2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[jersey cubs fan]

I think if you go the Toub route, he has to bring in guys like Morningwheg and Marinelli.

forgive me in advance, but i'll laugh for days if those are your two coordinators

I thought about you after i wrote it.

 

Spurned fans of failed head coaches often laugh at people for hiring them as coordinators. It's kind of a dumb mindset to take.

[Guest]

I think if you go the Toub route, he has to bring in guys like Morningwheg and Marinelli.

forgive me in advance, but i'll laugh for days if those are your two coordinators

I don't understand your disdain for Rod Marinelli the DC.

[jersey cubs fan]

It isn't. On the other hand I think ST coaches end up being the most vetted of candidates because no one is jumping out of their seat to hire a flash in the pan ST coach. On offense and defense the hot coordinators are often guys who have been doing it successfully for a very short time. As a ST guy you have to prove yourself over and over before people even consider giving you a chance.

 

So while you look around and see the relative success of ST coaches I'm not sure it's because they're somehow more qualified but just that they're ultimate survivors.

 

As an aside, I believe Toub's early coaching was as a defensive guy.

[Guest]

I think if you go the Toub route, he has to bring in guys like Morningwheg and Marinelli.

forgive me in advance, but i'll laugh for days if those are your two coordinators

I thought about you after i wrote it.

 

Spurned fans of failed head coaches often laugh at people for hiring them as coordinators. It's kind of a dumb mindset to take.

 

It's pretty silly after Marinelli's success as DC in Chicago and Dallas after his time in Detroit.

[Guest]

Assuming they go with Toub, I'd be interested in Childress as OC. How about Fangio (assuming no HC job comes his way) or Steve Spagnuolo as DC?

 

I've liked Fangio all the way back to his Stanford days. He's a 3-4 guy, though.

The move to a 3-4 isnt as difficult as people make it seem. I don't understand why all teams dont sign or draft a beefaroni butt nose tackle and then mix up the scheme from time to time lime the seahawks do. I mean, its not like you cant put mr beefaroni butt next to a traditional 3-technique when you want to go 4-3.

 

Christian Jones would be a perfect rush LB. Paea, Ferguson, and Sutton could all play the nose in certain looks.

[Guest]

Assuming they go with Toub, I'd be interested in Childress as OC. How about Fangio (assuming no HC job comes his way) or Steve Spagnuolo as DC?

 

I've liked Fangio all the way back to his Stanford days. He's a 3-4 guy, though.

The move to a 3-4 isnt as difficult as people make it seem. I don't understand why all teams dont sign or draft a beefaroni butt nose tackle and then mix up the scheme from time to time lime the seahawks do.

 

Christian Jones would be a perfect rush LB. Paea, Ferguson, and Sutton could all play there in certain looks.

Because there aren't that many good NT available?

 

Better solution- run a Wade Phillips 3-4 which can use a 300 pound Ratliff or a fatty if he has one.

[rawaction]

 

Christian Jones would be a perfect rush LB. Paea, Ferguson, and Sutton could all play the nose in certain looks.

 

Christian Jones played DE at FSU his senior year (after playing MLB and WLB), and his impact went down. I think he could be a rush LB in a 3-4, but "perfect" is far from accurate.

[Guest]

 

Christian Jones would be a perfect rush LB. Paea, Ferguson, and Sutton could all play the nose in certain looks.

 

Christian Jones played DE at FSU his senior year (after playing MLB and WLB), and his impact went down. I think he could be a rush LB in a 3-4, but "perfect" is far from accurate.

I think he makes sense as the SAM outside backer, in either scheme. He's athletic enough the blitz but isn't your every down pass rusher.

[RynoRules]

Draft Randy Gregory, cut Jared Allen, and move to the 3-4.

[Guest]

Draft Randy Gregory, cut Jared Allen, and move to the 3-4.

Cutting JA saves zero cap money.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I don't know what his PFF grades were but Allen seemed to be a lot better the last handful of games of the year.

 

Also yes plz to Shannahan.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know what his PFF grades were but Allen seemed to be a lot better the last handful of games of the year.

 

Also yes plz to Shannahan.

 

He was at his worst when he had pneumonia and got better as he recovered.

[rawaction]

 

Christian Jones would be a perfect rush LB. Paea, Ferguson, and Sutton could all play the nose in certain looks.

 

Christian Jones played DE at FSU his senior year (after playing MLB and WLB), and his impact went down. I think he could be a rush LB in a 3-4, but "perfect" is far from accurate.

I think he makes sense as the SAM outside backer, in either scheme. He's athletic enough the blitz but isn't your every down pass rusher.

 

Yeah, that's basically what I meant. But I'd rather have him inside in a 3-4. He can certainly blitz from there. He's basically a clone of his Seminole predecessor, Lawrence Timmons.

[Guest]

I don't know what his PFF grades were but Allen seemed to be a lot better the last handful of games of the year.

 

Also yes plz to Shannahan.

 

He was at his worst when he had pneumonia and got better as he recovered.

Yea I think that definitely had an effect.

 

The absolute earliest I'd part with him would be the 53 man roster cuts which would mean he was legitimately beat out by at least a few pass rushers.

[rawaction]

I don't know what his PFF grades were but Allen seemed to be a lot better the last handful of games of the year.

 

Also yes plz to Shannahan.

 

He was at his worst when he had pneumonia and got better as he recovered.

 

Yeah, I thought Allen was fine the from about the time Houston went out to the end of the season when Young went out. I wouldn't cut him, just make sure he doesn't get more than 60% of the snaps.

[rawaction]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

[UMFan83]

I don't know what his PFF grades were but Allen seemed to be a lot better the last handful of games of the year.

 

Also yes plz to Shannahan.

 

He was at his worst when he had pneumonia and got better as he recovered.

 

Yeah, I thought Allen was fine the from about the time Houston went out to the end of the season when Young went out. I wouldn't cut him, just make sure he doesn't get more than 60% of the snaps.

 

He was fine but I think people don't notice that because they expect Jared Allen the game changing sack machine, but those days have probably passed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

 

What is wrong with Mike Shanahan?

 

People say he did nothing without Elway, but most of his time in Denver was without Elway. The Broncos were barely average in the years before he got there. He won 11 games with Brian Griese and 10+ three years in a row with Jake Plummer (including one 13 win season). He got a pro bowl season out of Cutler and Washington's only playoff appearance in a decade.

 

 

He's not going to be your coach for the next 10 years, but I think you can do a lot worse than him. And we're basically looking for an unknown guy to match what he has done.

[apete6]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

 

What is wrong with Mike Shanahan?

 

People say he did nothing without Elway, but most of his time in Denver was without Elway. The Broncos were barely average in the years before he got there. He won 11 games with Brian Griese and 10+ three years in a row with Jake Plummer (including one 13 win season). He got a pro bowl season out of Cutler and Washington's only playoff appearance in a decade.

 

 

He's not going to be your coach for the next 10 years, but I think you can do a lot worse than him. And we're basically looking for an unknown guy to match what he has done.

 

He's not awful, but not great either. I would be fine with the hire. He's a professional guy who won't have most of the locker room shenanigans that Trestman allowed. At the worst, he's your coach the next 2 years and if he can't get anything done with Cutler, they are both gone and you start over without both of them.

 

For reference, Shanahan without Elway is 123-121 and 1-5 in the playoffs.

 

Lovie Smith as a Bear was 81-63 and 3-3 in the playoffs. Still can't believe the McCaskeys let Emery fire him (even though I can't say it wasn't the right time to move on).

[mul21]

Having seen Spagnuolo's effort in STL up close and how meh his defenses have been since he left NY, I'm not interested in him at all. I think it may have just been the perfect storm for him with essentially 4 all pro defensive linemen at his disposal while he was there.

[rawaction]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

 

What is wrong with Mike Shanahan?

 

People say he did nothing without Elway, but most of his time in Denver was without Elway. The Broncos were barely average in the years before he got there. He won 11 games with Brian Griese and 10+ three years in a row with Jake Plummer (including one 13 win season). He got a pro bowl season out of Cutler and Washington's only playoff appearance in a decade.

 

 

He's not going to be your coach for the next 10 years, but I think you can do a lot worse than him. And we're basically looking for an unknown guy to match what he has done.

 

He's not awful, but not great either. I would be fine with the hire. He's a professional guy who won't have most of the locker room shenanigans that Trestman allowed. At the worst, he's your coach the next 2 years and if he can't get anything done with Cutler, they are both gone and you start over without both of them.

 

For reference, Shanahan without Elway is 123-121 and 1-5 in the playoffs.

 

Lovie Smith as a Bear was 81-63 and 3-3 in the playoffs. Still can't believe the McCaskeys let Emery fire him (even though I can't say it wasn't the right time to move on).

 

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

Shanahan may be perceived as best for Cutler, but that may only be a side story. I think Shanahan might be the best option for the Bears to win in the next 4 years. And I don't give a [expletive] about who the coach is going to be 8 years from now. Shanahan's kid will not be the next coach unless they win a hell of a lot over the next few years, and quite frankly, that's quite a nice problem to have.

 

Kyle also already has a job and would not necessarily ever be employed by the Bears.

[Guest]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

 

What is wrong with Mike Shanahan?

 

People say he did nothing without Elway, but most of his time in Denver was without Elway. The Broncos were barely average in the years before he got there. He won 11 games with Brian Griese and 10+ three years in a row with Jake Plummer (including one 13 win season). He got a pro bowl season out of Cutler and Washington's only playoff appearance in a decade.

 

 

He's not going to be your coach for the next 10 years, but I think you can do a lot worse than him. And we're basically looking for an unknown guy to match what he has done.

 

He's not awful, but not great either. I would be fine with the hire. He's a professional guy who won't have most of the locker room shenanigans that Trestman allowed. At the worst, he's your coach the next 2 years and if he can't get anything done with Cutler, they are both gone and you start over without both of them.

 

For reference, Shanahan without Elway is 123-121 and 1-5 in the playoffs.

 

Lovie Smith as a Bear was 81-63 and 3-3 in the playoffs. Still can't believe the McCaskeys let Emery fire him (even though I can't say it wasn't the right time to move on).

 

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

I actually think Shannahan would be good for any QB. I can't think of a QB who didn't have his best results under Shanny. Kubiak who came from the same scheme has also gotten the same type of results. Recycle late round RBs and maximize big armed QBs, or really any QB. I like that formula.

 

I do worry Shanny would be too short term though. Kubiak would be better, but may not take the interview. For that sake, everyone should cheer for the Pats this weekend.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Oh and F Shanahan. Don't understand why the interest.

 

What is wrong with Mike Shanahan?

 

People say he did nothing without Elway, but most of his time in Denver was without Elway. The Broncos were barely average in the years before he got there. He won 11 games with Brian Griese and 10+ three years in a row with Jake Plummer (including one 13 win season). He got a pro bowl season out of Cutler and Washington's only playoff appearance in a decade.

 

 

He's not going to be your coach for the next 10 years, but I think you can do a lot worse than him. And we're basically looking for an unknown guy to match what he has done.

 

He's not awful, but not great either. I would be fine with the hire. He's a professional guy who won't have most of the locker room shenanigans that Trestman allowed. At the worst, he's your coach the next 2 years and if he can't get anything done with Cutler, they are both gone and you start over without both of them.

 

For reference, Shanahan without Elway is 123-121 and 1-5 in the playoffs.

 

Lovie Smith as a Bear was 81-63 and 3-3 in the playoffs. Still can't believe the McCaskeys let Emery fire him (even though I can't say it wasn't the right time to move on).

 

I think at best, he's the coach for 2-4 years. I don't want a coach that's potentially only going to be around for 2 years. And the best chance at continuity to the next coach is his A-hole son.

 

I also think the Bears need to stop catering to Cutler and get the best possible coach for the team and its future. I know people have hope that Cutler is going to turn it around and put the team on his back to multiple playoff appearances and contending seasons, but the Bears should be planning as if that isn't going to happen, because it likely isn't, especially since he might not even be on the team next year. And if he is, he'll have to be really good to be on the team after 2015.

 

That's the argument for trading Cutler now and moving on, I think. If you view the new coach as the next long term direction, and Cutler has his own shelf life, why not start over entirely ASAP?

[UMFan83]

Shanahan is younger than I thought...since he's been around so long I assumed he was nearing 70. He will be 63 before the start of 2015. That's still too old...even if he's successful 4 years seems about right.