New Benny, and Other changes (Bulls offseason)

[Derwood]

If Westbrook goes anywhere besides LA, NY or Miami I'd be shocked

[Cubbie Swagger]

If Westbrook goes anywhere besides LA, NY or Miami I'd be shocked

That seems like a pretty sound prediction.

[David]

Between what they're gonna think of what Riley did to Wade and how horrific they are going to be, nobody is going to Miami. Feel free to pull that up if I'm wrong.

[UMFan83]

If Westbrook goes anywhere besides LA, NY or Miami I'd be shocked

 

I still think he gets traded to Boston this offseason

[UMFan83]

Lol Wade had a press conference before his basketball camp and it sounds like he has some regrets already.

 

 

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[Cubbie Swagger]

Yeah, I mean, Friedell's tweet pretty much sums it up. But, we'll take it.

 

Once it became clear that the beef between him and the Heat was very real and very serious, I knew he was coming to the Bulls. It was simply the best option for his ego. Going to the Nuggets or the Bucks would have been kinda weird. Pulling the, "I'm going home" thing was the only move he really had.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

[Tim]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Rondo was slow. But he's a point guard whose best attribute is being able to push the ball and he's been surrounded by old, slow guys. What is his role going to be in the half court offense? How will this team generate the spacing to allow him to penetrate?

[Cubbie Swagger]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Rondo was slow. But he's a point guard whose best attribute is being able to push the ball and he's been surrounded by old, slow guys. What is his role going to be in the half court offense? How will this team generate the spacing to allow him to penetrate?

I assume Jimmy and Niko are going to have to spend a lot of time on the perimeter.

[David]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Rondo was slow. But he's a point guard whose best attribute is being able to push the ball and he's been surrounded by old, slow guys. What is his role going to be in the half court offense? How will this team generate the spacing to allow him to penetrate?

 

Aside from Rondo himself and Wade, who are you referring to as an old guy? Taj?

[Cubbie Swagger]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Rondo was slow. But he's a point guard whose best attribute is being able to push the ball and he's been surrounded by old, slow guys. What is his role going to be in the half court offense? How will this team generate the spacing to allow him to penetrate?

 

Aside from Rondo himself and Wade, who are you referring to as an old guy? Taj?

Wade is the oldest player on the Bulls' roster at 34. Nobody else is older than 31.

[ChiCubsFan]

Also, Rondo doesn't look very old or slow. Someone was saying on the radio that the Kings led the NBA in pace last season.

 

I don't remember anyone saying that Rondo was slow. But he's a point guard whose best attribute is being able to push the ball and he's been surrounded by old, slow guys. What is his role going to be in the half court offense? How will this team generate the spacing to allow him to penetrate?

 

Surrounded by old, slow guys? The Bulls aren't incredibly young or athletic or anything, but he still has Butler, McDermott, Valentine, Lopez, Grant, Mirotic, and Crazy Eyes who are all athletic enough to run the court. I think the Bulls will thrive in transition this year and be one of the top 5 or so teams in pace.

 

And they have enough shooters to generate some spacing. It's not like they're gonna play Rondo, Wade, Jimmy, Taj, Lopez together a whole lot (I don't think). I'm guessing you'll see one or both of McDermott and Mirotic in the game pretty much at all times. And although Jimmy isn't a consistently good 3 pt shooter, he's good enough where you can't just leave him wide open out there. And Rondo has been pretty good from beyond the arc the last couple years (last year in particular). The Bulls were the 5th best in the league in 3pt % last year and only lost Rose, Gasol, Noah, and a banged up MDJ.

[Tim]

Totally unfounded rumor about Wade wanting to force a trade to Cleveland come December 15th.

 

http://en.yibada.com/articles/139381/20160708/nba-trade-rumors-dwyane-wade-to-cavaliers-kevin-love-to-bulls-could-happen-by-dec-15-per-report.htm

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, what an FU to get Rose's one friend after they dumped him on the Knicks. That's cold.

[Sammy Sofa]

Someone explain to me the idea that Wade would help the Bulls draw in big FA's. He's old and clearly only going to be here a couple years at the most, so why would big names look at him as a reason to come to Chicago when EVERYONE has horsefeathers you-money?

[ChiCubsFan]

The thought of a deal centered around Love for Wade crossed my mind. But I doubt it's some predetermined plan. I just thought if Wade and Butler didn't mesh and Love continued to be underused(?)/underappreciated in Cleveland something could naturally develop. I'd be all for it. Maybe Love, Butler and 2017FA can form a big 3

[Sammy Sofa]

The thought of a deal centered around Love for Wade crossed my mind. But I doubt it's some predetermined plan. I just thought if Wade and Butler didn't mesh and Love continued to be underused(?)/underappreciated in Cleveland something could naturally develop. I'd be all for it. Maybe Love, Butler and 2017FA can form a big 3

 

Agreed. Wade turning into Love would be pretty great.

[davell]

Someone explain to me the idea that Wade would help the Bulls draw in big FA's. He's old and clearly only going to be here a couple years at the most, so why would big names look at him as a reason to come to Chicago when EVERYONE has [expletive] you-money?

 

He can still recruit. Hearing how great the city is, how good it is to have the backing of the FO......It just sounds better coming from a bigtime player, than it does from anyone else. He's one of the most well liked and respected players around. Plus, it takes away the fact none of the big guys choose Chicago.

 

He IS older, it MAY not help. But its worth a shot. Just need to keep him happy and healthy now to see.

[Derwood]

So we're all in agreement that New Benny is still the best move of the off season, yes?

[Sammy Sofa]

Someone explain to me the idea that Wade would help the Bulls draw in big FA's. He's old and clearly only going to be here a couple years at the most, so why would big names look at him as a reason to come to Chicago when EVERYONE has [expletive] you-money?

 

He can still recruit. Hearing how great the city is, how good it is to have the backing of the FO......It just sounds better coming from a bigtime player, than it does from anyone else. He's one of the most well liked and respected players around. Plus, it takes away the fact none of the big guys choose Chicago.

 

He IS older, it MAY not help. But its worth a shot. Just need to keep him happy and healthy now to see.

 

This just seems like a stretch; even though Wade is still a big name, everyone knows he's at the end of his career, and recruiting seems to work best when the player recruited knows they're going to be (at least in theory), y'know, actually playing with the guy recruiting them for a while.

 

It would be one thing if it's Wade and the Bulls are one of a few teams with money to spend; but since everyone has big money to spend, why would Wade's recruiting have that much weight since he's going to be gone so quickly and there's so many better, younger guys out there doing the same? If anything, I have more hope in Butler talking to guys trying to get them to come to Chicago. Then Wade is basically the veteran who gets hired to hang around a car dealership and sells cars just by waving at people.

[davell]

Someone explain to me the idea that Wade would help the Bulls draw in big FA's. He's old and clearly only going to be here a couple years at the most, so why would big names look at him as a reason to come to Chicago when EVERYONE has [expletive] you-money?

 

He can still recruit. Hearing how great the city is, how good it is to have the backing of the FO......It just sounds better coming from a bigtime player, than it does from anyone else. He's one of the most well liked and respected players around. Plus, it takes away the fact none of the big guys choose Chicago.

 

He IS older, it MAY not help. But its worth a shot. Just need to keep him happy and healthy now to see.

 

This just seems like a stretch; even though Wade is still a big name, everyone knows he's at the end of his career, and recruiting seems to work best when the player recruited knows they're going to be (at least in theory), y'know, actually playing with the guy recruiting them for a while.

 

It would be one thing if it's Wade and the Bulls are one of a few teams with money to spend; but since everyone has big money to spend, why would Wade's recruiting have that much weight since he's going to be gone so quickly and there's so many better, younger guys out there doing the same? If anything, I have more hope in Butler talking to guys trying to get them to come to Chicago. Then Wade is basically the veteran who gets hired to hang around a car dealership and sells cars just by waving at people.

 

I mean, he's buddies with CP3. Realistically, I could see him helping there. Blake Griffin? Not so much, unless its by getting CP3 on board. Then letting him convince Blake. Wade lends credibility. That's all it comes down to, really. He's not going to be able to snap his fingers and bring guys in. But he can help. Not with all, but he's got connections and he'll use whatever he's got.

 

Put it this way- I'd feel much more comfortable with Wade in a one on one meeting with a FA than I would the best the FO can muster up otherwise.

 

I also think that a FA would put more emphasis on the beginning of the contract, which Wade will be there for. Then Wade can sell them on the city, the FO being committed to winning past him, etc......

 

Like I said, it may not help. Our FO may not even be able to keep him happy. But the signing does give some hope for what COULD happen in the near future.

 

But I totally get the other side of the coin, either way......Its at least going to be very interesting.

Edited July 9, 2016 by davell

[ChiCubsFan]

It's not like Wade is trying to recruit some FA to the Nuggets with nobody else on the team. He'd be recruiting a big FA to a big market with an all star player in his prime on a great contract and hopefully 2-3 other nice pieces (McD, Mirotic, Valentine, Grant, Lopez, Portis). And it's not like Wade is Kobe yet. He's still a productive and efficient player.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seems like wishful thinking and a lot of straw-grasping more than anything else.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I honestly don't think the age factor means as much to other players as it does to fans and executives. Wade is one of the most respected and well-liked guys in the league, he has rings, and he can clearly still play. He could very well have 3 more solid years in him for all we know.

 

Since chemistry is so important in basketball, personal relationships are critical. I guarantee you Chris Paul is not gonna be like, "I dunno man, you're kinda... old".

 

Also, not all cities are equal. Yes, every team has money now, but not everybody wants to play in OKC (clearly). A guy I knew from Germany told me that the Bulls are probably the most popular team there, and that everyone knows their logo, just because everyone still thinks of MJ and the 90's dynasty. Of course, our front office doesn't have the best reputation, but I think Wade is a big help on that front. If we treat him right, he's going to tell people about it, and people will listen.

[Sammy Sofa]

Even if players inexplicably ignore he's clearly not the player he used to be and that he's been steadily declining for 4 seasons now, again, he's almost certainly not on the team for more than 2 years. There's a ton of options out there for big name players who want to make big money, and the Bulls really don't stick out from the pack. If anything, I think Butler really stepping up and someone like Mirotic breaking out would have a lot more influence on getting someone big to sign than a short-termer novelty like Wade.