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[imb]

it's truly remarkable sometimes how awful a billion dollars can look on the pitch

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Chelsea have a lot of things to worry about right now but tossing in Tuchel creating goalkeeper uncertainty by trying Kepa for the 21st time is really something.

[stitchface]

it is so funny to me that there are like 5 european superclubs that are consistently well run and the rest of them just point a money gun at everything that moves and fire their manager every 2 years because the only way you can tame a locker room like that is with types that alienate half the team in 18 months

 

 

which are well fun?

 

Bayern . . . I'm struggling after that. Madrid? Not really - they can just afford their mistakes. Liverpool? City is like Madrid. Arsenal right now maybe - spurs had a good summer.

 

I mean, if you eliminate the term super club, I think you can find quite a few well run clubs . . .

 

City, Liverpool, Bayern, it seems like Real Madrid and Barca take turns every few years. Arsenal is on the right track I'd say, and Spurs is probably more in that Atletico/Dortmund tier where they can't quite financially hang with the biggest but they still use money to stay near the top of their league. This is not very scientific, and more a way to laugh at the likes of Chelsea, Man U, and Barca than anything.

 

 

Barca went insane went Neymar left but at least on the sporting side, seem to be on way back. Lewandowski is brilliant for them. Madrid has made some terrible signings but survive them because they are managed well financially. Consistently well-run seems to be Bayern. Liverpool recently. I have to give City credit for this summer - got themselves a difference maker and let go of extraneous players.

[stitchface]

Gio's back! Two assists!

[wvcbxl]

Chelsea have a lot of things to worry about right now but tossing in Tuchel creating goalkeeper uncertainty by trying Kepa for the 21st time is really something.

 

Tuchel was sacked after the game.

[Rex Buckingham]

Chelsea have a lot of things to worry about right now but tossing in Tuchel creating goalkeeper uncertainty by trying Kepa for the 21st time is really something.

 

Tuchel was sacked after the game.

 

Assuming that will be good news for Pulisic, because Tuchel sure wasn't going to have him in the lineup unless absolutely forced.

[sneakypower]

Scott Parker and his £1650 blazer are available

[soccer10k]

I can’t believe they fired him so quickly and yet I can believe it because it’s Chelsea and that’s what they do. Last manager to last 3 full seasons at Chelsea was Mourinho the first time he was there.

[stitchface]

I can’t believe they fired him so quickly and yet I can believe it because it’s Chelsea and that’s what they do. Last manager to last 3 full seasons at Chelsea was Mourinho the first time he was there.

 

While I was surprised, it sounds like Boehly didn't like him and I think it's a good move.

[stitchface]

Tedesco also out. Marsch smirks.

[imb]

I can’t believe they fired him so quickly and yet I can believe it because it’s Chelsea and that’s what they do. Last manager to last 3 full seasons at Chelsea was Mourinho the first time he was there.

 

While I was surprised, it sounds like Boehly didn't like him and I think it's a good move.

 

yeah i mean, let's see. poor results last 50 matches, team is getting overrun in european comps, tuchel lost the locker room and he's playing players out of position, and cost the team $100m because of how he (not all his fault) handled the Lukaku situation. You have a new ownership group who he has a falling out with, just like he did at dortmund and PSG. Now he's checking out mentally, might as well pull the plug, especially if you think your target is available.

 

When chelsea hired Tuchel I remember thinking wow, how is a guy with this resume still available? The first comment I read was from someone who said "he'll win games early and then burn out, piss ownership off and be gone." Looks about right.

[stitchface]

I can’t believe they fired him so quickly and yet I can believe it because it’s Chelsea and that’s what they do. Last manager to last 3 full seasons at Chelsea was Mourinho the first time he was there.

 

While I was surprised, it sounds like Boehly didn't like him and I think it's a good move.

 

yeah i mean, let's see. poor results last 50 matches, team is getting overrun in european comps, tuchel lost the locker room and he's playing players out of position, and cost the team $100m because of how he (not all his fault) handled the Lukaku situation. You have a new ownership group who he has a falling out with, just like he did at dortmund and PSG. Now he's checking out mentally, might as well pull the plug, especially if you think your target is available.

 

When chelsea hired Tuchel I remember thinking wow, how is a guy with this resume still available? The first comment I read was from someone who said "he'll win games early and then burn out, piss ownership off and be gone." Looks about right.

 

 

would have been a hell of a lot better to get their guy in may but . . .

 

another well run club is Ajax. If Man U gives Ten Hag time and money, I think they will be relevant again soon.

[SpongeWorthy]

I can’t believe they fired him so quickly and yet I can believe it because it’s Chelsea and that’s what they do. Last manager to last 3 full seasons at Chelsea was Mourinho the first time he was there.

 

While I was surprised, it sounds like Boehly didn't like him and I think it's a good move.

 

yeah i mean, let's see. poor results last 50 matches, team is getting overrun in european comps, tuchel lost the locker room and he's playing players out of position, and cost the team $100m because of how he (not all his fault) handled the Lukaku situation. You have a new ownership group who he has a falling out with, just like he did at dortmund and PSG. Now he's checking out mentally, might as well pull the plug, especially if you think your target is available.

 

When chelsea hired Tuchel I remember thinking wow, how is a guy with this resume still available? The first comment I read was from someone who said "he'll win games early and then burn out, piss ownership off and be gone." Looks about right.

 

i know next to nothing but it seems like the day a chelsea manager wins a meaningful trophy is the day they start losing their job

[squally1313]

Liverpool down 3-0 at half and it really should be 5.

[UMFan83]

Liverpool down 3-0 at half and it really should be 5.

 

wtf is going on with them? They've been so bad except the one match that I'm like disappointed that my lowly Everton could only produce a scoreless draw against them.

[imb]

 

While I was surprised, it sounds like Boehly didn't like him and I think it's a good move.

 

yeah i mean, let's see. poor results last 50 matches, team is getting overrun in european comps, tuchel lost the locker room and he's playing players out of position, and cost the team $100m because of how he (not all his fault) handled the Lukaku situation. You have a new ownership group who he has a falling out with, just like he did at dortmund and PSG. Now he's checking out mentally, might as well pull the plug, especially if you think your target is available.

 

When chelsea hired Tuchel I remember thinking wow, how is a guy with this resume still available? The first comment I read was from someone who said "he'll win games early and then burn out, piss ownership off and be gone." Looks about right.

 

 

would have been a hell of a lot better to get their guy in may but . . .

 

another well run club is Ajax. If Man U gives Ten Hag time and money, I think they will be relevant again soon.

 

i think so too, they were patient with oli without the results outside of one hot stretch down the end of the 20-21 season (iirc) no reason not to be patient with a guy who actually knows how to coach

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Liverpool down 3-0 at half and it really should be 5.

 

wtf is going on with them? They've been so bad except the one match that I'm like disappointed that my lowly Everton could only produce a scoreless draw against them.

 

Van Dijk is old enough to be mortal and his top 2 CB partners are both hurt, and they're playing Milner way too much(8 GA in 290 minutes on the field, 3 GA in 300 minutes off the field) because half their midfield is hurt too.

[stitchface]

Liverpool down 3-0 at half and it really should be 5.

 

wtf is going on with them? They've been so bad except the one match that I'm like disappointed that my lowly Everton could only produce a scoreless draw against them.

 

Van Dijk is old enough to be mortal and his top 2 CB partners are both hurt, and they're playing Milner way too much(8 GA in 290 minutes on the field, 3 GA in 300 minutes off the field) because half their midfield is hurt too.

 

Liverpool's game is very high energy and reliant on Van Dijk to snuff out the counters. You have to wonder how tired they are both physically and mentally after coming up empty of meaningful trophies last year. Plus, it's a world cup year. You have to wonder if both City and Liverpool's minds are elsewhere and maybe waiting until spring to turn it up.

 

In other news, Lewandowski is going to score 80.

[imb]

yeah VVD is 31, had an ACL and has played a billion games the last 5 years.

[wolf stansson]

What does a Graham Potter mean for CP? Does he use a lot of wingers?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What does a Graham Potter mean for CP? Does he use a lot of wingers?

 

Whoscored seems to think that the main constant so far this year is 2 up top, but it seems pretty amorphous since the closest thing they have to a striker is Welbeck and they list guys with similar builds as Pulisic(Mac Allister, Groß, etc) at various positions in the formation.

[stitchface]

What does a Graham Potter mean for CP? Does he use a lot of wingers?

 

Whoscored seems to think that the main constant so far this year is 2 up top, but it seems pretty amorphous since the closest thing they have to a striker is Welbeck and they list guys with similar builds as Pulisic(Mac Allister, Groß, etc) at various positions in the formation.

 

 

hopefully he has the sense to play his players and not his formation. I have to think going from Brighton to Chelsea changes your approach pretty dramatically.

[stitchface]

some quality minutes by Republic to get through the first half. hard to see them not giving up a penalty at some point though with all the reckless challenges.

[imb]

Euro soccer fandom and journalism is just so crazy to my american eyes and ears. I guess on some level i can understand fans being upset with the sudden nature of the firing and it being a guy who led an average looking team to a sudden turnaround and a deserved champions league trophy but I am struggling to come up with any reason why you wouldn't fire tuchel. Give me one reason outside of the champions league win to justify keeping him?

 

i was watching some commentary today and people were melting down about Boehly like he personally fired tuchel because he would accept a ronaldo transfer. It's just stupid. These commentators were like, "sure, potter makes more sense for chelsea from a development standpoint, and tuchel had by all accounts checked out and pissed off all the players, but you can't just fire him before matchday 10!" well, why not? Have you watched a single chelsea match in the last 12 months?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Euro soccer fandom and journalism is just so crazy to my american eyes and ears. I guess on some level i can understand fans being upset with the sudden nature of the firing and it being a guy who led an average looking team to a sudden turnaround and a deserved champions league trophy but I am struggling to come up with any reason why you wouldn't fire tuchel. Give me one reason outside of the champions league win to justify keeping him?

 

i was watching some commentary today and people were melting down about Boehly like he personally fired tuchel because he would accept a ronaldo transfer. It's just stupid. These commentators were like, "sure, potter makes more sense for chelsea from a development standpoint, and tuchel had by all accounts checked out and pissed off all the players, but you can't just fire him before matchday 10!" well, why not? Have you watched a single chelsea match in the last 12 months?

 

What's funny to me is this is true and yet I also think Euro soccer teams are in general wayyy too quick to fire managers. I think part of it is this built up cultural expectation and part of it is semi-rational because of the financial implications of relegation or missing European qualification, but the American equivalent would be like 3 NFL coaches losing their jobs after Week 7 every year. Everyone has worst case scenario brain all the time.