Qualified Offers coming out

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Thus far I've seen:

 

Gordon

Heyward

Lackey

Daniel Murphy

Ian Kennedy

Marco Estrada

 

Teams are pretty much daring any player who isn't terrible to take one at this point.

[Cubswin11]

I think this is the year we finally see at least one player take one, Estrada, Kennedy and Lackey all seem like real possibilities

[Cubswin11]

We offered it to Fowler, unsurprisingly. Mariners offered it to Iwakuma as well

[Guest]

I can't believe they offered Kennedy.

[davell]

I think Lackey is safe in declining. I hope the Nats don't put one on Span, in case he becomes a target for us.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think this is the year we finally see at least one player take one, Estrada, Kennedy and Lackey all seem like real possibilities

 

I can't imagine Lackey couldn't get more than that on a 1 year deal, or close to AAV on a 2.

[Guest]

I don't think it's all that likely that Lackey accepts the QO, but part of me wonders if he'll wish he had. He doesn't have high end upside and he's 37, so the teams that want to give him 2/25 and give up a pick probably don't have him as #1 or even #3 on their list of SP candidates. Could be a situation that plays out similarly to Ervin Santana.

[davell]

No QO on Span.

[Clem Fandango]

No QO on Span.

 

 

Not that he's my first choice, but it's nice to know he won't cost anything if they decide to go after him.

[SRQCub]

Chris Davis and Justin Upton extended QO's.

[Guest]

i can't be the only one who literally does not care at all if the FAs we sign have a QO attached

[Guest]

i can't be the only one who literally does not care at all if the FAs we sign have a QO attached

 

It's not a reason not to sign someone, but it matters. It's a lot harder to keep the player development pipeline full if you're regularly forfeiting a first round pick and the bonus pool that goes with it.

[Cubswin11]

i can't be the only one who literally does not care at all if the FAs we sign have a QO attached

I don't really care at all. For a guy like Price, Greinke, Heyward, etc type FA it shouldn't even be in question. A guy like Estrada, Lackey, Kennedy, etc I think it absolutely should have some weight in the decision of signing a guy on that level.

[davell]

I'd be OK with Lackey on a 2 year deal and giving up the 1st, if he wasn't a complete [expletive]. Not that we'd do it, but if we gave Kennedy, Estrada, Gallardo, Anderson(health) a deal and didn't also sign a big name with them-I'd be pissed. Those guys aren't worth it.

 

At any rate, I'd RATHER sign Kazmir than Shark(I think) due to the pick attached to Shark, as an example. But I wouldn't care much. Especially since we can recoup the value in IFA's this year anyway.

[XZero771679666304]

i can't be the only one who literally does not care at all if the FAs we sign have a QO attached

I don't really care at all. For a guy like Price, Greinke, Heyward, etc type FA it shouldn't even be in question. A guy like Estrada, Lackey, Kennedy, etc I think it absolutely should have some weight in the decision of signing a guy on that level.

 

Yeah, like you say, it shouldn't even be a consideration when pursuing top-tier guys, especially since we wouldn't be picking anywhere near the top this year. But for lower tier guys, it should creep into the picture as a factor. It would barely even cross my mind that we gave up our first rounder in the even a Price/Heyward were signed, but for a guy like Lackey or Span, it would seem like a little bit of a sacrifice. That's not to say I wouldn't still do it, but it should become at least a point of consideration as the quality of the signee decreases.

 

Saying "I don't give a [expletive] about losing picks for signing guys" as a blanket statement seems kind of dumb.

[Guest]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

[Guest]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

 

What if we call them the Gerrit Coles or Colby Rasmuses of the world, or the Adam Wainwrights or Carlos Quentins.

[XZero771679666304]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

 

What if we call them the Gerrit Coles or Colby Rasmuses of the world, or the Adam Wainwrights or Carlos Quentins.

 

Exactly. The Rob Zastryznys aren't always Rob Zastryznys. Now the miss rate is pretty high and we absolutely shouldn't let fear of losing picks keep us from pursuing good-great players, but these picks aren't throwaways, either. They have value. There's a lot of grey area between giving up a first rounder for a good-great player and a "decent" player.

[Bear Cub]

Price, Span and Samardzija make for a nice off season for me.

[Cubswin11]

Full list of players who received QO's

 

Brett Anderson, SP (Dodgers)

Wei-Yin Chen, SP (Orioles)

Chris Davis, 1B (Orioles)

Ian Desmond, SS (Nationals)

Marco Estrada, SP (Blue Jays)

Dexter Fowler, OF (Cubs)

Yovani Gallardo, SP (Rangers)

Alex Gordon, OF (Royals)

Zack Greinke, SP (Dodgers)

Jason Heyward, OF (Cardinals)

Hisashi Iwakuma, SP (Mariners)

Howie Kendrick, 2B (Dodgers)

Ian Kennedy, SP (Padres)

John Lackey, SP (Cardinals)

Daniel Murphy, 2B/3B (Mets)

Colby Rasmus, OF (Astros)

Jeff Samardzija, SP (White Sox)

Justin Upton, OF (Padres)

Matt Wieters, C (Orioles)

Jordan Zimmermann, SP (Nationals)

[sneakypower]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

 

What if we call them the Gerrit Coles or Colby Rasmuses of the world, or the Adam Wainwrights or Carlos Quentins.

Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz come to mind

 

do we have any idea where Schwarber would have slipped to if we hadn't taken him? it was widely seen as an overdraft at the time

[Tedward]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

 

What if we call them the Gerrit Coles or Colby Rasmuses of the world, or the Adam Wainwrights or Carlos Quentins.

Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz come to mind

 

do we have any idea where Schwarber would have slipped to if we hadn't taken him? it was widely seen as an overdraft at the time

 

Can't remember where I read it, but pretty sure COL would have popped him at 8th overall if he got by us

[davell]

There was some speculation Colorado may have taken him at 8. After that, I think it was dependent on which team outside the top 10 was fine with just taking a bat that may not have had a true position. I think the absolute bottom for him was falling to 19 and Cincy. But most mocks had him in the 11-15 range, if I recall.

[Clem Fandango]

i'm saying i do not care at all that we will miss out on the rob zastryznys (or the draft money) of the world as a result of signing any decent big league player

 

What if we call them the Gerrit Coles or Colby Rasmuses of the world, or the Adam Wainwrights or Carlos Quentins.

Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz come to mind

 

Here's a fun list of notables from just the first compensation round from 2005-2012 (arbitrary, I know):

 

[spoil]2005

Luke Hochevar

Clay Bucholz

Jed Lowrie

 

2006

Chris Coghlan

Joba Chamberlain

 

2007

Todd Frazier

Travis d'Arnaud

Neil Ramirez

Josh Donaldson

 

2008

Jake Odorizzi

Logan Forsythe

 

2009

Garret Richards

James Paxton

Brad Boxberger

Tyler Skaggs

Chris Owings

 

2010

Noah Syndergaard

Aaron Sanchez

Taijuan Walker

Nick Castellanos

 

2011

Henry Owens

Jackie Bradley, Jr.

Jace Peterson

 

2012

Kevin Plawecki

Stephen Piscotty

Joey Gallo

Lance McCullers

Pierce Johnson

Eddie Butler[/spoil]

[jersey cubs fan]

i can't be the only one who literally does not care at all if the FAs we sign have a QO attached

 

It's not a reason not to sign someone, but it matters. It's a lot harder to keep the player development pipeline full if you're regularly forfeiting a first round pick and the bonus pool that goes with it.

Sure, if you do it regularly but that isn't the discussion right now.