Front Office Thread

[Brian707]

Double post

[RammyFanny]

 

We weren't the best team in the division this year, and it wasn't close. I wouldn't take us in 2016 or 2017 against the field. So again I ask: Is the future *that* amazing?

 

 

I know this post is two months old now but come on. This isn't some great thought of genius here. Most people know you don't take any one team "against the field" in any sport. It's almost like you think you are "this great mind among the hairy dicked idiots" and throw out these little quips to somehow prove your point. Carry on, this is the first time reading this thread so sorry from bringing up old stuff.

*fixed

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

We weren't the best team in the division this year, and it wasn't close. I wouldn't take us in 2016 or 2017 against the field. So again I ask: Is the future *that* amazing?

 

 

I know this post is two months old now but come on. This isn't some great thought of genius here. Most people know you don't take any one team "against the field" in any sport. It's almost like you think you are "this great mind among the idiots" and throw out these little quips to somehow prove your point. Carry on, this is the first time reading this thread so sorry from bringing up old stuff.

 

I like to think of it more as refocusing the discussion. Even if someone disagrees with me on the specifics, I would infinitely prefer the discussion be grounded in the actual median projections on what the Cubs might do in the future, rather than the vague exuberance of a Squidward-like "Fuuuuture" chant.

[davell]

It's way too early for projections, but I'd be extremely surprised if we're not favored to win the division next year.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Kyle doesn't believe we're a favorite to win the division, I REALLY don't understand his lack of desire to add high-end pitching

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Kyle doesn't believe we're a favorite to win the division, I REALLY don't understand his lack of desire to add high-end pitching

 

I don't know if we'll be the plurality favorite or not. Pittsburgh and St. Louis are both pretty good.

 

I do, however, think that adding a depth of pitching improves our chances more than a high-end piece.

[Guest]

imagine adding a 6 win pitcher to this team over haren ads;lkjasd;fljasd;flajs;flkajf;klajdf

[Hairyducked Idiot]

imagine adding a 6 win pitcher to this team over haren ads;lkjasd;fljasd;flajs;flkajf;klajdf

 

I don't trust six-win pitchers to stay six-win pitchers.

[Guest]

imagine adding a 6 win pitcher to this team over haren ads;lkjasd;fljasd;flajs;flkajf;klajdf

 

I don't trust six-win pitchers to stay six-win pitchers.

How about a 6 win pitcher who has not been below a 6 win pitcher for the last 2 years and hasn't been below a 4 win pitcher in 5 years and who is 30 y 1 m old?

[Guest]

I like Price too, but your criteria matches Sabathia and Verlander's careers to that point too, and they both had good seasons(but not 5+ fWAR) at 31 and then fell off drastically. Pitchers are fickle.

[davell]

All right, here's the question for Kyle at this point:(and no idea how he'll answer, but looking forward to it)

 

Now that we're 1/4 in playoff appearances and set up the way we are....Isn't it at least LIKELY that the tanking/rebuild/ The Plan winds up paying better dividends than if we had gone about things more like the White Sox have, in consistently adding incrementally?

 

I'm asking it this way partially because you've already said making it this year helps out a ton for their long term outlook. But also knowing you don't give teams "large windows" as a general rule.(which is a decent argument that unfortunately props up the original stance somewhat). Still, it seems a bit disingenuous, as our competition shouldn't receive that nod either and it kind of seems as if they do, by not giving us any benefit to it, it indirectly gives them what you're not giving us. (Reds/Brewers are lost causes currently)

 

So I guess a true 2nd question is this: Predict how many playoff appearances for the 3 teams over the next 3 seasons.....As admittedly, going past that is not worth discussing....

 

As the guy asking, I'll give mine as well. Cubs-2, Cards-2, and Pirates-1.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

imagine adding a 6 win pitcher to this team over haren ads;lkjasd;fljasd;flajs;flkajf;klajdf

 

I don't trust six-win pitchers to stay six-win pitchers.

How about a 6 win pitcher who has not been below a 6 win pitcher for the last 2 years and hasn't been below a 4 win pitcher in 5 years and who is 30 y 1 m old?

 

Nope, don't trust him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

All right, here's the question for Kyle at this point:(and no idea how he'll answer, but looking forward to it)

 

Now that we're 1/4 in playoff appearances and set up the way we are....Isn't it at least LIKELY that the tanking/rebuild/ The Plan winds up paying better dividends than if we had gone about things more like the White Sox have, in consistently adding incrementally?

 

I'd put it at roughly even odds it balances out or exceeds. Getting there this year helped a ton.

 

So I guess a true 2nd question is this: Predict how many playoff appearances for the 3 teams over the next 3 seasons.....As admittedly, going past that is not worth discussing....

 

As the guy asking, I'll give mine as well. Cubs-2, Cards-2, and Pirates-1.

 

Put me down for 2 across the board.

[Guest]

After 2012, Verlander was just 29 and had finished seasons of 7.7, 6.3, 6.4, 6.8 fWAR. He signed a seven year deal. His results since signing that contract: 4.9, 2.9, 2.5.

 

Just because Price has been a great pitcher in his 20's doesn't mean he will be in his 30's.

[ctcf]

All of this means we should probably get Tyson Ross.

[SouthSideRyan]

All of this means we should probably get Tyson Ross.

 

No, because Brandon Webb became bad and injured. We should just sign 3 mediocrities.

[Guest]

All of this means we should probably get Tyson Ross.

 

No, because Brandon Webb became bad and injured. We should just sign 3 mediocrities.

lol - because those are the only alternatives.

[SouthSideRyan]

All of this means we should probably get Tyson Ross.

 

No, because Brandon Webb became bad and injured. We should just sign 3 mediocrities.

lol - because those are the only alternatives.

 

How is that you expect us to build depth on old painty can Tom's budget while adding multiple pitchers better than the Jason Hammels of the world?

[Sammy Sofa]

All of this means we should probably get Tyson Ross.

 

No, because Brandon Webb became bad and injured. We should just sign 3 mediocrities.

lol - because those are the only alternatives.

 

How is that you expect us to build depth on old painty can Tom's budget while adding multiple pitchers better than the Jason Hammels of the world?

 

I heard PTR will give you a couple of blintzes to paint the new triangle building.

[Guest]

After 2012, Verlander was just 29 and had finished seasons of 7.7, 6.3, 6.4, 6.8 fWAR. He signed a seven year deal. His results since signing that contract: 4.9, 2.9, 2.5.

 

Just because Price has been a great pitcher in his 20's doesn't mean he will be in his 30's.

 

Epstein did say that LHPs in the 9 figure salary bucket have aged better than their RH counterparts. That and I think Verlander will bounce back with a couple more 4 WAR seasons.

 

 

To add to that on the LHP front, I wonder if they don't view it as advantageous to have lefty starters in Wrigley. One of the first things they publicly pointed out when they took over was how Wrigley seemed to favor LH hitters.

 

Not enough of a factor to have anything to do with a big ticket signing like this, but just something that came to mind.

[badger1679666666]

After 2012, Verlander was just 29 and had finished seasons of 7.7, 6.3, 6.4, 6.8 fWAR. He signed a seven year deal. His results since signing that contract: 4.9, 2.9, 2.5.

 

Just because Price has been a great pitcher in his 20's doesn't mean he will be in his 30's.

 

Epstein did say that LHPs in the 9 figure salary bucket have aged better than their RH counterparts. That and I think Verlander will bounce back with a couple more 4 WAR seasons.

 

 

To add to that on the LHP front, I wonder if they don't view it as advantageous to have lefty starters in Wrigley. One of the first things they publicly pointed out when they took over was how Wrigley seemed to favor LH hitters.

 

Not enough of a factor to have anything to do with a big ticket signing like this, but just something that came to mind.

 

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but wouldn't that mean we would want lhp to neutralize LH hitters?

[Guest]

After 2012, Verlander was just 29 and had finished seasons of 7.7, 6.3, 6.4, 6.8 fWAR. He signed a seven year deal. His results since signing that contract: 4.9, 2.9, 2.5.

 

Just because Price has been a great pitcher in his 20's doesn't mean he will be in his 30's.

 

Epstein did say that LHPs in the 9 figure salary bucket have aged better than their RH counterparts. That and I think Verlander will bounce back with a couple more 4 WAR seasons.

 

 

To add to that on the LHP front, I wonder if they don't view it as advantageous to have lefty starters in Wrigley. One of the first things they publicly pointed out when they took over was how Wrigley seemed to favor LH hitters.

 

Not enough of a factor to have anything to do with a big ticket signing like this, but just something that came to mind.

 

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, but wouldn't that mean we would want lhp to neutralize LH hitters?

 

yes

[badger1679666666]

Doh. My brain read disadvantageous. I'm a moron, carry on

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Dunno where to put this but

Dan Haren Cubs version: 4.30 ERA 4.80 fip in 52.1 IP (10 GS)

Scott Kazmir Astros version: 3.91 ERA 4.91 fip in 69 IP (12 GS)

 

Kazmir had another rough outing tonight.

 

I really wanted him at the deadline, too... #-o

[ARCubsFan]

I wouldn't mind signing Kazmir on a cheaper deal this offseason after the TOR signing