New Benny, and Other changes (Bulls offseason)

[Cubbie Swagger]

Why do you say he's almost certainly not going to be around longer than 2 years? Just health-wise?

 

I honestly think he's going to retire a Bull unless this team is a total mess. I could be wrong, but I just think that's where he's at emotionally. I don't really see him trying to jump on a championship bandwagon or anything, but we'll see.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, it's I-hope-to-God-the-Bulls-don't-resign-him-wise. He'll be 36, and the Bulls really don't need to get caught up in the usual game of former stars who don't when to retire, no matter how big the cap is. Guys like that almost inevitably want too much money when they can do far too little.

[Cubbie Swagger]

No, it's I-hope-to-God-the-Bulls-don't-resign-him-wise. He'll be 36, and the Bulls really don't need to get caught up in the usual game of former stars who don't when to retire, no matter how big the cap is. Guys like that almost inevitably want too much money when they can do far too little.

That could be totally true, I just think it's too early to make that call. We will see exactly how much he has left in the tank over these next 1-2 seasons.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, it's I-hope-to-God-the-Bulls-don't-resign-him-wise. He'll be 36, and the Bulls really don't need to get caught up in the usual game of former stars who don't when to retire, no matter how big the cap is. Guys like that almost inevitably want too much money when they can do far too little.

That could be totally true, I just think it's too early to make that call. We will see exactly how much he has left in the tank over these next 1-2 seasons.

 

I think he'll be useful barring another serious injury these two seasons; it's after that where he's likely to be about league average at best based on how he's been steadily trending for multiple seasons. Given that he's essentially a gun for hire and they're not likely to win it all over the next couple of years, I REALLY hope the Bulls don't foolishly choose to keep him around given that they have basically no connection with him.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Sammy Sofa

[Cubbie Swagger]

No, it's I-hope-to-God-the-Bulls-don't-resign-him-wise. He'll be 36, and the Bulls really don't need to get caught up in the usual game of former stars who don't when to retire, no matter how big the cap is. Guys like that almost inevitably want too much money when they can do far too little.

That could be totally true, I just think it's too early to make that call. We will see exactly how much he has left in the tank over these next 1-2 seasons.

 

I think he'll be useful barring another serious injury these two seasons; it's after that where hes likely to be about league average at best based on how he's been steadily trending for multiple seasons. Given that he's essentially a gun for hire and they're not like to do win it all over the next couple of years, I REALLY hope the Bulls don't foolishly choose to keep him around given that they have basically no connection with him.

Well, I definitely agree with you. I certainly don't want to see a repeat of the Kobe situation. I can't imagine us keeping Wade around as an old guy unless we're talking about a dream scenario where we lure Chris Paul and somehow become a contender and it turns into a "one more year" thing over and over like Duncan and Ginobli. In other words, a scenario where Wade was merely a role player.

[Derwood]

Why would Wade go out of his way to recruit players to Chicago when only kinda sorta wants to be here in the first place? If his relationship with Riley wasn't so messed up, he never would have left Miami

[Cubbie Swagger]

Why would Wade go out of his way to recruit players to Chicago when only kinda sorta wants to be here in the first place? If his relationship with Riley wasn't so messed up, he never would have left Miami

Go out of his way? It's not that much work to say to your friends (who you're already hanging out with), "hey, you should come play on my team, and we'll be better". I think Wade would rather be on a better team than a worse one. That is motivation enough.

 

Wade has been quoted in the past saying the Bulls are the only other team he would consider playing for. Obviously he grew up a fan, idolizing MJ. It's not like the Bulls are just some team.

[weis21]

if i can step in, it seems like everyone is basically on board with the following two ideas:

 

1) Wade may have a small to tiny influence in future FA signings

2) There is no downside of Wade in regards to future FA signings

[Cubbie Swagger]

if i can step in, it seems like everyone is basically on board with the following two ideas:

 

1) Wade may have [at least] a small to tiny influence in future FA signings

2) There is no downside of Wade in regards to future FA signings

There.

[weis21]

if i can step in, it seems like everyone is basically on board with the following two ideas:

 

1) Wade may have [at least] a small to tiny influence in future FA signings

2) There is no downside of Wade in regards to future FA signings

There.

may gives me an out to either greater or lesser influence

 

it seems like in all likelihood it won't be a HUGE difference maker. but it may be enough to perhaps sway someone of the fence. though, if things fall apart that could be in either direction.

 

dammit, now i've gone and interjected myself into this rhetorical mess.

[Cubbie Swagger]

if i can step in, it seems like everyone is basically on board with the following two ideas:

 

1) Wade may have [at least] a small to tiny influence in future FA signings

2) There is no downside of Wade in regards to future FA signings

There.

may gives me an out to either greater or lesser influence

 

it seems like in all likelihood it won't be a HUGE difference maker. but it may be enough to perhaps sway someone of the fence. though, if things fall apart that could be in either direction.

 

dammit, now i've gone and interjected myself into this rhetorical mess.

Perhaps the biggest difference maker will be how this season goes.

 

If it's a mess, then there is a basically zero chance of any notable players signing with us next summer. On the flip side, if we win 48 or 50 games and snag the #3 seed in the east, Wade has a good healthy year, etc... I don't see how you could argue that we aren't a legit destination.

 

Not to mention, I have a feeling GarPax is gonna try REALLY hard to pamper Wade and try to repair their image around the league. Doesn't that seem logical? Isn't that the right business move?

[Sammy Sofa]

Not to mention, I have a feeling GarPax is gonna try REALLY hard to pamper Wade and try to repair their image around the league.

 

I honestly have no idea what this even means.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Not to mention, I have a feeling GarPax is gonna try REALLY hard to pamper Wade and try to repair their image around the league.

 

I honestly have no idea what this even means.

You're doing it again.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Here, let me see if I can simplify this any further:

 

The Bulls' front office has a bad rep around the league. The story is that we supposedly are not loyal and do not treat our players very well. It makes free agents hesitant to sign with us.

 

Dwyane Wade is currently in a situation where he has left his previous organization for similar reasons. Dwyane Wade is highly respected by other NBA players. If we try really hard to pamper him, spoil him, be nice to him, be loyal to him, whatever you want to call it... he is going to turn around and gossip about it. He is going to tell other stars that the Bulls have treated him really well. It might help counteract some of the negative publicity we have received in the past. It might even help convince another star player to sign with us, who knows.

[David]

Here, let me see if I can simplify this any further:

 

The Bulls' front office has a bad rep around the league. The story is that we supposedly are not loyal and do not treat our players very well. It makes free agents hesitant to sign with us.

 

Dwyane Wade is currently in a situation where he has left his previous organization for similar reasons. Dwyane Wade is highly respected by other NBA players. If we try really hard to pamper him, spoil him, be nice to him, be loyal to him, whatever you want to call it... he is going to turn around and gossip about it. He is going to tell other stars that the Bulls have treated him really well. It might help counteract some of the negative publicity we have received in the past. It might even help convince another star player to sign with us, who knows.

 

it pains me that i agree with you this much

 

even though i think the perception that players don't want to come here is a bit overblown...a lot of circumstances that would've been tough to overcome for any team have kept us from getting the big guys we've gone after. but yeah, i think it would help. wade is one of those guys around the league.

[ChiCubsFan]

Agree with David

[Sammy Sofa]

Not to mention, I have a feeling GarPax is gonna try REALLY hard to pamper Wade and try to repair their image around the league.

 

I honestly have no idea what this even means.

You're doing it again.

 

Doing what?

 

I have no clue what the hell you mean by "pampering him," and your next post didn't do anything to clear that up.

[Sammy Sofa]

Here, let me see if I can simplify this any further:

 

The Bulls' front office has a bad rep around the league. The story is that we supposedly are not loyal and do not treat our players very well. It makes free agents hesitant to sign with us.

 

Dwyane Wade is currently in a situation where he has left his previous organization for similar reasons. Dwyane Wade is highly respected by other NBA players. If we try really hard to pamper him, spoil him, be nice to him, be loyal to him, whatever you want to call it... he is going to turn around and gossip about it. He is going to tell other stars that the Bulls have treated him really well. It might help counteract some of the negative publicity we have received in the past. It might even help convince another star player to sign with us, who knows.

 

it pains me that i agree with you this much

 

even though i think the perception that players don't want to come here is a bit overblown...a lot of circumstances that would've been tough to overcome for any team have kept us from getting the big guys we've gone after. but yeah, i think it would help. wade is one of those guys around the league.

 

I agree that actually landing a name for once looks good, but the bold part seems like nonsense. Whet the hell are they supposed to do to accomplish this?

[WrigleyField 22]

Oh that perception is most certainly overblown. Still, it can't hurt to continue to sign legit vets, even if they're not the top free agents in their class.

[David]

Here, let me see if I can simplify this any further:

 

The Bulls' front office has a bad rep around the league. The story is that we supposedly are not loyal and do not treat our players very well. It makes free agents hesitant to sign with us.

 

Dwyane Wade is currently in a situation where he has left his previous organization for similar reasons. Dwyane Wade is highly respected by other NBA players. If we try really hard to pamper him, spoil him, be nice to him, be loyal to him, whatever you want to call it... he is going to turn around and gossip about it. He is going to tell other stars that the Bulls have treated him really well. It might help counteract some of the negative publicity we have received in the past. It might even help convince another star player to sign with us, who knows.

 

it pains me that i agree with you this much

 

even though i think the perception that players don't want to come here is a bit overblown...a lot of circumstances that would've been tough to overcome for any team have kept us from getting the big guys we've gone after. but yeah, i think it would help. wade is one of those guys around the league.

 

I agree that actually landing a name for once looks good, but the bold part seems like nonsense. Whet the hell are they supposed to do to accomplish this?

 

well yeah..i can't imagine what they'd do that they don't already do for any top tier players. i just hope it ends well and not in some nasty situation to perpetuate the (unfounded) narrative that we don't treat our guys well. reinsdorf is actually loyal to a fault. it's crazy how off base that whole storyline is.

[davell]

 

I honestly have no idea what this even means.

You're doing it again.

 

Doing what?

 

I have no clue what the hell you mean by "pampering him," and your next post didn't do anything to clear that up.

 

If old ass Dwyane makes a mess, we've got the Depends waiting to go.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Here, let me see if I can simplify this any further:

 

The Bulls' front office has a bad rep around the league. The story is that we supposedly are not loyal and do not treat our players very well. It makes free agents hesitant to sign with us.

 

Dwyane Wade is currently in a situation where he has left his previous organization for similar reasons. Dwyane Wade is highly respected by other NBA players. If we try really hard to pamper him, spoil him, be nice to him, be loyal to him, whatever you want to call it... he is going to turn around and gossip about it. He is going to tell other stars that the Bulls have treated him really well. It might help counteract some of the negative publicity we have received in the past. It might even help convince another star player to sign with us, who knows.

 

it pains me that i agree with you this much

 

even though i think the perception that players don't want to come here is a bit overblown...a lot of circumstances that would've been tough to overcome for any team have kept us from getting the big guys we've gone after. but yeah, i think it would help. wade is one of those guys around the league.

 

I agree that actually landing a name for once looks good, but the bold part seems like nonsense. Whet the hell are they supposed to do to accomplish this?

I like how you're asking me how to be nice to a person, as if you don't even know where to start.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

it pains me that i agree with you this much

 

even though i think the perception that players don't want to come here is a bit overblown...a lot of circumstances that would've been tough to overcome for any team have kept us from getting the big guys we've gone after. but yeah, i think it would help. wade is one of those guys around the league.

 

I agree that actually landing a name for once looks good, but the bold part seems like nonsense. Whet the hell are they supposed to do to accomplish this?

I like how you're asking me how to be nice to a person, as if you don't even know where to start.

 

No, I'm not; I'm asking how a professional sports organization is supposed to do something as ridiculous as "pamper" a player so everyone notices without looking like a bunch of pathetic, overcompensating goons. As others have pointed out, the narratives of the Bulls mistreating their players seems pretty overblown, so I'm confident they can simply act like normal human beings and have a pretty standard professional and personal relationship with Wade.

[Cubbie Swagger]

well yeah..i can't imagine what they'd do that they don't already do for any top tier players.

We need to not do what Pat Riley just did, for one.

[Sammy Sofa]

well yeah..i can't imagine what they'd do that they don't already do for any top tier players.

We need to not do what Pat Riley just did, for one.

 

OK? The Bulls DON'T have a legitimate history of being at odds with their players. Noah's departure was probably the "worst" thing along those lines, and that was simply making a break from a player whose contract was up.