If Soler is dealt

[Cubswin11]

Is everyone mortified of Dylan Bundy at this point?

What would the cost even be to acquire him? I still think he could be really good like him, but I could see the price be all over the place for him and probably prefer Gausman to him of Orioles guys given Gausmen is a definite contributor next year and fits our window better.

[Tryptamine]

As of right now the Orioles rotation is Tillman,Ubaldo,Gausman,Miguel Gonzalez and which ever non top prospect they choose for a 5th starter. I feel like it's incredibly safe to say, they aren't dealing Gausman when they themselves are looking to add 2 starters.

[Guest]

As of right now the Orioles rotation is Tillman,Ubaldo,Gausman,Miguel Gonzalez and which ever non top prospect they choose for a 5th starter. I feel like it's incredibly safe to say, they aren't dealing Gausman when they themselves are looking to add 2 starters.

 

To be fair, Gausman has been their 3rd or 4th best starter for a very long time and he still only made 17 starts. They clearly don't value him quite like most other teams do. Their lack of depth does mean they aren't going to give him away for guys that are several years away though.

[Tryptamine]

Baez or Soler for Gausman - who says no first?

 

I think the Orioles say no. They'd basically be punting 2016 as there is no way they could possibly add 3 quality starting pitchers and address 1B with the 40M they have to spend. Also, 3B,SS,2B are all filled with young talents or long contracts. Schoop is on the verge of a pretty big break out.

[Cubswin11]

Baez or Soler for Gausman - who says no first?

I'd say no as the Cubs. Knowing they want rotation help and presumably aren't as high on Gausman as others what about Wood, McKinney and Jeimer for Gausman? Get a rotation piece back, a good OF prospect and potential 1B down the road?

[Tryptamine]

Baez or Soler for Gausman - who says no first?

I'd say no as the Cubs. Knowing they want rotation help and presumably aren't as high on Gausman as others what about Wood, McKinney and Jeimer for Gausman? Get a rotation piece back, a good OF prospect and potential 1B down the road?

 

A potential ace for a guy who may not even be offered a contract, a decent prospect, but nowhere near top 100 in Jeimer and a good prospect without a ton of ceiling in McKinney. There's no way.

[Cubswin11]

Baez or Soler for Gausman - who says no first?

I'd say no as the Cubs. Knowing they want rotation help and presumably aren't as high on Gausman as others what about Wood, McKinney and Jeimer for Gausman? Get a rotation piece back, a good OF prospect and potential 1B down the road?

 

A potential ace for a guy who may not even be offered a contract, a decent prospect, but nowhere near top 100 in Jeimer and a good prospect without a ton of ceiling in McKinney. There's no way.

I don't think the Orioles view him as a potential ace given how they've handled him. But yeah that trade is probably a little light.

[Guest]

Calling Gausman a potential ace is a bit like calling Soler and Baez potential MVPs in that it's not really a fair thing to say, but no that package is not going to work. Wood has no trade value, and Baltimore wants to get better for 2016, not appreciably worse.

 

Something built around Gausman + Matusz for Soler could potentially work for me, but I don't think there's a really elegant match to be found without a 3rd team.

[davell]

I really like the idea of netting a nice bullpen piece in the same deal as the young SP.

[Guest]

I really like the idea of netting a nice bullpen piece in the same deal as the young SP.

 

It's also a good way to get the new Austin Jackson, since FA aren't going to fall over themselves to get 300ish PA behind Soler, Schwarber, Coghlan, Fowler/Heyward. My current favorite version of this is Teheran + Maybin, I wonder if the Braves would rather be free of Grilli's 4 million too.

[rawaction]

I really like the idea of netting a nice bullpen piece in the same deal as the young SP.

 

It's also a good way to get the new Austin Jackson, since FA aren't going to fall over themselves to get 300ish PA behind Soler, Schwarber, Coghlan, Fowler/Heyward. My current favorite version of this is Teheran + Maybin, I wonder if the Braves would rather be free of Grilli's 4 million too.

 

I've thought about a Teheran and Maybin package. Another thing I've thought is about is if the Braves trade Teheran somewhere else and get a couple bats, they could use a starter. I think a pure salary swap of Maybin and Hammel would work out pretty perfectly, assuming the Cubs got a couple starters elsewhere and the Braves got a couple of bats elsewhere. Braves could use the innings, if they get rid of Teheran (and could trade Hammel at the deadline). And Maybin would be a full season's Austin Jackson.

[StylesClash]

I want Matt Moore, he'll rebound next year. Whether or not, Soler will do it? IDK.

 

I'd also see what Washington wants for Strasburg in a separate trade with Castro being a piece of it.

 

Strasburg has a career WHIP below 1.1 and ended the season on a high note. We would need a lot more than an inconsistent middle infielder who cant take a walk.

 

The more intriguing scenario is giving up Baez for one year of Strasburg (as well as the comp picks if he werent brought back). One year of dominant power pitching, and two high end compensation picks, is worth the boom or bust toolsy Baez in my mind.

I like Strasburg for Baez a lot. I don't think the Nats would though. It's too much of a risk for Rizzo who may well be on the hot seat this year.

 

Who do the Padres have not name Cashner? Their GM loves to make risky gambles.

 

Because of the Harper altercation, and high salary, does Papelbon have negative trade value? I wouldn't be opposed to taking on Papelbon's contract if it sealed the deal for a Baez/Strasburg trade.

 

Of course Papelbon would have to agree to accept setting up for Rondon. But I like the idea of adding a postseason proven reliever to a young bullpen. Plus it provides insurance incase Rondon gets hurt or underachieves.

[StylesClash]

Baez for one year of any pitcher is a complete non-starter for me. Especially Strasburg, where you've got zero chance of an extension and he's an even higher risk to miss time with injury.

 

Three of the past four years Strasburg has pitched 150 innings. And his highest WHIP during this four year stretch was 1.15. Combine that with the fact Strasburg leaving after 2016 would yield two high end compensation picks and I'm comfortable dealing away a physically gifted middle infielder who's approach at the plate leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Personally I don't see how one year of an ace (with tolerable durability), plus two quality comp picks isn't worth even considering for a boom or bust toolsy hitter. Plus dealing away Baez doesn't leave a hole open on the roster, since Castro or La Stella would be able to take his spot at second base.

[Tryptamine]

Can we stop trying to give up Baez for 1 year of an oft injured pitcher. Come 2017 we're either left with a draft pick or paying out 200+M for a guy who can't stay healthy. It's just an absolutely horrible use of resources.

[StylesClash]

Can we stop trying to give up Baez for 1 year of an oft injured pitcher. Come 2017 we're either left with a draft pick or paying out 200+M for a guy who can't stay healthy. It's just an absolutely horrible use of resources.

 

Two of Strasburg's past three seasons he had a more than acceptable innings pitched total. Plus the goal with Strasburg shouldn't necessarily be 200+ innings pitched. It's to get him to October.

 

The Cubs don't need 200 innings from Strasburg to make the playoffs. I do think though that with Lester turning 32 and Arrieta blowing by his single season innings pitched total that it would behoove Theo and Jed to acquire another pitcher that come October is capable of going head to head with anyone in LA or NY. Strasburg is that guy.

[davell]

You only get one pick, not two. Bringing up Strasburg's innings isn't a positive. Papelbon doesn't need to be anywhere near this team. Just no. All the way around.

[StylesClash]

You only get one pick, not two. Bringing up Strasburg's innings isn't a positive. Papelbon doesn't need to be anywhere near this team. Just no. All the way around.

 

So with a bullpen full of guys with minimal postseason experience you don't like the idea of acquiring one of the best clutch relievers in recent memory? And it's not as if Papelbon spends his time drinking beer and eating fried chicken during games, which is something one of our pitchers can't say. He gets hot when he sees players not give max effort.

 

With everyone getting all hot and bothered over a show of emotion, which I'm sure happens several times a year all across the league (just not on television), it's possible he has negative trade value. So I certainly am not against buying low on an excellent postseason reliever (who's only signed for one more year).

 

And my main point for Strasburg is that while his regular season innings pitched history is just tolerable at best, having one more potential ace for October is the key. Plus dealing Baez doesn't create a hole on the roster. Castro and La Stella should atleast be competent at Second Base.

[Guest]

You only get one pick, not two. Bringing up Strasburg's innings isn't a positive. Papelbon doesn't need to be anywhere near this team. Just no. All the way around.

 

So with a bullpen full of guys with minimal postseason experience you don't like the idea of acquiring one of the best clutch relievers in recent memory? And it's not as if Papelbon spends his time drinking beer and eating fried chicken during games, which is something one of our pitchers can't say. He gets hot when he sees players not give max effort.

 

With everyone getting all hot and bothered over a show of emotion, which I'm sure happens several times a year all across the league (just not on television), it's possible he has negative trade value. So I certainly am not against buying low on an excellent postseason reliever (who's only signed for one more year).

 

And my main point for Strasburg is that while his regular season innings pitched history is just tolerable at best, having one more potential ace for October is the key. Plus dealing Baez doesn't create a hole on the roster. Castro and La Stella should atleast be competent at Second Base.

Wasn't the pen pretty much outstanding this postseason? Why is getting someone with "postseason experience" worth so much as to bring in a really expensive jerk? Plus, he is getting older, wasn't that dominant this year, and shows signs of his performance collapsing.

[StylesClash]

You only get one pick, not two. Bringing up Strasburg's innings isn't a positive. Papelbon doesn't need to be anywhere near this team. Just no. All the way around.

 

So with a bullpen full of guys with minimal postseason experience you don't like the idea of acquiring one of the best clutch relievers in recent memory? And it's not as if Papelbon spends his time drinking beer and eating fried chicken during games, which is something one of our pitchers can't say. He gets hot when he sees players not give max effort.

 

With everyone getting all hot and bothered over a show of emotion, which I'm sure happens several times a year all across the league (just not on television), it's possible he has negative trade value. So I certainly am not against buying low on an excellent postseason reliever (who's only signed for one more year).

 

And my main point for Strasburg is that while his regular season innings pitched history is just tolerable at best, having one more potential ace for October is the key. Plus dealing Baez doesn't create a hole on the roster. Castro and La Stella should atleast be competent at Second Base.

Wasn't the pen pretty much outstanding this postseason? Why is getting someone with "postseason experience" worth so much as to bring in a really expensive jerk? Plus, he is getting older, wasn't that dominant this year, and shows signs of his performance collapsing.

 

 

My main point with bringing up Papelbon is Washington, because of the bad publicity he gained near the end of the season, likely wants to move his contract. So if eating a good chunk of it allowed for the acquisition of a starting pitcher with tolerable regular season durability, and legit ace ability, I wouldn't be opposed to doing it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Fried chicken = bad but choking teammate is tolerable?

[StylesClash]

Fried chicken = bad but choking teammate is tolerable?

 

Fried chicken, beer and video games show a lack of dedication to maintaining quality physical condition. Atleast the choking part shows frustration over an underachieving season and a lack of hustle. Obviously it's still not the right thing to do. But atleast there's a reason behind it that's somewhat understandable. There's nothing admirable about making 10+ million a year and not doing what you can during the season to stay in top shape.

[jersey cubs fan]

Fried chicken = bad but choking teammate is tolerable?

 

Fried chicken, beer and video games show a lack of dedication to maintaining quality physical condition. Atleast the choking part shows frustration over an underachieving season and a lack of hustle. Obviously it's still not the right thing to do. But atleast there's a reason behind it that's somewhat understandable. There's nothing admirable about making 10+ million a year and not doing what you can during the season to stay in top shape.

 

So you are under the impression that no baseball player should drink any beer or eat any fried chicken or play any video games during the season?

[fromthestretch]

Fried chicken = bad but choking teammate is tolerable?

 

Fried chicken, beer and video games show a lack of dedication to maintaining quality physical condition. Atleast the choking part shows frustration over an underachieving season and a lack of hustle. Obviously it's still not the right thing to do. But atleast there's a reason behind it that's somewhat understandable. There's nothing admirable about making 10+ million a year and not doing what you can during the season to stay in top shape.

 

The reason behind it is that he's an insufferable prick, who has managed to wear out his welcome pretty much everywhere he's been. A lot of teams steered clear of him at the trade deadline for a reason, and the entire baseball world saw why when he put his hands on the throat of the best hitter in the league.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Fried chicken = bad but choking teammate is tolerable?

 

Fried chicken, beer and video games show a lack of dedication to maintaining quality physical condition. Atleast the choking part shows frustration over an underachieving season and a lack of hustle.

 

[KingCubsFan]

You only get one pick, not two. Bringing up Strasburg's innings isn't a positive. Papelbon doesn't need to be anywhere near this team. Just no. All the way around.

 

So with a bullpen full of guys with minimal postseason experience you don't like the idea of acquiring one of the best clutch relievers in recent memory? And it's not as if Papelbon spends his time drinking beer and eating fried chicken during games, which is something one of our pitchers can't say. He gets hot when he sees players not give max effort.

 

With everyone getting all hot and bothered over a show of emotion, which I'm sure happens several times a year all across the league (just not on television), it's possible he has negative trade value. So I certainly am not against buying low on an excellent postseason reliever (who's only signed for one more year).

 

And my main point for Strasburg is that while his regular season innings pitched history is just tolerable at best, having one more potential ace for October is the key. Plus dealing Baez doesn't create a hole on the roster. Castro and La Stella should atleast be competent at Second Base.

Wasn't the pen pretty much outstanding this postseason? Why is getting someone with "postseason experience" worth so much as to bring in a really expensive jerk? Plus, he is getting older, wasn't that dominant this year, and shows signs of his performance collapsing.

 

 

My main point with bringing up Papelbon is Washington, because of the bad publicity he gained near the end of the season, likely wants to move his contract. So if eating a good chunk of it allowed for the acquisition of a starting pitcher with tolerable regular season durability, and legit ace ability, I wouldn't be opposed to doing it.

If taking Papelbon's contract is a condition to getting Strasburg, and the Cubs really wanted Strasburg, I'd hope that the Cubs would just immediately turn around and cut Papelbon. There's no way I'd want him on this team.