs add then they screwed up, and that means they're probably guys that get added if a current reliever gets traded.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I think I was the first person to bring up Wilson weeks ago but Soler and Grimm for Wilson is just an impossibly bad trade. I mean holy smokes both of them individually have significantly more value than Wilson, the whole point is that Wilson is buy low.

 

Ziegler and Uehara are both fine, but there's also only so many roster spots out there(I'm similarly assuming Montgomery gets bumped from the rotation by an acquisition. If either or both are the best reliever the Cubs add then they screwed up, and that means they're probably guys that get added if a current reliever gets traded.

Perhaps I've over estimated Wilson's value but I doubt we could get him for Grimm alone. I understand he has another year of control but I still doubt it.

 

It's about adding another dynamic to the pen. We have the finesse lefties but I think a power guy would be big. There aren't many lefties that average 95. He's basically a LH Strop, which is awesome.

 

What would be your offer?

[Cubswin11]

I think I was the first person to bring up Wilson weeks ago but Soler and Grimm for Wilson is just an impossibly bad trade. I mean holy smokes both of them individually have significantly more value than Wilson, the whole point is that Wilson is buy low.

 

Ziegler and Uehara are both fine, but there's also only so many roster spots out there(I'm similarly assuming Montgomery gets bumped from the rotation by an acquisition. If either or both are the best reliever the Cubs add then they screwed up, and that means they're probably guys that get added if a current reliever gets traded.

Perhaps I've over estimated Wilson's value but I doubt we could get him for Grimm alone. I understand he has another year of control but I still doubt it.

 

It's about adding another dynamic to the pen. We have the finesse lefties but I think a power guy would be big. There aren't many lefties that average 95. He's basically a LH Strop, which is awesome.

 

What would be your offer?

It shouldn't take more than like Szczur, Donnie Dewees and a lottery ticket arm/low level guy. At least I wouldn't pay anymore than that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, someone like Szczur is the closest I'd come to using the MLB roster to try to acquire Wilson. Detroit is trying to cut salary, and for as much as his velocity entices, Wilson doesn't offer enough to be considered a bullpen mainstay. If he doesn't end up a Cub because of it, I'm not terribly concerned. SIgning Duensing probably shuts the door on any other LHRP acquisitions anyway(save for the slim possibility of Chapman).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

sure, the marlins, why not

 

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[Cubswin11]

sure, the marlins, why not

 

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Obviously not apples to apples, but if the medicals show he's healthy I wonder what we could get out of them for Rondon if they are all in on acquiring a "closer." Maybe they are just that enamored with Jansen and he's their guy and will spend whatever it takes but you'd think they'd be intrigued by Rondon if he checks out health wise/Theo can spin anything.

[Banedon]

sure, the marlins, why not

 

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The Cubs have reached the status now where players should be willing to go all Heyward and take less to play for us.....right?

[David]

sure, the marlins, why not

 

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The Cubs have reached the status now where players should be willing to go all Heyward and take less to play for us.....right?

 

Meh...the 108 year thing is gone. There's the whole "join a really good team in a fun city" aspect to it but I don't know if that plays as well. I know Theo and Jed made a point of how big of a deal the drought was to FA's, but who really knows how much that really meant numerically..maybe a mil or two AAV on a multi year deal.

[David]

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[Clem Fandango]

Are the Yankees going after Jansen AND Chapman, or are they just in on Jansen because they need a closer in general? Wouldn't put it past them to get both, but they should probably put some focus on that disaster of a rotation first.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Are the Yankees going after Jansen AND Chapman, or are they just in on Jansen because they need a closer in general? Wouldn't put it past them to get both, but they should probably put some focus on that disaster of a rotation first.

 

I am sure any team that is in on Chapman is also in on Jansen with no illusions that they will sign them both.