2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[jersey cubs fan]

So, having a great D would suck?

 

Relying on that D to win games would suck.

Yes. Buying into the whole defense and running game and bring back Kyle Orton for game manager frightens me because the meatballs dont know what that means.

 

I think we have enough young talent on O to not worry about that

 

The mid-2000s Bears had a heck of a lot of talent on offense.

[Guest]

So, having a great D would suck?

 

Relying on that D to win games would suck.

 

I don't think you have to do that. In Cutler, Jeffery, Forte, Bennett you have a 1-4 talent punch that should have an offense in the top third. And yes, I think we trade Marshall for picks. I'd even be open to trading Cutler for a 3rd and Mettenberger given the impetus for rebuilding. Then, you draft Fortes replacement, Oline, and a slew of D studs

 

Or, is there a market for Forte?

 

I'd look to trade Forte but no idea if there is a market.

 

Also, by the time you build up an elite defense that offensive core is done and/or gone.

 

Forte is a free agent after this offseason, which might limit his trade market.

[Guest]

RB on wrong side of thirty in a contract year at 8M cost. Yea I'd be very surprised if there was a trade market.

[Guest]

@Schottey: The Giants roster is an absolute mess right now and Marc Ross has been a chief architect.

[jersey cubs fan]

@Schottey: The Giants roster is an absolute mess right now and Marc Ross has been a chief architect.

This is my thought.

 

 

The Giants are really a mess.

[Guest]

So Ross is more to blame than the guy above him?

[Banedon]

@Schottey: The Giants roster is an absolute mess right now and Marc Ross has been a chief architect.

 

That guy's timeline isn't full of positivity.

[jersey cubs fan]

So Ross is more to blame than the guy above him?

 

He's been the draft guy and my understanding is the Giants draft sucked for a few years.

[Guest]

So Ross is more to blame than the guy above him?

 

He's been the draft guy and my understanding is the Giants draft sucked for a few years.

Yea - he hasn't done much to improve his stock since he was last a candidate, but to call him the "chief architect" is what interests me. Is he really the primary decision maker? Who's calling the shots.

 

As far as their drafts- it's a mixed bag lately- and dropped off from several years ago - though Ross added responsibilities since that time and I would think is less draft focused than before (when he was Dir of college scouting), but it's kind of hard to tell from 30,000 feet

[minnesotacubsfan]

So, having a great D would suck?

 

Relying on that D to win games would suck.

Yes. Buying into the whole defense and running game and bring back Kyle Orton for game manager frightens me because the meatballs dont know what that means.

 

I think we have enough young talent on O to not worry about that

 

The mid-2000s Bears had a heck of a lot of talent on offense.

 

And [expletive] off coaches. We don't need Lovie, a guy who totally ignores offense, but a defensive HC who is willing to work with a good offensive mind at OC, like Bellichick would do

[Guest]

10-1 odds the meatballs being referred to don't even know that Bellicheck is a defensive coach and wouldn't want the Patriots model cuz it's not "the Bears way"

[RynoRules]

I doubt that Phillips and Accorsi will be taking the meatball approach. The only team I can think of that wins in that manner is Seattle, though I suppose you could make an argument for New England's 4-headed RB monster approach as well.

[minnesotacubsfan]

10-1 odds the meatballs being referred to don't even know that Bellicheck is a defensive coach and wouldn't want the Patriots model cuz it's not "the Bears way"

 

 

Good thing I'm not a meatball

[Guest]

I doubt that Phillips and Accorsi will be taking the meatball approach. The only team I can think of that wins in that manner is Seattle, though I suppose you could make an argument for New England's 4-headed RB monster approach as well.

I'm having trouble using copy and paste on Tapatalk, but I read what was supposedly Accorsis scouting report on Eli Manning. It was pretty meatbally including saying what set him apart was his right and left testicle. I'm a little worried about Accorsis meatballiness but that may not come out fully in this setting.

[UMFan83]

Apparently in Trestman's book, he has a glowing endorsement from.....................................................................................Ernie Accorsi

[jersey cubs fan]

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell 49s49 seconds ago

Marc Ross. #Bears MT @RVacchianoNYDN: Giants GM Jerry Reese said no teams have called requesting interviews for anybody on his staff yet.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Apparently in Trestman's book, he has a glowing endorsement from.....................................................................................Ernie Accorsi

 

 

I am right not to trust this [expletive]

[Soul]

On the Marinelli/Arians thing: Arians came out earlier this year and said the Bears were telling him he had to keep certain coaches. It was one of the reasons he walked away.

 

My immediate assumption was Marinelli, although obviously I didn't have anything to prove that. But there was no reason for Arians to lie about it. No reason for him to even talk about it actually.

[RynoRules]

Everyone had nice things to say about Trestman when he was hired, largely in the context of his days as an offensive coordinator and QB coach. Manning gets a bum rap, IMO. His worst seasons tend to correspond with horrific injuries to his best weapons / o-line and/or a terrible o-line to begin with. He's not Peyton, but he's not Jeff George either.

 

Accorsi was also responsible for drafting Osi Umenyiora, Chris Snee, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, and Brandon Jacobs, as well as signing Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Plaxico Burress, and Fred Robbins as free agents.

 

EDIT: I'd take Manning's career over Phil Rivers', which was the other option at that time. Hating on Eli is the meatball thing to do in NY. Their defense is a mess, their o-line sucks, and they just switched o-coordinators after years of the very blah Kevin Gilbride.

Edited December 30, 2014 by RynoRules

[Soul]

Apparently in Trestman's book, he has a glowing endorsement from.....................................................................................Ernie Accorsi

 

 

I am right not to trust this [expletive]

 

I'll say this, you have a strong opinion on him :)

 

I can't disagree because the Bears consistently bork up their hirings.

[Banedon]

@AlbertBreer

 

Baltimore's Eric DeCosta drawing big NFL interest. Jets asking again, after a hard run in '13. Bears unlikely as long as Phillips is there.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

@AlbertBreer

 

Baltimore's Eric DeCosta drawing big NFL interest. Jets asking again, after a hard run in '13. Bears unlikely as long as Phillips is there.

Well lets fix that. Jesus, even when philips isn't allowed to screw things up, he will screw them up.

[Guest]

@AlbertBreer

 

Baltimore's Eric DeCosta drawing big NFL interest. Jets asking again, after a hard run in '13. Bears unlikely as long as Phillips is there.

Is this some hurt feeling [expletive] because he turned us down last time?

 

Dumb.

[Soul]

@AlbertBreer

 

Baltimore's Eric DeCosta drawing big NFL interest. Jets asking again, after a hard run in '13. Bears unlikely as long as Phillips is there.

Is this some hurt feeling [expletive] because he turned us down last time?

 

Dumb.

 

The other way around, more likely. DeCosta doesn't want to work for a [expletive].

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

@AlbertBreer

 

Baltimore's Eric DeCosta drawing big NFL interest. Jets asking again, after a hard run in '13. Bears unlikely as long as Phillips is there.

Is this some hurt feeling [expletive] because he turned us down last time?

 

Dumb.

 

The other way around, more likely. DeCosta doesn't want to work for a [expletive].

yeah, this was from a tribune article 3 years ago:

The source said DeCosta was interested in the Bears because of the team's tradition and his love of Chicago. And he was not turned off by coach Lovie Smith already being in place.

 

There were some concerns about the structure of the organization, however, and the team's budgetary reputation.