Baez and Bryant (and Russell) to Iowa

[RynoRules]

As I said, its about more than just revenue distribution. In any case, the MLBPA is complaining about a provision it agreed to as part of the most recent contract negotiation. The current CBA expires in December 2016. Deal with it then instead of firing up a controversy at the beginning of a new season that has absolutely no chance of creating a positive outcome in the short term.

 

Eh, they "agreed" to it is hardly an argument against them complaining about it. Ownership's job is to exploit the agreement to their financial benefit. Just because you agreed to it doesn't mean you should be okay with however it is implemented. Also, it is standard operating procedure to let it be known what you are unhappy about in advance of negotiations.

 

A few thoughts:

 

- Go ahead and complain, but you only create greater acrimony when it comes time to bargain.

- Just because something is a SOP doesn't mean its a good idea.

- Both sides seek to exploit CBA's and the inevitably vaguely defined terms and concepts contained therein; its not exclusive to management.

[seanimal]

As I said, its about more than just revenue distribution. In any case, the MLBPA is complaining about a provision it agreed to as part of the most recent contract negotiation. The current CBA expires in December 2016. Deal with it then instead of firing up a controversy at the beginning of a new season that has absolutely no chance of creating a positive outcome in the short term.

 

It's not that simple. I'm still not entirely clear on it, but all sides involved seem to be acting as if there's either a CBA provision or a labor law that forbids teams from acting this way for the reasons the Cubs are doing it.

 

It may be a rule that has never been enforced, but it sure seems to be there.

 

i'm unconvinced. it sure looks like 100% posturing to me, even if they do choose to invoke some procedural steps. with seemingly everyone else chiming in, i think the mlbpa felt like they needed to go ham here

[Guest]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

[jersey cubs fan]

As I said, its about more than just revenue distribution. In any case, the MLBPA is complaining about a provision it agreed to as part of the most recent contract negotiation. The current CBA expires in December 2016. Deal with it then instead of firing up a controversy at the beginning of a new season that has absolutely no chance of creating a positive outcome in the short term.

 

Eh, they "agreed" to it is hardly an argument against them complaining about it. Ownership's job is to exploit the agreement to their financial benefit. Just because you agreed to it doesn't mean you should be okay with however it is implemented. Also, it is standard operating procedure to let it be known what you are unhappy about in advance of negotiations.

 

A few thoughts:

 

- Go ahead and complain, but you only create greater acrimony when it comes time to bargain.

- Just because something is a SOP doesn't mean its a good idea.

- Both sides seek to exploit CBA's and the inevitably vaguely defined terms and concepts contained therein; its not exclusive to management.

 

If you weren't a Cubs fan you would not care. The only people taking offense to this "posturing" are Cubs management and Cubs fans.

[RynoRules]

As I said, its about more than just revenue distribution. In any case, the MLBPA is complaining about a provision it agreed to as part of the most recent contract negotiation. The current CBA expires in December 2016. Deal with it then instead of firing up a controversy at the beginning of a new season that has absolutely no chance of creating a positive outcome in the short term.

 

Eh, they "agreed" to it is hardly an argument against them complaining about it. Ownership's job is to exploit the agreement to their financial benefit. Just because you agreed to it doesn't mean you should be okay with however it is implemented. Also, it is standard operating procedure to let it be known what you are unhappy about in advance of negotiations.

 

A few thoughts:

 

- Go ahead and complain, but you only create greater acrimony when it comes time to bargain.

- Just because something is a SOP doesn't mean its a good idea.

- Both sides seek to exploit CBA's and the inevitably vaguely defined terms and concepts contained therein; its not exclusive to management.

 

If you weren't a Cubs fan you would not care. The only people taking offense to this "posturing" are Cubs management and Cubs fans.

 

Might be true of the average Cubs fan, but not this one because of what I do for a living.

[Guest]

[ctcf]

I refuse to believe that's real. Do you know that alleged person?

[Guest]

I refuse to believe that's real. Do you know that alleged person?

 

it's from the cubs facebook account

 

this is him

 

https://www.facebook.com/robert.hitchsr?fref=ufi

[jersey cubs fan]

leave him alone

[ctcf]

Someone friend him and get him to come on here. He could be the board's angry grandpa. It would be great.

[sontensei]

Someone friend him and get him to come on here. He could be the board's angry grandpa. It would be great.

 

lmao

[jersey cubs fan]

fred will get jealous

[Banedon]

fred will get jealous

 

As long as we keep the new grandpa out of game threads, the two will never meet.

[Guest]

OBAMA!

[jersey cubs fan]

OBAMA!

ok

[SouthSideRyan]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

 

That's 100% false. Service time is based on time spent in the majors. Whether Bryant signed the day of the draft or when he did is immaterial, he was being held down regardless so the Cubs could own his rights in 2021.

[Brian]

Jake Arrieta with the best non-Theo reaction so far

 

Jake Arrieta @JArrieta34 · 13m 13 minutes ago

@KrisBryant_23 a cog in a large machine, an instrumental part of our success as an org. This man WILL be 1 of the best players in the game.

 

Jake Arrieta @JArrieta34 · 13m 13 minutes ago

@KrisBryant_23 stay the course.. WE WILL have a spot waiting. @Cubs

[Deeg]

All this must just be doing wonders for Mike Olt's ego...

[TruffleShuffle]

 

wow that is a new low for Vinestal.

[Sammy Sofa]

All this must just be doing wonders for Mike Olt's ego...

 

He knows he's sucked.

[Guest]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

 

That's 100% false. Service time is based on time spent in the majors. Whether Bryant signed the day of the draft or when he did is immaterial, he was being held down regardless so the Cubs could own his rights in 2021.

 

My confusion stems from players seemingly having different dates to be called up to the majors. I don't recall many players only having to be held out for 2 weeks. I mostly recall players having to wait until May. Maybe those players got called up in September of the previous year, while Bryant did not?

[Guest]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

 

That's 100% false. Service time is based on time spent in the majors. Whether Bryant signed the day of the draft or when he did is immaterial, he was being held down regardless so the Cubs could own his rights in 2021.

 

My confusion stems from players seemingly having different dates to be called up to the majors. I don't recall many players only having to be held out for 2 weeks. I mostly recall players having to wait until May. Maybe those players got called up in September of the previous year, while Bryant did not?

 

Maybe, or maybe whoever you're thinking of was held back longer for plausible deniability.

 

The amount of days that make a year of service time are the same for everybody, though.

[SouthSideRyan]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

 

That's 100% false. Service time is based on time spent in the majors. Whether Bryant signed the day of the draft or when he did is immaterial, he was being held down regardless so the Cubs could own his rights in 2021.

 

My confusion stems from players seemingly having different dates to be called up to the majors. I don't recall many players only having to be held out for 2 weeks. I mostly recall players having to wait until May. Maybe those players got called up in September of the previous year, while Bryant did not?

 

In addition to that, there are guys who are held down til May-June in an attempt to avoid Super 2, which allows you to only have arbitration for 3 years. Bryant(assuming he is called up in late April will have 3 years auto-renewal and 4 years of arbitration. If held down til June, he'd have 4 years auto-renewal, 3 years of arbitration.

 

ETA: Kerry Wood is the only Cub example I can think of held down for an extra year, and he made his debut on the 13th day of the season.

[KingCubsFan]

I read somewhere that Bryant and Boras holding out when they drafted him had something to do with the timing of his service time, which I don't necessarily believe is true, but wondered if there was anything to it.

 

That's 100% false. Service time is based on time spent in the majors. Whether Bryant signed the day of the draft or when he did is immaterial, he was being held down regardless so the Cubs could own his rights in 2021.

 

My confusion stems from players seemingly having different dates to be called up to the majors. I don't recall many players only having to be held out for 2 weeks. I mostly recall players having to wait until May. Maybe those players got called up in September of the previous year, while Bryant did not?

 

In addition to that, there are guys who are held down til May-June in an attempt to avoid Super 2, which allows you to only have arbitration for 3 years. Bryant(assuming he is called up in late April will have 3 years auto-renewal and 4 years of arbitration. If held down til June, he'd have 4 years auto-renewal, 3 years of arbitration.

 

ETA: Kerry Wood is the only Cub example I can think of held down for an extra year, and he made his debut on the 13th day of the season.

I feel like it gets ignored more with pitchers. The White Sox are doing the same thing to Rodon, and the media has barely noticed.

[UMFan83]

lmao

 

Take this with as many grains of salt as you take any kind of predictions this time of year: PredictionMachine.com has calculated that by sending down uber prospect Kris Bryant, the Chicago Cubs have hurt their playoff chances by 7.5 percent.

 

In the case of Bryant — who was demoted Monday, mostly because putting him in the minors to start the season will push back his free agency a year — The Predictalator says the Cubs have made a mistake that will cost them 1.4 wins this season. It lowers their playoff chances from 53.2 percent to 45.7 percent.

 

He's worth 1.4 wins (assuming Olt is only replacement level) in 2 weeks of playing time?