2016 Trade Deadline

[toonsterwu]

I wouldn't give up Happ for two rentals. The A's package worth exploring is Reddick/Doolittle once he's back due to Doolittle's extra years. Of course I prefer Gonzalez/Logan, but yada yada....

 

So the Blue Jays...[expletive]....I feel like there could be something there with disappointments Stroman and Pompey, two talents I'd love on this roster and/or in the org, but it does not seem like a deadline kind of deal. Their lineup is older so being able to offer young bats for Stroman helps, he's another guy I think would endear himself to fans in Chicago almost immediately, but why would they deal even a disappointing cheap young pitcher? I love the makeup - intensity and work ethic, love the athleticism, and love that he's insane at getting groundballs. I want to think there could be something there as they head towards an offseason with lineup turnover coming.

 

I wouldn't either. Actually, I might be amenable to moving Happ for rentals, but I'm not sure I want to move Happ for some sort of Hill/Reddick package.

 

That said, I do think, with the paucity of pitching, it might take a talent of Happ's ilk to perhaps land Hill.

 

It seems like the same names have been cycled all year, which sort of makes me wonder if there's a chance that some sort of big deal is possible that hasn't been mentioned. Dunno why I keep wondering if Jerad Eickhoff could potentially be had - I doubt it (too many years of control to move now ...), but the Phillies have been better than expected and moving him at this deadline could potentially net a huge package. I also wonder about Gio Gonzalez a little bit ... although I doubt it. Still ... Tanner Roark has been great, and if Joe Ross comes back strong ... I wonder if they would be open to moving Gio to address needs without having to give up young talent.

 

Actually, for all the Rays guys that are possible, I still think I might prefer Smyly 2nd to Archer. For some reason, Smyly's name doesn't seem to get bantered about that much, but then again, I haven't followed things all that closely this summer.

[Derwood]

Bucholz's meth face makes Lackey look like a handsome guy

[philosophizer75]

Yeah, bucholz looks like his teeth could fall out at any time.

[UMFan83]

Keep reading articles about how much Cashman wants Kyle Schwarber and seems desperate to land him as he believes he would be a 50 HR guy at Yankees Stadium as a lefty.

 

I, like some here, would have a really hard time letting Schwarbs go. But everyone has their price. What would it take for the Yankees to offer for you to be willing to part with him?

 

Would you trade him for Miller AND Chapman? How about Miller, Chapman and Aaron Judge? Or maybe a top pitching prospect instead of Judge?

[shnsajax]

I also remain a Drew Hutchison fan, if the Jays are as ready to be done with him as their treatment of him implies.

 

I read this as Drew Henson for some reason.

 

 

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[David]

Keep reading articles about how much Cashman wants Kyle Schwarber and seems desperate to land him as he believes he would be a 50 HR guy at Yankees Stadium as a lefty.

 

I, like some here, would have a really hard time letting Schwarbs go. But everyone has their price. What would it take for the Yankees to offer for you to be willing to part with him?

 

Would you trade him for Miller AND Chapman? How about Miller, Chapman and Aaron Judge? Or maybe a top pitching prospect instead of Judge?

 

nope, nope, nope.

 

i listed a bunch of guys before who i'd easily trade schwarber for. not one of them was a yankee, IIRC.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trading Schwarber to the Yankees requires a third team because there is no lead piece good enough to get him. You're talking like, Archer and Miller to the Cubs for Schwarber and miscellany to get close, that sorta thing.

 

But this is more likely the accurate answer:

 

 

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[Liam Neeson]

Some Monday morning laughs courtesy of Yahoo Sports Comments Section

[spoil]

As a lifelong Yankees fan, I can honestly say I find the sheer arrogance of the Cubs, their fans and those connected to both to be both laughable and pitiful. For a franchse which has indeed won nothing in nearly 110 years, I also find it pathetic.

You have to win a championship more often than every century or so before you have the right to adopt such pretenses.

 

First: I guarantee you, the Yankees WILL NOT trade Miller even-up for a future DH with a blown apart knee, no matter what he did in the MINOR leagues. And while one can quote any number of predictions as per the silly WAR stat--it only works if a precise set of requirements and subjectives are followed--which geeks seem to so value, in the end, a "projection" is only a guess, educated or otherwise.

And if you really think Miller to be worth only one more hypothetical win than a league average reliever, then you need new algorithms.

 

Second: If Cubs people think their team, with all those AL pitching refugees, is going to win as presently constructed, I've got some Jersey marshland I'd like to discuss selling to you. It's one thing to beat up on all those lousy NL teams like Atlanta, Philly, Cincy, Milwaukee, San Diego, Colorado, Arizona and a couple of others and quite another to take on the ones you'll see in the playoffs.

Or have you forgotten last year, already?

 

Third: Does Theo plan to petition MLB to bat 11 players a game, while everyone else uses that old school 9? Cause you can hoard all the prospects projected to hit 50 homers--sure thing he said sarcastically--at Yankee Stadium or anywhere, but you can only carry 25 players at a time and run just nine out there every day. Oh, but in the NL you still play by those antiquated 19th century rules where you make pitchers hit.

Exciting.

 

So dream big, Cubs fans, executives and writers. And hope that when Cashman and the Yankees finally do pull the trigger and send Beltran, Chapman and perhaps even Miller packing, they DO NOT send them to San Francisco or Washington, teams willing to pay the price to win a championship THIS year, rather than desperately hang onto a future designated hitter to MAYBE play again in a league that doesn't allow the usage of one.

And grab a comfortable seat, Cub fans, right next to Yankees fans. Then we can all watch the Giants or some other NL team play the AL team in the 2016 WS.

[/spoil]

[Agony and Ivy]

You don't have to believe me but my neighbor played with Schwarber at Indiana for 3 years. Hung out with him this weekend in Chicago and Schwarber was told he's going nowhere.

[David]

You don't have to believe me but my neighbor played with Schwarber at Indiana for 3 years. Hung out with him this weekend in Chicago and Schwarber was told he's going nowhere.

 

You don't have to tell me that for me to believe he's going nowhere anyway (hell, even the media has reported that he was told that, I believe). At least, not in anything that has been discussed.

[raw]

Some Monday morning laughs courtesy of Yahoo Sports Comments Section

[spoil]

As a lifelong Yankees fan, I can honestly say I find the sheer arrogance of the Cubs, their fans and those connected to both to be both laughable and pitiful. For a franchse which has indeed won nothing in nearly 110 years, I also find it pathetic.

You have to win a championship more often than every century or so before you have the right to adopt such pretenses.

 

First: I guarantee you, the Yankees WILL NOT trade Miller even-up for a future DH with a blown apart knee, no matter what he did in the MINOR leagues. And while one can quote any number of predictions as per the silly WAR stat--it only works if a precise set of requirements and subjectives are followed--which geeks seem to so value, in the end, a "projection" is only a guess, educated or otherwise.

And if you really think Miller to be worth only one more hypothetical win than a league average reliever, then you need new algorithms.

 

Second: If Cubs people think their team, with all those AL pitching refugees, is going to win as presently constructed, I've got some Jersey marshland I'd like to discuss selling to you. It's one thing to beat up on all those lousy NL teams like Atlanta, Philly, Cincy, Milwaukee, San Diego, Colorado, Arizona and a couple of others and quite another to take on the ones you'll see in the playoffs.

Or have you forgotten last year, already?

 

Third: Does Theo plan to petition MLB to bat 11 players a game, while everyone else uses that old school 9? Cause you can hoard all the prospects projected to hit 50 homers--sure thing he said sarcastically--at Yankee Stadium or anywhere, but you can only carry 25 players at a time and run just nine out there every day. Oh, but in the NL you still play by those antiquated 19th century rules where you make pitchers hit.

Exciting.

 

So dream big, Cubs fans, executives and writers. And hope that when Cashman and the Yankees finally do pull the trigger and send Beltran, Chapman and perhaps even Miller packing, they DO NOT send them to San Francisco or Washington, teams willing to pay the price to win a championship THIS year, rather than desperately hang onto a future designated hitter to MAYBE play again in a league that doesn't allow the usage of one.

And grab a comfortable seat, Cub fans, right next to Yankees fans. Then we can all watch the Giants or some other NL team play the AL team in the 2016 WS.

[/spoil]

 

So much wrong in 1 comment. I bet if you find his facebook page, it's a bunch of "#bluelivesmatter" stuff.

[davell]

Theo has said publicly that they love Kyle, he's rehabbing his ass off as a Chicago Cub and he's going to hit a big home run early next season as a Chicago Cub.

[UMFan83]

Some Monday morning laughs courtesy of Yahoo Sports Comments Section

[spoil]

As a lifelong Yankees fan, I can honestly say I find the sheer arrogance of the Cubs, their fans and those connected to both to be both laughable and pitiful. For a franchse which has indeed won nothing in nearly 110 years, I also find it pathetic.

You have to win a championship more often than every century or so before you have the right to adopt such pretenses.

 

First: I guarantee you, the Yankees WILL NOT trade Miller even-up for a future DH with a blown apart knee, no matter what he did in the MINOR leagues. And while one can quote any number of predictions as per the silly WAR stat--it only works if a precise set of requirements and subjectives are followed--which geeks seem to so value, in the end, a "projection" is only a guess, educated or otherwise.

And if you really think Miller to be worth only one more hypothetical win than a league average reliever, then you need new algorithms.

 

Second: If Cubs people think their team, with all those AL pitching refugees, is going to win as presently constructed, I've got some Jersey marshland I'd like to discuss selling to you. It's one thing to beat up on all those lousy NL teams like Atlanta, Philly, Cincy, Milwaukee, San Diego, Colorado, Arizona and a couple of others and quite another to take on the ones you'll see in the playoffs.

Or have you forgotten last year, already?

 

Third: Does Theo plan to petition MLB to bat 11 players a game, while everyone else uses that old school 9? Cause you can hoard all the prospects projected to hit 50 homers--sure thing he said sarcastically--at Yankee Stadium or anywhere, but you can only carry 25 players at a time and run just nine out there every day. Oh, but in the NL you still play by those antiquated 19th century rules where you make pitchers hit.

Exciting.

 

So dream big, Cubs fans, executives and writers. And hope that when Cashman and the Yankees finally do pull the trigger and send Beltran, Chapman and perhaps even Miller packing, they DO NOT send them to San Francisco or Washington, teams willing to pay the price to win a championship THIS year, rather than desperately hang onto a future designated hitter to MAYBE play again in a league that doesn't allow the usage of one.

And grab a comfortable seat, Cub fans, right next to Yankees fans. Then we can all watch the Giants or some other NL team play the AL team in the 2016 WS.

[/spoil]

 

It's hilarious. Cubs fans rightly think its ridiculous to trade a guy with several years of cheap control who would be on pace for 44 HR over 162 games as a rookie for a 31 yo reliever with 1.5 years left who can impact a season for 80 innings a year. Yankees fans for some reason think it's ridiculous because...why? Because he tore his ACL? If he doesn't tear his ACL there wouldn't even be a discussion because no one would even think to throw out a Schwarber for Miller trade. Now its still extremely ridiculous but because of the supposed risk of coming back from the injury, it is on the very fringes of a suggestible discussion (while still being insanely ridiculous).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to be more realistic, what does a trade for Miller look like? Their interest in Vogelbach has come up more than once and makes a lot of sense(other than Greg Bird being another version of Vogelbach, only with a severe shoulder injury). They're the Yankees so any other pieces are probably going to need to be close to MLB ready. Does Almora and Vogelbach match up? The Yankees have no high minors CF hope, their OF is olllld and Ellsbury isn't a great CF defender anymore. Miller, while a reliever, is currently an elite of elites reliever and he's under control for 2.5 years. That feels like close to the right amount of 'both teams' fans aren't happy' for it to be possible.

[David]

Some Monday morning laughs courtesy of Yahoo Sports Comments Section

[spoil]

As a lifelong Yankees fan, I can honestly say I find the sheer arrogance of the Cubs, their fans and those connected to both to be both laughable and pitiful. For a franchse which has indeed won nothing in nearly 110 years, I also find it pathetic.

You have to win a championship more often than every century or so before you have the right to adopt such pretenses.

 

First: I guarantee you, the Yankees WILL NOT trade Miller even-up for a future DH with a blown apart knee, no matter what he did in the MINOR leagues. And while one can quote any number of predictions as per the silly WAR stat--it only works if a precise set of requirements and subjectives are followed--which geeks seem to so value, in the end, a "projection" is only a guess, educated or otherwise.

And if you really think Miller to be worth only one more hypothetical win than a league average reliever, then you need new algorithms.

 

Second: If Cubs people think their team, with all those AL pitching refugees, is going to win as presently constructed, I've got some Jersey marshland I'd like to discuss selling to you. It's one thing to beat up on all those lousy NL teams like Atlanta, Philly, Cincy, Milwaukee, San Diego, Colorado, Arizona and a couple of others and quite another to take on the ones you'll see in the playoffs.

Or have you forgotten last year, already?

 

Third: Does Theo plan to petition MLB to bat 11 players a game, while everyone else uses that old school 9? Cause you can hoard all the prospects projected to hit 50 homers--sure thing he said sarcastically--at Yankee Stadium or anywhere, but you can only carry 25 players at a time and run just nine out there every day. Oh, but in the NL you still play by those antiquated 19th century rules where you make pitchers hit.

Exciting.

 

So dream big, Cubs fans, executives and writers. And hope that when Cashman and the Yankees finally do pull the trigger and send Beltran, Chapman and perhaps even Miller packing, they DO NOT send them to San Francisco or Washington, teams willing to pay the price to win a championship THIS year, rather than desperately hang onto a future designated hitter to MAYBE play again in a league that doesn't allow the usage of one.

And grab a comfortable seat, Cub fans, right next to Yankees fans. Then we can all watch the Giants or some other NL team play the AL team in the 2016 WS.

[/spoil]

 

It's hilarious. Cubs fans rightly think its ridiculous to trade a guy with several years of cheap control who would be on pace for 44 HR over 162 games as a rookie for a 31 yo reliever with 1.5 years left who can impact a season for 80 innings a year. Yankees fans for some reason think it's ridiculous because...why? Because he tore his ACL? If he doesn't tear his ACL there wouldn't even be a discussion because no one would even think to throw out a Schwarber for Miller trade. Now its still extremely ridiculous but because of the supposed risk of coming back from the injury, it is on the very fringes of a suggestible discussion (while still being insanely ridiculous).

 

Basically because everyone saw him fall on his fat belly on national TV in the playoffs and now the whole world is convinced he's the worst outfielder ever to stand in a major league outfield and is completely useless to the Cubs.

[shnsajax]

Yep!

 

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[UMFan83]

But to be more realistic, what does a trade for Miller look like? Their interest in Vogelbach has come up more than once and makes a lot of sense(other than Greg Bird being another version of Vogelbach, only with a severe shoulder injury). They're the Yankees so any other pieces are probably going to need to be close to MLB ready. Does Almora and Vogelbach match up? The Yankees have no high minors CF hope, their OF is olllld and Ellsbury isn't a great CF defender anymore. Miller, while a reliever, is currently an elite of elites reliever and he's under control for 2.5 years. That feels like close to the right amount of 'both teams' fans aren't happy' for it to be possible.

 

Maybe but also have to factor in that the Giants and Nats are also looking for LH relief help. My guess is that plus the Yankees trying to leverage the 'we're the yankees and we don't sell' nonsense will result in whoever gets Miller to overpay by quite a bit to get him. Theo is too smart for that, thus my guess is that we're not going to get him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yep!

 

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Now this is delicious.

[Sammy Sofa]

his fat belly

 

But does he have rhymes galime and rhymes galilla?

[davell]

But to be more realistic, what does a trade for Miller look like? Their interest in Vogelbach has come up more than once and makes a lot of sense(other than Greg Bird being another version of Vogelbach, only with a severe shoulder injury). They're the Yankees so any other pieces are probably going to need to be close to MLB ready. Does Almora and Vogelbach match up? The Yankees have no high minors CF hope, their OF is olllld and Ellsbury isn't a great CF defender anymore. Miller, while a reliever, is currently an elite of elites reliever and he's under control for 2.5 years. That feels like close to the right amount of 'both teams' fans aren't happy' for it to be possible.

 

I'd say Soler, Vogelbach, and Candelario. I honestly think we're expecting Almora to be our CF next season.

[raw]

But to be more realistic, what does a trade for Miller look like? Their interest in Vogelbach has come up more than once and makes a lot of sense(other than Greg Bird being another version of Vogelbach, only with a severe shoulder injury). They're the Yankees so any other pieces are probably going to need to be close to MLB ready. Does Almora and Vogelbach match up? The Yankees have no high minors CF hope, their OF is olllld and Ellsbury isn't a great CF defender anymore. Miller, while a reliever, is currently an elite of elites reliever and he's under control for 2.5 years. That feels like close to the right amount of 'both teams' fans aren't happy' for it to be possible.

 

I think you have to give up a package resembling that of one it takes to get a good starter at the deadline. The fact that Miller isn't as valuable as a SP because he doesn't start is balanced out by him being a truly elite RP with control. I think things get complicated in that this is the Yankees. Not necessarily a need for a prospect-laden package or a salary dump of a good player to save money. They'd probably want ML ready talent or close to it. I feel like Soler, Vogelbach, Underwood and maybe a lottery ticket would get it done if they throw in a pitching prospect. But that's probably too much for the Cubs, unless you consider the fact that those guys are expendable to a team like the Cubs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to be more realistic, what does a trade for Miller look like? Their interest in Vogelbach has come up more than once and makes a lot of sense(other than Greg Bird being another version of Vogelbach, only with a severe shoulder injury). They're the Yankees so any other pieces are probably going to need to be close to MLB ready. Does Almora and Vogelbach match up? The Yankees have no high minors CF hope, their OF is olllld and Ellsbury isn't a great CF defender anymore. Miller, while a reliever, is currently an elite of elites reliever and he's under control for 2.5 years. That feels like close to the right amount of 'both teams' fans aren't happy' for it to be possible.

 

I'd say Soler, Vogelbach, and Candelario. I honestly think we're expecting Almora to be our CF next season.

 

Difficult for me to see a team, Cubs or not, giving up that type of value for Miller.

 

Maybe but also have to factor in that the Giants and Nats are also looking for LH relief help. My guess is that plus the Yankees trying to leverage the 'we're the yankees and we don't sell' nonsense will result in whoever gets Miller to overpay by quite a bit to get him. Theo is too smart for that, thus my guess is that we're not going to get him.

 

There's also a fair bit of supply. Miller, Doolittle, Smith, Abad, etc. The Nats could put something pretty good together since they have some solid MLB quality depth, I'm very skeptical of the Giants ability to do that.

[davell]

Giants beat writer Hank Schulman has said they've been told they don't match up for Miller already.

[raw]

FWIW, I'd give up Vogelbach (and probably a little more) for Chapman in a heartbeat.

[Clem Fandango]

The only Yankee player I'd consider moving Schwarber for is a Luis Severino that didn't turn into a pumpkin this year, but he did so there's no one in that entire system worthy of a package, as has been stated.

 

If we can swing Miller or Chapman (Miller, please) for a deal around Vogelbach, though, that'd be wonderfulrifical.